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I didn't want to state this either but supas character the way he described it is very similar to how Wikipedia describes it or the wiki or whatever and when I look at my character it has a description very similar to the wiki. I would think that if he was fake claiming the impulse is to not make it sound like the wiki, he wouldn't necessarily have knowledge that other characters are written close to the wiki description. 


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Not supa but the guy we were just pressuring prior to bullish
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Moozer that's he namet
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Have yall noticed that Bullish character claimed without any pressure last game (assuming I’m remembering correctly). But he hasn’t here yet still advocating for character claims from people. Talk about hypocrisy 
That's cause last game my char - role had little relation. This game it's super obvious. 

I'm Vin Makazian. You can guess what that is.
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I mean if this is a game of good guys vs bad guys it appears you're on the wrong side of the law
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Your not a wise guy. You ait. Part of the family you're a pig
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@Bullish
Mafia is NOT a game where "The best bet is to just not play at all"!!! If town doesn't play, then the mafia controls every action in the game. The best bet is actually to play as often as possible. 

Pushing for claims is literally how we get behaviour. Otherwise the game would just be everyone says they're town then we random lynch.
Way to completely misunderstand my point. I'm not saying we shouldn't ever push for claims. What I am saying is that pushes have to be based on actual behavioral reads and deductive reasoning (PoE). If you just push someone out the gate because they're not good at playing scum, that's no better than just picking someone at random to claim. I hope we can at least agree that that's a terrible strategy.

I said that the best bet is to not play at all in reference to real life casino games specifically. They WILL always win in the long run. I realized this myself when I was younger and would play simulated Blackjack (no real money involved). Even when I played the mathematically best way, my money would still slowly dwindle. Casinos get you addicted to losing money, which is why running one is the most immoral way you can legally make money in this country. This is one of my strongest opinions, fight me on it.

Anyway, the point is that it's a losing strategy, and that's why it's a bad meta. Acting like I'm saying that the town should just lollygag and do nothing is either an indication of poor reading comprehension or a deliberate misrepresentation of my argument. 
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I disagree with every point you're making. How are you supposed to get real behaviour if you don't pressure. Twiddling thumbs is not a readable behaviour. Picking someone at random is not a terrible strategy, neither is picking someone based on their past behaviour. Those are classic opening strategies. 

Also gambling is cool.
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I didn't want to state this either but supas character the way he described it is very similar to how Wikipedia describes it or the wiki or whatever and when I look at my character it has a description very similar to the wiki. I would think that if he was fake claiming the impulse is to not make it sound like the wiki, he wouldn't necessarily have knowledge that other characters are written close to the wiki description. 
This is actually a really interesting point. My character is also described in a way which is pretty similar to how Wikipedia describes him. However, I do think it's important to consider the possibility that the same thing applies to the mafia characters. 

I have some more thoughts on Moozer, but right now I'd like to ask everyone: if Moozer is scum, who do you think the partner is? 
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That's cause last game my char - role had little relation. This game it's super obvious. 

I'm Vin Makazian. You can guess what that is.
Which is what we told you 5 times. Characters can reveal information about role and yet you were still adamant about it. Why?
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I don't know what the hell you're asking. Adamant about what? I claimed last game with no pressure and then claimed this game only with pressure. Not adamant on anything.
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@Bullish
I don't know what the hell you're asking. Adamant about what? I claimed last game with no pressure and then claimed this game only with pressure. Not adamant on anything.
We’ve told you that mass claiming reveals information. Anyways, I’m satisfied with your claim. We can move on
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VTL Whiteflame
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@ILikePie5
Yeah I seem to recall I dropped the request for mass claims pretty quick last game.
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Forgot to tag. Who do you want to lynch at this very moment and why?
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@Bullish
How are you supposed to get real behaviour if you don't pressure. Twiddling thumbs is not a readable behaviour.
There's plenty of ways to generate discussion that don't involve pushing people for claims completely at random. Thematic discussion, for one thing. I know that on Mafia Universe, lots of games have Anticlaim mechanics which punish character claiming, and statistically speaking, the town still wins more often than not. If you only know one way to play as town, maybe you just need to improve your game. 
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Since you're both online, I'd like both of you to answer the question I asked in #219. 
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This isn't mafia universe. Pressure is the only way to get genuine behaviour.
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I have some more thoughts on Moozer, but right now I'd like to ask everyone: if Moozer is scum, who do you think the partner is? 
I don’t think he is right now. But hypothetically speaking, I could see a WF/Moozer team just based on the tightness of the claim and justification. Definitely someone experienced for sure.
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Have yall noticed that Bullish character claimed without any pressure last game (assuming I’m remembering correctly). But he hasn’t here yet still advocating for character claims from people. Talk about hypocrisy 
To me it sounds like hes softing a pr, which is what I am assuming is the difference. He was a roleblocker in the last game
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There's plenty of ways to generate discussion that don't involve pushing people for claims completely at random. Thematic discussion, for one thing. I know that on Mafia Universe, lots of games have Anticlaim mechanics which punish character claiming, and statistically speaking, the town still wins more often than not. If you only know one way to play as town, maybe you just need to improve your game. 
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Idk who's moozer's partner. Not a lot of interactions. That2, wylted maybe, though the interactions are weak. Probably not me though, and I'm trying to say this as objectively as possible.
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What are your thoughts on Whiteflame 
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What are your thoughts on Whiteflame 
He was null for me in my last read list, I am generally always a bit weary of him. He did say he doesn't have as much interest in this theme based on lack of knowledge and explained thats why hes been a bit inactive. But idk, whiteflames scum play isn't usually based around inactivity, I expect him to put an effort in as scum usually so its just null to me. 
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I always used to scum read whiteflame, cause the way he updates us on his personal life always reads like an excuse for inactivity. And I don't think I recall him ever initiating a push someone early game, he just plays it too safe. It used to rub me the wrong way every game, but I've learned that's just his meta. Seems null townish to me this game. I was just scum with him a few games ago, and tbf he doesn't deviate from this meta much on the scum side.
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You know what something I noticed about whiteflame tho when I was scum with him: 

he would always get on and make a most if I messaged him in discord. It just so happens that if I message him in discord, I also happen to usually post in the thread. So if whiteflame is scum buddies with someone, they're likely to make posts at around the same time.
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Prolly shoulda kept that to myself lol.
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[2/5] Bullish - (That2, Wylted)
[1/5] Moozer - (Bullish)
[1/5] Whiteflame - (Pie)


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What are your thoughts on Whiteflame 
Not sure yet. I'll have to reread the DP when I get home, but nothing about any of his posts stand out to me so far, for good or for bad.