The Sopranos Mafia DP1

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Wikipedia says he rises in the ranks and was about to be boss if Tony died or was arrested. 

My theory of maybe made men vs everyone else can't be right. We have two claimed females which I doubt would be go to fake claims of both scum . 

The made men theory in my head must be wrong
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Upon further investigation, the vanilla role makes less sense admittedly. Maybe Vader's basing roles off of earlier in the show rather than the whole thing.
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Let me invite to ease the pressure

I think the character is real. It's not a fake claim and I think I picked up on something I can't say aloud now that would make picking up fake claims easy if we can get more character claims dp1
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Vader typically puts one or two vanillas in a game but I think it's one often enough where if another person claims vanilla a we can safely lynch Moozer

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[1/5] whiteflame- (Pie)
[1/5] Casey - (Bullish)
[3/5] Moozer (Pie, Luna, whiteflame)
[1/5] Bullish - (That2

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I think Moozer might be a good lynch if we can't find anyone better. I don't know anything about Moozer's character, so I'll let someone else jump in and analyze his claim.
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What in the hell are you doing. You haven't placed a single vote after the first 5 minutes of the DP. Do you not have any thoughts on what you see?
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My shift at work is about to start. I'll say more later. For now, I'm not crazy about Moozer's Vanilla claim tbh. I don't necessarily want to lynch him right now, but he's a fine option if we don't have anything better by the end of the day. After all, if he is town, we only lose a Vanilla. 
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VTL Bullish
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I can help now. 

Vtl bullish
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Yeah, I'm not comfortable with the Vanilla claim, either, especially given that Moozer had to be brought to L-1 to give it. I'm good with leaving things here for now, but he's moved into a slight scum read for me, even if his responses don't come off as too defensive. 

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I believe Bullish is at 3 votes, so I'll leave it here for now.
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[1/5] Casey - (Bullish)
[1/5] Moozer (Luna)
[3/5] Bullish - (That2, Wylted, Pie)


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Okay so on moozers character, I read the whole wiki on him. I guess he starts off kind of the way moozer describes? But that doesn’t really summarize the whole character. In fact he doesn’t stay meek and mild mannered long, he grows into a kind of ruthless henchman and even tries convincing Tony to go against his friend Hesh who is close to Tony is s1. And he actually gets in a drunken fight with Tony and beats the ever living shit out of him. He develops into one of Tony’s best ranked soldiers and definitely becomes more ruthless after his first hit happens.

That said I do think supa would give out at least one vanilla claim in his game based on researching previous supa games. At the moment I am dubious that he is actually vanilla but if we hear a second vanilla claim I will really doubt it. If he is town and lying I hope he has a good reason.
Ultimately I don’t think he’s vanilla based in what I read but this is supas game so maybe he sees the character differently?

Considering Bobby inherits and becomes the underboss I’d see him getting a bigger role, or maybe a role that develops into something else bigger later. Anyways that’s my two cents but moozer has claimed so I guess we can move on from him for now.

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@Casey_Risk
It is a bad meta, and let me explain why. Any time you pressure someone for a claim, you're taking the risk that the potential benefit outweighs the potential harm. Knowing who people are helps the mafia out a lot, especially if someone claims their role in addition to their character, and at the start of every game, every single player has the same chance of being mafia, so if you immediately single out a single player for being bad at fakeclaiming before you've even had a chance to get an actual read on them, you're trying to get a claim out of someone who is most likely town, just based on statistics. You're not doing risk/benefit analysis there, you're just taking a blind risk and hoping it pays off. You might get lucky one game, but on average, that strategy is always going to help the mafia more than the town. It's like a casino game -- the players can win, and sometimes they can even win big, but the house will always win in the long term. The best bet is to just not play at all.

Now, obviously once you've actually seen someone's behavior, that changes things, but you have to get actual reads before trying to push someone for a claim. Not following this rule is just reckless imo.
I can already tell casey is going to me my mafia theory nemesis. 

Mafia is NOT a game where "The best bet is to just not play at all"!!! If town doesn't play, then the mafia controls every action in the game. The best bet is actually to play as often as possible. 

Pushing for claims is literally how we get behaviour. Otherwise the game would just be everyone says they're town then we random lynch.
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If Casey is town, Casey is definitely not the weakest link. A town Earth, Moozer, or That2 would be far weaker
I was talking about specifically out of the people who voted me over wylted last game. I also already said why I don't want to push that2 or earth. Moozer is idk.
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[3/5] Bullish - (That2, Wylted, Pie)


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I usually don't town read wylted but I actually do here for some reason.
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Why the fuck are yall even voting me. No call to action from that2's vote, none from pie's vote, none from wylted's vote.
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I will only claim at L-1, and I actually have a good reason to unlike moozer. 

I don't wanna lynch myself so I'm gonna vote moozer

VTL Moozer
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@Bullish
Why the fuck are yall even voting me.
You were the one who said we should be playing the game. Not that I support going after you. The choices of people to pressure this game have been mostly random from what I can see. That's why I didn't want to claim until L-1, if three people can randomly choose someone to pressure, that sets a precedent I don't want to see continued.
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@Bullish
Give you reason. The scum pool is narrowing so our roles are becoming less important as are our characters but my feelings on him weren't good so I would prefer to pursue him the only issue is he claimed someone who is probably in the game and vanilla and nobody has CCed vanilla and supa uses vanillas in his game probably more than any other mod. I do think theoretically 2 vanillas could exist but I'd still lynch with a CC based on other factors
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@Moozer325
You were the one who said we should be playing the game. 
You miss my point. They just voted me without any call to action. Yall want reads? a character claim? role claim? to die? 
Not that I support going after you. 
Maybe you should, considering you're also a good lynch choice
if three people can randomly choose someone to pressure, that sets a precedent I don't want to see continued.
That's a precedent that's already been set, and is good for the game, and I will continue to semi-random vote people with gusto in future games.
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@Bullish
Maybe you should, considering you're also a good lynch choice
Yeah, I've hear that one a lot in mafia

That's a precedent that's already been set, and is good for the game, and I will continue to semi-random vote people with gusto in future games.
That's your way of playing the game, I like to be a little more deliberate
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I went back 5 of Vader's games. The games had 2 vanilla, 1 vanilla, 0 vanilla, 0 vanilla, and 2 vanilla. 

Vanilla is a "safe" claim in 4/5 of those games. It's def not a role claim that makes sense to CC.
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Its the only reason I am giving moozer a pass, because its a supa meta, but the character justification only really fits for early in the show and ignores a ton of character development. 
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@Bullish
Why the fuck are yall even voting me. No call to action from that2's vote, none from pie's vote, none from wylted's vote.
For a full claim. You’re calling on people to claim but you haven’t done so yourself.
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@Lunatic
It’s the only reason I am giving moozer a pass, because its a supa meta, but the character justification only really fits for early in the show and ignores a ton of character development. 
Have yall noticed that Bullish character claimed without any pressure last game (assuming I’m remembering correctly). But he hasn’t here yet still advocating for character claims from people. Talk about hypocrisy