How do trans people feel about terms that distinguish sex?

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So, if you are different, you have an obligation to make sure that people who have nothing to do with it are "satisfied"?

So, if you think differently, you should not expect everyone else to unquestioningly think the same.

Therefore, if you think differently, you should also expect and accept, that a large number of people will not be satisfied.


And Trump thinks that a somewhat corrupt autocratic businessman is the answer to The American peoples prayers.

And MAGA is his acronymic propaganda slogan.


And so I'm often told, the chief reason for all those millions of guns is to defend  American core values against a rogue government.
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The thing with such studies, is that they seek to understand an effect after a cause.

So studies that seek to understand the cause are always philosophical, and therefore speculative and contentious.

I'm just speculating that  changing socio-psychological attitudes towards recreational sexual activity, have affected and changed physiological development in some specimens, in some societies.

Whether or not this is indicative of an irreversible phase of  species evolution, will become apparent, if and when it has become apparent...Whence we we will be able to pay certain clever people a decent salary to study and understand the effects.

I suppose that we could also surmise that the persistent socio-psychological influence of religion in certain societies has similarly effected the human brain.

Has there ever been a comparative study done?

Whereby we can separate the human species into two distinct classes... Homo-theins and Homo-athiens.

Whereby we might  further sub-divide into Homo-theins-transsexualus, Homo-theins-nontranssexualus, Homo-atheins-transsexualus or Homo-atheins-nontranssexualus.

Or even Homo-theins-nontranssexualus-MAGAnoides and/or Homo-atheins-transsexualus-libertoides.

And so on.

All that respected scientists need to do, is spot the relevant white matter connections and cash their salary cheques.

Yes, I am fully aware  that salary cheques, these days are metaphorical.


Yours sincerely.

Homo-atheins-nontranssexualus-moderatoides-nonsenileidae...(I think that I still have the white matter to prove it....I just need a respected scientist to find it).



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@zedvictor4
So, if you are different, you have an obligation to make sure that people who have nothing to do with it are "satisfied"?

So, if you think differently, you should not expect everyone else to unquestioningly think the same.
Of course not, diverse points of view are healthy. but the MAGA movement disapproves of "other" points of view, they define them as "the enemy" and seek to eliminate. My question is why?

Therefore, if you think differently, you should also expect and accept, that a large number of people will not be satisfied.
OK, and perhaps they should try to be satisfied with themselves, I don't see why a person's satisfaction is dependent on others thinking the same as you. 

And Trump thinks that a somewhat corrupt autocratic businessman is the answer to The American peoples prayers.
"Somewhat corrupt' is an understatement.
And MAGA is his acronymic propaganda slogan.
Yes, and it's incredibly hypocritical.
And so I'm often told, the chief reason for all those millions of guns is to defend  American core values against a rogue government.
Yeah, that's what they say, but it's really just a gun fetish, we have all those millions of guns because we love guns.

Trump told people that Putin is their friend, and the American people and their government are the enemy, and they believed him....and it's that kind of mentality that perpetuates the gun culture.

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I sincerely don't understand why it is such a big issue for so many people, can anybody explain?
That's a great question, and this is imo a very important conversation to have. People generally care about whether someone is trans or not because it often involves issues related to identity, safety, and rights, especially within the context of laws and cultural norms that were originally designed to protect women and children.

Historically, laws in places like sports or single-sex spaces were meant to protect women from unfair competition and ensure their safety in spaces that could be dominated by men. These protections are being undermined by the inclusion of trans women, who may have very different physical characteristics that no amount of hormone therapy can eliminate. It's not just concerns about fairness in competitive or physical activities like sports, it's also about the safety of those women. The issue (wildly popular) is about maintaining and protecting the integrity of women’s spaces.

There is another point regarding the role of children in all of this. A majority of people are concerned about the exposure of sexuality and gender identity at an early age, thinking that kids should be allowed to grow and explore their identities naturally without being pressured to make adult-level decisions too soon before their bodies even finish biological puberty. There are legitimate worries that such exposure confuses and overly sexualizes young minds at a time when they need to work on more fundamental skill building and social skills. So the protection of children is at play here.

Generally speaking, those concerns are about ensuring that everyone’s rights are respected, while still considering fairness and safety in contexts involving women and children. In the era of the curse of TDS and the decline of woke, most people are rejecting the low-T male doctrine of throwing women and children under the bus. That's why a majority of Americans have an issue and care. Thankfully, low-T males are not in the majority. High-T males naturally protect women and appreciate women that protect their children.
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Generally speaking, those concerns are about ensuring that everyone’s rights are respected, while still considering fairness and safety in contexts involving women and children. In the era of the curse of TDS and the decline of woke, most people are rejecting the low-T male doctrine of throwing women and children under the bus. That's why a majority of Americans have an issue and care. Thankfully, low-T males are not in the majority. High-T males naturally protect women and appreciate women that protect their children.
Trump affirmed there are only two genders.
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@Sidewalker
Good.

For the most part we are in agreement.



So, ideologically the USA is just about a nation of two halves, and with the help of the floating vote you succeeded in appointing a Putinesque wannabee as leader.

You got what the Americans agreed upon and will have to put up with it for the next three years or so.

Globally the US is now far less great than it was a year or so ago, with Trump, Vance et al achieving little more than annoying both old friends and old enemies.

And I'm guessing that life on the mean streets is no different for the average American, than it was a year or so ago.

Nonetheless, at the next election, people who think that they are Republican will unthinkingly vote Republican, and people who think that they are Democrats will unthinkingly vote Democrat, and the real thinkers will probably decide who goes next.
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@zedvictor4
Nonetheless, at the next election, people who think that they are Republican will unthinkingly vote Republican, and people who think that they are Democrats will unthinkingly vote Democrat, and the real thinkers will probably decide who goes next.
The real thinkers will go with whoever is elected
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I think you mean: The real stinkers will go with whoever is elected.
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I think you mean: The real stinkers will go with whoever is elected.
The real stinkers will go with Trump.
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The real stinkers will go with Trump.
Tru-dat!
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The real thinkers will go with whoever is elected.
For sure.

The real thinkers will go with whoever they elect.

Same difference.
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The real thinkers will go with whoever is elected.
For sure.

The real thinkers will go with whoever they elect.

Same difference
That was why Trump was re-elected. The stinkers couldn’t tell the difference.
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A Zedku for Shila.


Thinkers thought,

And stinkers bought.

Another red cap.
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An evolution of redcoats.
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@zedvictor4

Well stated.
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Undoubtedly.
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A Zedku for Shila.


Thinkers thought,

And stinkers bought.

Another red cap
China loves the Trump stinkers.
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@Savant
Maybe a trans person would be able to give their take on this, though it probably depends on the person. I did make some assumptions here about what trans people generally prefer to be called, and I don't know how accurate those assumptions are.
I don't know any trans but judging by what these people are asking for in the LGTB protests, I think they want to be referred as how they look like, either man or woman.

I wouldn't mind to call a trans woman a woman or ma'am because this is how they look like. The rabid conservatives would never accept that, of course, because they're blinded by their religion. So, I'm afraid this fight between liberals and conservatives will never have an end.

What I agree with, though, is that in any formal activity where trans people are involved in, they should be introduced as how they really are, either trans woman or trans man. Just think about a trans man that is pregnant, the physician should be capable to know that this person is not a real man (a cis man) but a trans man with vagina and able to give birth. Same thing in sports which I guess it's something urgent to apply.
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I come across a few in my line of work and they cost our National Health Service a whole lot of money.

I don't mind what they choose to get up to, but they should pay for it themselves.
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@zedvictor4
I come across a few in my line of work and they cost our National Health Service a whole lot of money.

I don't mind what they choose to get up to, but they should pay for it themselves.
Hey, Victor. How does it feel to live in a woke country? Does it feel good to pay taxes for the sex change of these people? 

You've got to be careful, uncle. Maybe the brit government is watching on what you're writing, you can end up in jail for hate crime. Hahaha. 

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You never know.


Once we're wired in, thought crimes is next.
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Just think about a trans man that is pregnant, the physician should be capable to know that this person is not a real man (a cis man) but a trans man with vagina and able to give birth. Same thing in sports which I guess it's something urgent to apply.
A trans man has yet to develop a womb to be able to give birth to children. Cosmetic surgery does not go far enough.
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what's your take on this?
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what's your take on this?
They should be banned from women’s sports.

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That seems to be composed by the AI. :)

Whatever. I said that in formal situations, like in sports, it is necessary to be honest so to not have complaints. Dubious situations like treating trans women as women in sports just create a sense of unfairness as we've seen it in many cases.

The other issue about children deciding to change sex, I think it's very complicated. When we let children decide what they want to be we're getting into a very risky situation because there will be cases where the child will regret it. I don't know what it's the percentage of people regreting the sex change but even it were low we should avoid it at all cost because most of these cases end up in suicide. I don't know, in my opinion the sex change for children should be reversible, I mean boys should keep their dick and girls should keep their teats at least until they get adults. It should be limited to hormone treatment and no surgery.
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A land of stories, etched in stone and sand,
Where dreams take flight, across this promised land.
A melting pot, a tapestry of hues,
With hopes and fears, and vibrant, bold views.

From bustling cities, to fields of golden grain,
A nation forged, through sun and pouring rain.
With voices rising, strong and clear and bold,
A story waiting, yet to be untold. 

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@Shila
A trans man has yet to develop a womb to be able to give birth to children. Cosmetic surgery does not go far enough.
A trans man is the woman who changed sex to look like a man. So a trans man can get pregnant.

A trans woman, on the other hand, is the man who changed sex to look like a woman. Some trans women have dick because they work with it. Others don't because they cut it off.
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A trans man has yet to develop a womb to be able to give birth to children. Cosmetic surgery does not go far enough.
A trans man is the woman who changed sex to look like a man. So a trans man can get pregnant.

A trans woman, on the other hand, is the man who changed sex to look like a woman. Some trans women have dick because they work with it. Others don't because they cut it off.
You have put a lot of thought into transgenders.
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@Shila
You have put a lot of thought into transgenders.
Oh, yeah!! Lol.

Trans people are ubiquitous nowadays thanks to the LGBT movement. It's like they're not afraid of being out of the closet anymore. So, it's weird that you dont know the difference among them, there is plenty of information out there.