Going to be out and about for a bit, but I’ll reread the DP and give some reads when I get home.
Serial Killer Mafia DP1
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@WyIted
I feel like you're the one with an obsession with rape here, WyIted. A lot of serial killers also happen to be rapists. My character is not a rapist either, so that can't be the theme split anyway.
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@Savant
My serial killer is a woman. Hadn't heard of this person, but rape is involved. That's all I'm saying about my character right now.
Okay, I know who you are.
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@WyIted
Besides the rape thing, Ed Geins is not a serial killer he confessed to 1 murder and was convicted of another. I don't know that two murders qualifies you as a SK. He is mostly notorious for digging up dead bodies and turning them into lamp shades and other home decor
Okay, now this is a more interesting argument. I looked him up and from what I can tell, he is only known for two murders (which he confessed to) but is suspected of more. That does make his claim somewhat sus tbh, though maybe Luna is just using a loose definition of serial killer here.
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@Casey_Risk
You need to character claim right now if you aren't a rapist or necrophile
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@WyIted
You need to character claim right now if you aren't a rapist or necrophile
I'm not doing that
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@Casey_Risk
If you aren't a rapist or a necrophile than I have a fucking issue with you and it's personal.
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@WyIted
Wylted, screw your head all the way on for just a moment. Do you REALLY think that's what the theme split is here?
Anybody who has not committed sex crimes pipe in right now because we have 2 people who seem to think they can get away with being freaks who murder for fun with zero. I mean zero sexual gratification
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@Casey_Risk
I think we should explore it. We have two non rapist non necrophiles and Austin technically is not a serial killer so I would like to test the theory by executing him the way he executed those two women. He did use a noose on his second victim I believe.
There may be other splits but this is the one I am focused on but I will do some research to see if the majority of SKs do sex crimes and try to consider it as a coincidence
Only about 60% of serial killers are also are sexual deviants according to some AIs
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@WyIted
Listen, I could be wrong here, but when Lunatic said that the theme split was fairly simple, I took that to mean that it was the kind of split where you could just look at the mafia characters and immediately have a pretty good idea of what the split is. Like in Debate Mafia or Paper Mario Mafia, for instance. The point is, I think it's very unlikely that any member of the mafia is going to straightclaim their character.
Austin's claim does still stand out for arguably not even being a serial killer, and if you want to push him for more information based on that, I think that's reasonable. But I think you're way too focused on thematic analysis. I genuinely don't think that's going to help us much this game.
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@AustinL0926
Thinking about Austin's claim more, it's weird. On the one hand, Gein is arguably not even a serial killer, which is obviously a problem. He's also not as well-known as the other claims that have been made so far, which means it's more likely to be fake. On the other hand, I'm not sure that Austin would choose someone like Gein to use as a fakeclaim precisely because he stands out so much. Definitely a lot of WIFOM here. If we're going to push someone for a full claim, however, Austin might be our best choice.
VTL Austin
Official Vote Count:
Savant- 2/6- Bullish, vader
Austin- 2/6- Wylted, Casey
Bullish- 1/6- That2User
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@AustinL0926
@Casey_Risk
I don't know whether a full claim itself will be all that useful, but I'm down to put pressure on someone to keep things moving.
VTL Austin
I will correct one thing. Ed Geins is well known. The Texas chainsaw massacre is based off of him as is psycho and silence of the lambs. I would expect if lunatic wasn't using Google and going from memory Ed Geins would be one of the first 3 or 4 that came to mind. Perhaps Casey is Gen z and so he would seem obscure to her.
I want more information from Austin as well but I was lightly trolling. While Ed Geins is not technically a serial killer he is still going to top a lot of top 10 serial killer lists.
I think it's the creep factor with him, while he killed less people he did actually make furniture from human bones he dug up and stuff like that.
For a lot of people that hear the word serial killer, Ed Gein will be one of the first names that comes to mind.
I actually am thinking about flipping to Savant due to how lackadaisical he is in where his vote goes. It seems a bit Austin but I want more information from Austin before we go that route
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@WyIted
Ed Geins is well known. The Texas chainsaw massacre is based off of him as is psycho and silence of the lambs. I would expect if lunatic wasn't using Google and going from memory Ed Geins would be one of the first 3 or 4 that came to mind. Perhaps Casey is Gen z and so he would seem obscure to her.
Huh, I actually wasn't familiar with him. That does change the way I view things a bit. I'm actually not too sure about pushing Austin anymore.
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@Casey_Risk
I wanted you to help pressure him but not under false pretenses.
Official Vote Count:
Savant- 2/6- Bullish, vader
Austin- 2/6- Wylted, savant
Bullish- 1/6- That2User
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@Casey_Risk
when Lunatic said that the theme split was fairly simple
My first thought was man vs woman tbf
I think Savant is town based on how fast he got to 4 votes despite most people not being on board with the mass char claims thing.
Alright, going to give some early reads.
WyIted - I feel kind of lost on his behavior so far. I wouldn't say I'm surprised with his choice for digging into themes, but it's such a random swing. The only thing that's setting me off is that he has now asked for character claims from two people on that basis, seeking a full claim from Austin. I also don't think he'd defend Austin's claim if that was his aim, but I'm unclear why he'd seek a claim from Austin if he believes his claim. Torn, but null so far.
That2 - Early reads are a bit scattershot. Not sure why That2 sees Casey as town, what's reasonable in my posts, or why they think Pie is "probably tp". Also unclear on why That2 pressed Bullish at all. The sole reason I can find is that Bullish said his justification is shit, which is a pretty poor basis for sussing someone. Doesn't help that That2's been absent from the discussion (they were on an hour ago) ever since despite Bullish claiming his character. Slight scum lean.
Bullish - A little defensive with one vote on him and a little quick to claim, but given the claim is John Wayne Gacy, I have a hard time believing it's a well-timed fake claim. I don't think we should assume that having a well-known serial killer makes their claims more likely to be true, even with the known absence of "fake claims, hints or anything," but for now I have slight town lean on him.
ILikePie (1 and 2) - We have no means to distinguish these two, so for now, their reads go together. I already gave my reasoning for believing that it's more likely they are both town than any of the other scenarios. Suffice it to say that none of his posts have materially affected that view, so he's a town lean. That being said, something's going on here and I can't write Pie off entirely based on likely mechanics.
Savant - Hasn't been involved much as of yet. Aside from interrogating Pie's alignment somewhat and softclaiming a female serial killer with rape involved, there's only the fact that he put a vote down on Austin. More likely than not, that's just what he said it was, an effort to get things moving. Just a little strange that he wasn't pursuing anything specific, even pushing back on the full claim a bit. Null.
Austin - Early focus of attention for some reason despite having only one post claiming Ed Gein. I can see this swinging either way despite how well known he is, so null to me. I would like to get more posts from him, but that has nothing to do with the claim.
Vader - Early Ted Bundy claim with the assumption that his Popular role is SOP makes me think he's town. Regardless of his affiliation, I think he correctly anticipated that a later Popular claim would look bad given recent examples. Luna including a Popular scum in his game just after I did so in mine seems exceedingly unlikely, so I sooner buy the Popular town for that reason as well. I know it's mainly mechanical, but right now I see less reason for Vader to be scum than anyone else beyond Pie.
Casey - The back-and-forth with WyIted has me thinking Casey's town, though that's a slighter read, particularly in a game where the split is supposed to be relatively obvious. The view that Ed Geins is an outlier is also just not something I would expect scum with a partner to present given that they or their partner would likely have done the research as soon as the claim was made. So slight town.
Alright, basic thoughts done. Would like to see That2, Savant and Austin participate more at this point, but since I'd particularly like to see That2's response to Bullish's claim:
VTL That2
Ok, might give full reads later, but here's where I'm at now:
Casey and Bullish seem town to me. I don't think Casey would suddenly stop pushing Austin if they were scum, and Bullish's town read seems to come from a genuine place. I wouldn't say I have any strong null reads, though WyIted does seem to be deflecting more than usual in a way that's not really helpful for scum hunting. Maybe he's just trolling, but he's a possible scum in my eyes.
I also don't know what to make of Pie yet. Seems easy to conclude that both his roles are town, but then maybe the game is made to punish people who assume that. Won't be voting him today, but it would be nice to get more information about him later.
Unvote VTL that 2
I think he is the only infrequent poster who hasn't given us anything to go on so will support whiteflame here
Just took a full-length practice sat, am slightly cooked but will give this a try anyway
Wylted seems like fairly obvious town, the way he's swinging at people and quickly switching his opinions doesn't feel like he's playing to be townread - scum try to stay more consistent in their opinions and go for more narrow pushes to avoid being OMGUSed. That aside, he also feels different enough from the way he was pushing people last game that I think there's an argument to be made for meta here.
I also liked how he corrected Casey on the theme - if he's scum, I don't see the point of him starting a push on me but making sure that pressure is for the right reasons.
Casey's progression on me feels towny enough, liked how they didn't buy the themesplit but seemed to genuinely investigate the theme of my character. Not unfakable, but light lean for now.
Bullish's general aggression/idgaf attitude + complaining about pushing active people feels towny at a gut level, would have to substantiate that more though.
Savant's recent reads are actually pretty decent, and the fact I'm not scumreading him as I usually do when he's either alignment is probably a good sign.
That2 is null, maybe slight scum if I'm being somewhat uncharitable, didn't really like the random shade on Bullish although I feel if she was scum she'd make the push somewhat more convincing.
Pie's lack of activity is odd but probably NAI.
WF feels fine, never really had a good read on him.
I strongly townread Vader's claim - ik it seems pretty thin, but he was on the scum team last game with a Popular scum, and I don't buy he'd deliberately choose to claim this role when he knows it's not going to get any town credit. Basically, he's boxing in his options for fakeclaiming for very little benefit, and fundamentally that doesn't really feel like scum agenda.
I can claim if people want me to but my role is confirmable.
I probably will claim before the day ends tbh, I think it's one of the rare roles that gains utility once its outed though I don't really want to explain too much.
I don't want to lynch Vader, wylted, or pie. I cool with the that2user push.
Official Vote Count:
that2user- 2/6- Wylted, Whiteflame
Savant- 2/6- Bullish, vader
Austin- 1/6- savant
Bullish- 1/6- That2User