The United States should annex Canada

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Why the US should annex Canada:  More land, more people, more GDP.

There is 1 main argument why Canadians are opposed and 1 main argument why American liberals are opposed.

The Canadian argument: Policy (namely Medicare for all).
If Canada joined the United States, then initially, every Canadian state would have Medicare for all and the rest of the United States wouldn't.  Either Medicare for all is a net negative or it's a net positive.  If the former is accurate, then the Canadian states would get rid of M4A voluntarily.  If the ladder is accurate, then the rest of the North American United States copy the idea voluntarily.  The process in favor of the superior idea winning gets expedited by competing ideas being in the same nation and we improve regardless; because it would be democracy in action and would allow for the battle place of ideas.
The US liberal argument: Policy (namely self-determination).

Self determination is objectively irrelevant; the liberals acknowledge this with which nation Crimea belongs too; they want Crimea to be with Ukraine even though most Crimeans want to join Russia.  The liberals don't regard self determination with any consistent degree of relevancy and they should cease to pretend that they do. 

I'm fine with Crimea being with Ukraine if Canada gets annexed by the United States.
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Massachusetts has had universal HC for 20 years, and no state has copied it.
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Well Trump said so, so now let's all pretend this is a perfectly normal and rational proposal to debate. 

Vladimir Putin is laughing his ass off at the ROI on his 2016 investment. 

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Well Trump said so, so now let's all pretend this is a perfectly normal and rational proposal to debate. 
Roughly 25% of the US population agrees with annexing Canada; only 49% disagree (Canada as 51st State? Four-in-five Americans say a merger should be up to Canadians; 90% of us say ‘no’ -).

Your view is more common; but don't act like it's out of the Overton window.  It's not.  Overton windows shift.  Sometimes they shift left; other times they shift right.
I'm a progressive; I support progressively annexing Canada.

Vladimir Putin is laughing his ass off at the ROI on his 2016 investment. 
What would Putin care if the US annexes Canada?

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If that's the case, then MA still has it, so it works for them.
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I would also contend that the reason why you couldn't substantively attack my case is because you have none of your own.  So you should do the responsible thing and join my side on this issue.  :)
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Your view is more common; but don't act like it's out of the Overton window.  It's not.  Overton windows shift. 
That's exactly my point. In fact it's the single biggest reason I oppose Trump so vehemently. The guy is a flat out moron, and now he's literally making this country dumber. As little as a few weeks ago the idea of the US annexing Canada was so stupid it wasn't even worth thinking about let alone talking about, now here we are.

We are light years away from marginal tax rates.

What would Putin care if the US annexes Canada?
Putin's interest is watching the US burn, so imagine his delight as he watches our collective IQ sink to the bottom of the Potomac. We are a country now that can't even agree on who won the prior election, whether we should annex our strongest ally, whether our premier law enforcement agency is actually a deep state cabal that must be dismantled, whether our federal workforce exists, etc. A country that can't even figure these things out will stand no chance over the long run. All of this is because of Trump. Without him giving voice to and normalizing the stupidest people among us and the stupidest ideas imaginable, none of these things are even up for discission.
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"Why the US should start a war in its backyard with one of its closest allies."
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That's exactly my point. In fact it's the single biggest reason I oppose Trump so vehemently. The guy is a flat out moron, and now he's literally making this country dumber. As little as a few weeks ago the idea of the US annexing Canada was so stupid it wasn't even worth thinking about let alone talking about, now here we are.
It's not just Left wingers that can shift the overton window.  Sharing is caring.

Putin's interest is watching the US burn
Having the US fall by annexing Canada?

so imagine his delight as he watches our collective IQ sink to the bottom of the Potomac.
I don't know about your IQ, but mine is 142.

We are a country now that can't even agree on who won the prior election
It was Biden.  Nothing contradictory about not being an election denier and wanting to annex Canada.

 As little as a few weeks ago the idea of the US annexing Canada was so stupid it wasn't even worth thinking about let alone talking about, now here we are.
I've had the belief for about a decade, but Trump allowed me to express it with weight behind it.

 Without him giving voice to and normalizing the stupidest people among us and the stupidest ideas imaginable, none of these things are even up for discission.
If you don't like debating ideas, then get off of DART.
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War is not required if the Canadians consent (which why wouldn't they?)
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We are light years away from marginal tax rates.
Virtually nobody wants to debate that except the left.  Tax policy doesn't generate headlines; culture war stuff does.

Washington State had no income tax in 2017; Arkansas did; most people think Arkansas has lower income tax.
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War is not required if the Canadians consent (which why wouldn't they?)
Most of them oppose joining the US.
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But then you ask them WHY and they usually reference some policy every province in Canada has that are present in none off the US states for example, "We have M4A" (which I addressed in the OP).
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I don't trust the poll because there are some common sense things that don't make sense (ex: The Atlantic provinces are less willing to join the US than Quebec; who speaks America's language)?

In a world that made sense, Quebeckers would be the least willing to join the US.
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Ew. I don’t want Canada to be part of my country.
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In terms of sensibility it would be far better if Canada annexed the US.

Though why the fuck would Canada want to do that?

You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear, as the saying goes.
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Though why the fuck would Canada want to do that?
They get free trade and freedom of movement with the global superpower, and unlike the current free trade, NAFTA can be gone tomorrow and Canada will still have free trade with America if it's in the same nation; but when they're independent, then Canadian interests get ignored.

In terms of sensibility it would be far better if Canada annexed the US.
You do realize it's the same thing except for the name, the flag, and the stereotypical colors?  The people inside it would be the same (except for laws that if they were big issues, then politicians would easily remove or implement).
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It's just an economic zone. They won't care about being American, they barely care about what it means to be Canadian.
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I'm curious, what would be the issue?  More left wing states?
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Ew. I don’t want Canada to be part of my country.
Here are reasons Canadians would agree with you.

Canada has many similarities to the United States and can be viewed as a mix of American and European ideals. Canada is a politically stable country with a buoyant economy that creates many well-paid jobs, and has top-notch education featuring multiple world-class universities, a diverse population, and a low crime rate. Finally, Canada's healthcare system is provided to its citizens nearly free of cost. Depending on where you live, there may be a small monthly fee. However, it’s a nominal sum compared to the lifetime benefits you gain from the system.

BUT WHAT IS IT REALLY LIKE TO LIVE IN CANADA?


Living in Canada offers a diverse and inclusive experience. The country is known for its high quality of life, friendly and polite citizens, and stunning natural landscapes. If you’ve ever seen pictures of the Canadian Rockies, you’ll know that we have some beautiful wilderness in this country.


Canada has one of the highest standards of living in the world and consistently ranks among the top 10 or 20 countries in the world for happiness. In 2023, it was ranked the 13th happiest country in the world.

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Well, it wouldn't be the same thing  would it.

And I'm sure that Canada is reasonably self sufficient and well connected enough, to not worry too much about a trade war with the US.
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I don't know about your IQ, but mine is 142.
Why of course it is, and you are also an astronaut and MMA fighter, got it.
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I don't know about your IQ, but mine is 142.
Why of course it is, and you are also an astronaut and MMA fighter, got it.
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Well, it wouldn't be the same thing  would it.

And I'm sure that Canada is reasonably self sufficient and well connected enough, to not worry too much about a trade war with the US.
Yes, Canada should remain as it is, America's hat.
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Canada is a red and white hat.
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You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear, as the saying goes.
Damn Zed, how old are you.  I'm pretty sure the last time that phrase was used the Dead Sea was just sick.
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Why wouldn't it be the same thing?
And I'm sure that Canada is reasonably self sufficient and well connected enough, to not worry too much about a trade war with the US.
About Two Thirds of Canadian foreign trade is with the US (What % of Canadian trade is with the us? - Search).  If Canadian ports get cut off with US ships (and bombed), then they can't trade with the outside world either.  It's very easy for the US to isolate Canada IF we wanted too.

The alternative is Canada sobers up, realizes they can keep (and even expand) their Medicare for all easier if they spare the bloodshed, join the US, and maybe do some soft core colonizing of the US (aka expanding Canadian policies like Medicare for all and French language classes).  They could also spread Poutine; and can get an enjoyment by putting Russia in their place by eating Pou-tin and having Americans do the same.

:)
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And the US is Canada's arse.
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The other alternative is, Trump dies soon.


And Putin thought that he could isolate Ukraine.


And since WW2 The US has been blundering around the Globe with their immense super-power, trying to subdue goat farmers.

Before eventually running back home with their tails between their legs.

Nah...Much harder in practice than it is on paper.