trump is at best causing dysfunction right now. how can you MAGAts disagree?

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Clinton worked with Congress to decide where to cut, then worked with the agencies to make it happen.
How does Congress know the details of employment in another branch's agencies; none of whom work for thecongressional branch, do they?

That shows very clearly, that they literally do not know what the people they are firing even do.
Neither, apparently, do the employees. DOGE asked them to justify their employment; to describe their productivity [what the do and how they do it]. That is an ability of its own, to know what and how job performance is conducted, and iight to be knowledgeable to every employee, or they are not worth their income. Period. How do they deserve in income outa of my pocket and yours if they cannot describe their job description and duties?  As you say:

That's just blatant incompetence.
...on the part of the employees, not DOGE.

They have yet to show a single shred of evidence that anything they've cut is because of fraud, 
USAID, just for one example. Condons for Gaza? Really? And that list of frauds just in USAID is legion.  But then I do not depend on Cartoon News Network for my news.
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 And It's not my job to educate you.
Did I ask you? No. I thought you were done with replies. You said as much. So, stop, already. 
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Clinton worked with Congress to decide where to cut, then worked with the agencies to make it happen.
How does Congress know the details of employment in another branch's agencies; none of whom work for thecongressional branch, do they?
No, that's not how it works.

Working with Congress is the first step in a normal, rational process. You begin with the big pictur, figure out what direction your organization is going in, then you pass that direction down the chain. You have a review process where people who actually know what they're talking about can best guide you on what specific cuts needs to be made and they pass that direction down. So when it's time to pull the trigger and fire people you know who you're firing, what will be lost, and are prepared to absorb the impacts of those losses.

This is common sense.

That shows very clearly, that they literally do not know what the people they are firing even do.
Neither, apparently, do the employees. DOGE asked them to justify their employment; to describe their productivity [what the do and how they do it]. That is an ability of its own, to know what and how job performance is conducted, and iight to be knowledgeable to every employee, or they are not worth their income. Period. How do they deserve in income outa of my pocket and yours if they cannot describe their job description and duties?  As you say:

That's just blatant incompetence.
...on the part of the employees, not DOGE.
Right, so Musk fires the people who safeguard our nuclear weapons before realizing he fired the people who safeguard per nuclear weapons, and that's the fault of the people who safeguard our nuclear weapons, not Musk.

Got it.

They have yet to show a single shred of evidence that anything they've cut is because of fraud, 
USAID, just for one example. Condons for Gaza? Really?
No, not really.

And that list of frauds just in USAID is legion.
It doesn't matter how many frauds you list when they're just made up. The fact that you thought the condoms to Gaza story was real speaks to the problem. They're just lying to you and you don't seem bothered by it.
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It doesn't matter how many frauds you list when they're just made up. The fact that you thought the condoms to Gaza story was real speaks to the problem. They're just lying to you and you don't seem bothered by it.
Be prepared for the worst 4 years in Americas history under the Trump presidency.
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Congressional oversight committees do recover fraud and waste, but rarely with any efficiency, and certainly not as often as they claim. They frequently uncover waste, but enforcement and remedies are slow. Committees like the House Oversight and Accountability Committee and the Senate Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs Committee (GAO) investigate fraud, but their findings often take years to result in actual policy changes or recoveries. The Government Accountability Office plays a role in tracking waste and fraud, sometimes leading to billions in recoveries, particularly in areas like Medicare fraud and defense contract overbilling. In some cases, they can't even identify the scope of the fraud because institutions like the Pentagon cannot even pass an audit! (where's the money? We don't know!)

Most government agencies typically resist giving back any appropriated money, so Congress often has to go through the slow torture of passing new laws to prevent future fraud instead of simply recovering the lost funds immediately. Some high-profile hearings, such as those on Pentagon spending fraud or COVID relief fraud, have identified massive waste, but only a fraction of the funds actually get recovered. The Paycheck Protection Program, for example, saw hundreds of billions in fraud, yet recoveries have been slow despite congressional investigations. Out of those 100 billions identified as fraud and waste, only 1.5 billion was clawed back to the government, and none of that was returned to the taxpayer. If fraudsters were forced to return money quickly, government oversight would be far more effective, but in reality, bureaucracy, politics, and legal delays make the process much slower. While congressional oversight does help, it is far less effective than it could be. This is why Congress typically allows the executive branch to make discretion decisions on many expenditures, knowing that Congressional oversight is a Sisyphean task.
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This is why Congress typically allows the executive branch to make discretion decisions on many expenditures, knowing that Congressional oversight is a Sisyphean task.

The constitutional provision making Congress the ultimate authority on government spending passed with far less debate. The framers were unanimous that Congress, as the representatives of the people, should be in control of public funds—not the President or executive branch agencies.
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They can also decide who oversees that spending.
Congress still maintains control over the spending.
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They can also decide who oversees that spending.
Yeah, Congress has the authority to flex its muscles and remove those provisions, but many will see it as Congress not caring enough about fraud or waste, and given their track record (returning only 1.5 billion out of hundreds of billions of PPP waste uncovered). It's likely members on the oversight committee will be removed by the electorate when the Congress takes responsibility and the blame for failing to fix the problems. 

Zero Democrats in Congress stood up and clapped for any of the fraud and waste funds recovered, but a majority of Americans at home were definitely clapping. That will frame the Democrat Congress as being "pro fraud and waste" since they can't even pretend to get behind those small victories. When they are already polling at 20%, that's not a good look.

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Yeah, Congress has the authority to flex its muscles and remove those provisions, but many will see it as Congress not caring enough about fraud or waste, and given their track record (returning only 1.5 billion out of hundreds of billions of PPP waste uncovered). It's likely members on the oversight committee will be removed by the electorate when the Congress takes responsibility and the blame for failing to fix the problems. 

Trump lied about social security recipients.
According to Trump Believe it or not, government databases list 4.7 million Social Security members from people aged 100 to 109 years old. It lists 3.6 million people from ages 110 to 119. I don't know any of them. I know some people who are rather elderly but not quite that elderly. 3.47 million people from ages 120 to 129. 3.9 million people from ages 130 to 139. 3.5 million people from ages 140 to 149...1.3 million people from ages 150 to 159, and over 130,000 people, according to the Social Security databases, are age over 160 years old," he said.

The President claimed a lot of money is paid out to many of these people, which is hurting "Social Security", and "our country". and his administration is probing the matter.

He further alleged that several hundred people older than 220 were also still getting checks, according to SSA data - and that "one person is listed at 360 of age."

According to a 2023 Social Security inspector general report, 18.9 million people listed as 100 years or older - but not dead - were in the database.  However, only 44,000 of them were getting payments.

In another report released in July 2024, SSA's inspector general found that from 2015 to 2022, only 0.84 per cent of benefits payments were improper. The report also said most of these improper payments were overpayments - not payments to dead people or people who didn't qualify.

Moreover, the agency data showed, just 89,106 people - not tens of millions - over age 99 received retirement benefits in December last year.

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With the track record of PPP oversight, you can't trust that SSI is anywhere near free of fraud and waste.
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In 2020-2021,
SBA.gov issued 3,095 loans, including PPP (Paycheck Protection Program) and EIDL (Economic Injury Disaster Loan), for $333M to borrowers over 115 years old who were still marked as alive in the Social Security database. In one case, a 157 years old individual received $36k in loans.

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Working with Congress is the first step
Not with JoeBiden. A failed presidency. If any of that myth you've described occurred, how did the administration manage to spend $8 trillion dollars from Q3 2021 to end of Q2 2025 [remember, his admin in on the hook until start of Q3 this year]? And we saw last nought how pathetically DEmocratds will work with Trump. Couldn't even applaud the list of ordinary people heroes Trump presented last nights. Woke is dead, and we saw it last night. So, what "work with."


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Not with JoeBiden. A failed presidency. If any of that myth you've described occurred, how did the administration manage to spend $8 trillion dollars from Q3 2021 to end of Q2 2025 [remember, his admin in on the hook until start of Q3 this year]?
The debt rose to $7.8 trillion during Trump’s Term.  That’s twice as much as what Americans owe on student loans, car loans, credit cards and other debt  combined, Trump added 2.9 million to the unemployment. The highest for a president ever.
Trump filed 7 corporate bankruptcies, a failed airline, a failed magazine, a failed scam university, three failed casinos, a failed pandemic response, the worst jobs record of any U.S. president, two impeachments, and 34 criminal convictions, Trump was fined 464 million dollars for business fraud and is in court for paying a porn star Stormy Daniels hush money. Trump's false or misleading claims total 30573 over 4 years . Covid under Trump was responsible for 1.2 million American deaths.
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Not with JoeBiden. A failed presidency. If any of that myth you've described occurred
I haven't said a word about Joe Biden or anything that happened during his administration.

And we saw last nought how pathetically DEmocratds will work with Trump. Couldn't even applaud the list of ordinary people heroes Trump presented last nights. Woke is dead, and we saw it last night. So, what "work with."
Not a single word of this has anything to do with anything I said, so I'll take that as a concession.

That aside, I'm sure you aren't complaining about democrats unwillingness to work with republicans after what the republicans have done the past 15 years. This is the same party that normalized the filibuster, and denied Obama an SC seat pretending to care something about an election year only to cram an SC pick at lightning speed two weeks before an election one cycle later.

Democrats aren't responsible for this political climate, so if you actually care about this point your ire at those who are responsible.
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Democrats aren't responsible for this political climate, so if you actually care about this point your ire at those who are responsible.

Lol, keep sitting on your ass then and enjoy the 20% approval polls. That will surely pave a way for a bright return to power.
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That's all they have to do. Trump is in the process of fucking everything up so bad people will flock to the alternative no matter what it is.
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There's no alternative, Democrats stand for nothing. If they ditch Trump, they will just go to another Republican.
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Your litany of Trump failures is an indictment against all of us, because all both succeed and fail, right? Those six bankruptcies were their own failures; separate companies. Trump bankrupted them for failures to make a profit. Six of over 350 separate companies under the Trump org umbrella, which are their own entities, not Trump, personally. Get it? That's a success rate of well offer 99%. Would that we all were so personally successful. And paying. hush money to anyone, porn, or not, is not illegal, my friend. Look it up.  It amounts to a legal contract, which the porn lady violated, not Trump.  Get your facts straight, and maybe we'll talk. But, do that, first, at least.