I hate all muslims except the Talibans

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The logic here is flawed because it assumes that teachings are automatically responsible for followers' behavior.
No, thats just you attacking a strawman I didnt even mention.

The argument was that teachings of alah arent good at teaching people, so alah fails at teaching people. Thus, alah is a failed teacher.
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Okay, so non-believers (atheists) who deny the message burn alive eternally, and you justify that. Thanks for supporting my argument, I guess.
No hadith or Qur’anic verse says that an atheist who rejects Islam after understanding it out of sincere disbelief, without arrogance or hatred, will automatically burn eternally. The Qur'an and hadith emphasize justice, knowledge, and intent.
1. Punishment is for Arrogant Rejection, Not Sincere Disbelief:
“And never would We punish until We sent a messenger.” (Qur’an 17:15)
“Those who reject Our signs out of arrogance – they are companions of the Fire.” (Qur’an 7:36)
  • Punishment is for arrogance, not for disbelief alone.
2. Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) on Allah’s Justice:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said:
“A man will be brought on the Day of Judgment and it will be said: ‘Did you receive My message?’ He will reply: ‘No.’ Then Allah will test him…” (Musnad Ahmad)
  • Even those unaware or unconvinced will be tested fairly.
3. Non-Muslims Can Attain Allah’s Mercy:
“Indeed, those who believe, those who were Jews, Christians, or Sabians... will have their reward with their Lord.” (Qur’an 2:62)
  • Sincerity and righteousness are what matter, not labels alone.
Punishment in Islam is based on knowledge, arrogance, and intent, not simply disbelief. If a person rejects the message due to genuine personal conviction, their fate is with Allah, who is the Most Just.


No sincere seeker of truth remains an atheist after truly understanding Islam, because its message aligns with human nature (fitrah), reason, and heart. Rejection after understanding stems from arrogance, not doubt.
1. Human Nature (Fitrah) Recognizes the Creator:
“So direct your face toward the religion, inclining to truth. Adhere to the fitrah of Allah upon which He has created [all] people.” (Qur’an 30:30)
  • Every human has a natural inclination toward belief. Understanding Islam rekindles this innate recognition of God.
2. The Qur’an Satisfies Reason and Heart:
“We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth.” (Qur’an 41:53)
  • The Qur'an appeals to logic, science, and self-reflection. Sincere seekers are convinced by its clarity and depth.
3. Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) on Truth and Arrogance:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said:
“No one who has an atom’s weight of arrogance in his heart will enter Paradise.” (Sahih Muslim)
  • Rejection after understanding is a result of arrogance, not ignorance.
4. Examples of Sincere Seekers:
Even enemies of Islam, like Umar ibn al-Khattab (RA), accepted the truth upon understanding the Qur’an deeply. History shows that sincere seekers who genuinely grasp Islam’s message are drawn to it.

If someone claims to “fully understand” Islam but remains an atheist, it signals misunderstanding or bias. The Qur’an repeatedly states that its guidance is clear to those sincere in heart and mind. Rejection comes from pride or denial, not from clarity.
Thus, if an atheist truly comprehends Islam, the Qur’an, and the teachings of the Prophet (ﷺ), they will not want to remain an atheist—because Islam aligns with truth, nature, reason, and justice.

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Imagine this: If there truly is a Creator who knows you better than you know yourself, wouldn’t His message, when fully understood, resonate with your heart, even if your mind resists it now?
The Qur’an says:
"Indeed, in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find rest." (Qur'an 13:28)
The human soul longs for peace, meaning, and connection beyond this temporary world. That’s why many who deeply explore faith—often those who once doubted—find something they didn’t even know they were searching for.
You’re questioning deeply, and that alone means you care about truth. Isn't that what truly matters? You don’t have to force belief. Just keep seeking with an open heart. Because truth, if it’s real, has a way of finding you—when you’re ready to receive it.
Sometimes, the most profound answers come not from arguments but from reflection. So, what if you paused, not to accept, but just to ask: “If there is a truth beyond what I see, let it reach my heart in a way I can’t deny.”
After all, if God is real, wouldn’t He be patient with your journey? And if the truth is truly beautiful, wouldn’t it embrace you when you’re ready?

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Stop skirting the question.
So then what religion and what interpretation of what book are they acting on?
"They are acting on their own flawed understanding of Islam, not on the Qur'an or authentic teachings of the Prophet Muhammad
So the religion that these "individuals" are getting their ideas from is Islam.  And the book they interpret (wrongly or rightly) is the Quran?  Yes?

u mean the muslims?

Well are the "individuals" Muslim?
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No, thats just you attacking a strawman I didnt even mention.

The argument was that teachings of alah arent good at teaching people, so alah fails at teaching people. Thus, alah is a failed teacher.
Your argument assumes that success in teaching is measured solely by universal obedience of followers. But the Qur'an clarifies that guidance is offered, not forced, and accountability rests on individuals, not on the Teacher.
Allah says:
“Indeed, We guided him to the right path—whether he chooses to be grateful or ungrateful.” (Qur’an 76:3)
This verse highlights that Allah provides guidance, but humans have free will. The existence of wrongdoing doesn’t negate the quality of the teaching—it reflects human choice.
The Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ), the greatest teacher of Islam, said:
“Convey from me, even if it is one verse.” (Bukhari)
Despite his perfect teaching, did everyone accept his message? No—because choice is part of the test of life. Even prophets were rejected by some people, but that didn’t mean they failed as teachers.
If you judge a teacher by students who refuse to learn, is that a fair measure of the teacher’s ability? Or does it reflect the student’s unwillingness?
Success of teaching is seen in those who follow it sincerely. Millions of Muslims who strive for peace, compassion, and justice are living proof of the effectiveness of Allah’s teachings.
So, the real question: Are you evaluating the message by those who ignore it or by those who embody it?

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No hadith or Qur’anic verse says that an atheist who rejects Islam after understanding it out of sincere disbelief, without arrogance or hatred, will automatically burn eternally. 
You provided a verse which says otherwise.
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If you judge a teacher by students who refuse to learn, is that a fair measure of the teacher’s ability?
The definition of a teacher is someone who makes others learn something. Since alahs failed to teach muslims to be more peaceful than others, alahs is a failed teacher by definition.
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So, the real question: Are you evaluating the message by those who ignore it or by those who embody it?
Both. But those who embody islam arent good people either, so really, this is just failing either way.
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Well are the "individuals" Muslim?
A Muslim is someone who submits to the will of Allah and follows the teachings of Islam, believing in the oneness of Allah (Tawheed) and that Muhammad (ﷺ) is His final messenger.
Belief vs. Practice
Simply believing that Allah is the only God (Tawheed) is essential, but Islam requires both faith (Iman) and action (Amal). Accepting Allah alone as God makes one a Muslim, but faith without deeds is incomplete in the eyes of Allah.
The Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) said:
"Iman (faith) has over seventy branches, the highest of which is saying La ilaha illallah (There is no god but Allah), and the lowest is removing something harmful from the road." (Sahih Muslim)
If Someone Believes but Does Not Follow Teachings
  1. Still a Muslim, but a Sinner (Fasiq):
    • If someone acknowledges Allah and the Prophet (ﷺ) but neglects Islamic teachings, they remain a Muslim but are committing major sins.
    • Allah’s mercy is vast, and sincere repentance can erase their sins.
  2. Deliberate Rejection (Istihlal) of Obligations:
    • If someone knowingly denies or mocks essential practices like prayer or fasting, they risk leaving the fold of Islam.
    • The Prophet (ﷺ) said:
      “Between a man and disbelief is his abandonment of prayer.” (Sahih Muslim)
Hope and Mercy from Allah
Even for those who fall short in practice, Allah’s doors are always open:
“Say, O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah. Indeed, Allah forgives all sins.” (Qur’an 39:53)
True Faith Changes the Heart
The Prophet (ﷺ) said:
“When faith enters the heart, the heart opens up to obedience.” (Musnad Ahmad)
In conclusion:
  • Believing in Allah alone is the foundation of being a Muslim.
  • Following His teachings is a natural outcome of sincere faith.
  • Neglecting teachings without denial still keeps one within Islam, but with accountability for their actions.
  • True understanding of Allah’s mercy and justice encourages both belief and practice.

So the religion that these "individuals" are getting their ideas from is Islam.  

Well are the "individuals" Muslim?
Whether they call themselves Muslim is not the point—the question is: Are they following Islam as defined by the Qur'an and the Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ)?
The label “Muslim” doesn’t guarantee that their actions represent Islam. If someone acts against the Qur'an and the Prophet's teachings, then their deeds are not “Islamic” but their own injustice.
The Qur'an says:
“And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden, except by right. This has He instructed you that you may use reason.” (Qur'an 6:151)
The Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) said:
“Beware! If anyone wrongs a non-Muslim citizen, I will argue against him on the Day of Judgment.” (Sunan Abi Dawood)
So, if someone kills without just cause, are they following Islam or breaking it?
Calling a crime “Islamic” just because the criminal claims to be Muslim is like blaming science for a bomb made by a scientist. The problem lies not in the source (Qur'an), but in their false reading, cultural bias, or political motives.
The book they claim to act on is the Qur'an, but their actions contradict it.
And the book they interpret (wrongly or rightly) is the Quran?  Yes?
they claim to interpret the Qur’an, but their actions clearly show a wrong interpretation that contradicts its core teachings.
The Qur’an warns against misusing its guidance:
“He misleads many by it and guides many by it. But He misleads not except the defiantly disobedient.” (Qur'an 2:26)
The Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) also predicted that some people would misuse the Qur'an:
“There will come people who recite the Qur’an, but it will not go beyond their throats. They will stray from the religion like an arrow from a bow.” (Sahih al-Bukhari)
So, while they use the Qur’an as their source, they betray its message. The book is the Qur'an, but the problem is their disobedience to what it truly teaches.

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The definition of a teacher is someone who makes others learn something. Since alahs failed to teach muslims to be more peaceful than others, alahs is a failed teacher by definition.
Judging a teacher by students who refuse to learn is not a fair measure of the teacher's ability. A true teacher provides the best possible guidance, but the student's willingness to learn plays a significant role in their understanding.
Allah has provided the most complete guidance through the Qur'an and the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ), and it is up to each individual to choose whether or not to follow that guidance. The fact that some Muslims fail to act peacefully does not reflect Allah’s failure, but rather their failure to adhere to His teachings.
The Qur'an and Hadith are filled with guidance on peace, compassion, and justice:
“And speak to people kindly.” (Qur'an 2:83)
“The strong person is not the one who can overpower others, but the one who controls himself when angry.” (Sahih al-Bukhari)
The Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) showed the greatest example of peace and patience, despite facing immense hardship. So, Allah is not a failed teacher; rather, human beings sometimes fail to embody His message.
To suggest that a teacher is at fault because some students choose not to learn is to misunderstand the dynamics of education and personal responsibility. Allah’s guidance is clear—whether or not it is followed is another matter entirely.

 where exactly did u get this definition from?
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Both. But those who embody islam arent good people either, so really, this is just failing either way.
well dear, If you're evaluating both the people who ignore the message and those who embody it, then the real measure should be the teachings themselves—and how well they align with principles of justice, peace, and compassion.
Islam, as taught by the Qur'an and the Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ), promotes peace, kindness, and justice—these values are central to the faith. The fact that some individuals may not embody these qualities doesn't invalidate the message itself. It's like saying a subject is flawed because a student doesn't study it correctly.
There are countless examples in Islamic history of individuals who embodied these principles, such as the Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ), who was known for his patience, kindness, and forgiveness, even towards his enemies.
So, if you evaluate Islam based on its pure teachings, you find that the message remains unfailingly good. The failure lies not in the message itself, but in the individuals who fail to live by it.
The Qur'an states:
“You have in the Messenger of Allah an excellent example.” (Qur'an 33:21)
And the Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) demonstrated the best way of life through his actions. The message is clear; it's up to each individual to either accept or ignore it.

It’s important to recognize that no place is perfect, including Japan, which, while widely regarded for its peace and order, has its own challenges. Every society faces issues of inequality, violence, or injustice in some form. For example, Japan has dealt with issues like bullying in schools, a rise in mental health problems, and societal pressures that can lead to high suicide rates. These are serious issues that affect the quality of life, despite Japan's reputation for being peaceful.
Similarly, Islam’s message is not perfect because of individual flaws, but the teachings themselves—rooted in justice, kindness, and peace—are sound. The actions of followers who do not live up to these ideals do not reflect the faith itself, just as any imperfections in society, including Japan, do not negate the positive qualities it is known for.
In the end, no place or religion is free of challenges, but that doesn't diminish the inherent value of the core teachings—whether those of Islam or any other philosophy. So, the real question isn't about which place is most peaceful, but how closely any individual or society follows the ideals of peace, justice, and compassion.
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Judging a teacher by students who refuse to learn is not a fair measure of the teacher's ability. 
You are not making any sense here. alahy either succeeded in making muslim group more peaceful than others or alahy failed. Or do you want to cherry pick only "decent" muslims from the group to prove that alahy succeeded? Well, there are less decent people in alahy group than in some other non-alahy groups, so alahy didnt increase amount of decency with teachings from his alahy God head.
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If you're evaluating both the people who ignore the message and those who embody it, then the real measure should be the teachings themselves
So we should just ignore that alhah failed at teaching?

Okay.

Maybe alah quranit teachings are good? No, I read her alalhy teachings. They are very bad and psychopathic. I would never torture anyone eternally in a fire, especially not for being an atheist who just denies the psychopathic message of quranany.
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this is just for u guys to think once, no other purpose. if anyone can answer, i'd gladly hear.
"How is it possible that someone living in an isolated desert over 1,400 years ago could have known universal truths?"
This is a profound question, and it’s worth exploring the context of the Qur'an to understand how its teachings transcend the time and place in which it was revealed.
  1. The Creation of the Universe (Surah Al-Anbiya 21:30)
    "Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the earth were a closed-up mass, then We opened them out? And We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?"
    In this verse, the Qur'an describes the creation of the universe, which aligns with modern scientific theories about the Big Bang and the origin of life through water. How could an illiterate man in the 7th century have known such details, unless there was a divine source of knowledge?
  2. The Development of the Human Embryo (Surah Al-Mu’minun 23:13-14)
    "Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood, then of that clot We made a lump, then We made out of that lump bones, and clothed the bones with flesh, and then We caused it to grow into another creation. So blessed be Allah, the best of creators."
    The detailed description of human embryonic development here, long before science could observe it under a microscope, points to knowledge that goes beyond the understanding of the time.
  3. The Expanding Universe (Surah Adh-Dhariyat 51:47)
    "And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander."
    This verse hints at the expanding universe—a concept only discovered in the 20th century by scientists like Edwin Hubble. The Qur'an speaks of an expanding universe long before modern science could confirm it.
  4. Mountains and Earth's Stability (Surah An-Naba 78:6-7)
    "Have We not made the earth as a bed, and the mountains as pegs?"
    This is often interpreted as a reference to the stabilizing effect mountains have on the earth’s crust. Modern geology explains that mountains help stabilize the earth's surface by acting like pegs in the ground. This knowledge could not have been known in a desert environment, and yet it was mentioned in the Qur'an.
These verses challenge the notion that someone living in the desert could only speak of local or limited knowledge. They speak to a greater truth that spans beyond their time and place. The accuracy of these teachings points to a source of knowledge that transcends human understanding and cannot be attributed to mere coincidence or historical context.
So, the question is not how someone in the desert could have known these things, but rather, how could someone in such circumstances have known them unless they were revealed by a higher power?

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You are not making any sense here. alahy either succeeded in making muslim group more peaceful than others or alahy failed. Or do you want to cherry pick only "decent" muslims from the group to prove that alahy succeeded? Well, there are less decent people in alahy group than in some other non-alahy groups, so alahy didnt increase amount of decency with teachings from his alahy God head
"The measure of success for any teacher isn't about the actions of those who choose to ignore the teachings, but rather how the core principles are intended to guide individuals."
Your argument assumes that if some individuals who identify with a faith don't adhere perfectly to its principles, then the faith itself is a failure. But this approach is flawed for several reasons.
  1. The Freedom of Choice: Islam, like all religions, grants individuals the freedom to choose their path. People are responsible for their own actions. The Qur'an states clearly:
    "Indeed, this Qur'an guides to that which is most suitable..." (Qur'an 17:9)
    The guidance is there. But some people choose not to follow it, or interpret it in a way that strays from its true purpose. That doesn’t reflect on the ability of the teacher (Allah) but rather on the responsibility of the student (human beings).
  2. The Role of Free Will: The Qur'an teaches that each individual is responsible for their choices:
    "And say, 'The truth is from your Lord. So whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve.'" (Qur'an 18:29)
    Allah has given us the capacity to choose our own paths. If a Muslim chooses violence or cruelty, it doesn’t mean Allah’s message has failed. The fault lies in the individual, not the divine guidance.
  3. The True Measure of a Teacher’s Success: A teacher imparts knowledge, but it is up to the students to embrace that knowledge. If we measure a teacher’s success only by the actions of students who refuse to learn, then we are ignoring the essence of what makes a teacher great: the ability to guide and provide knowledge. The Qur'an says:
    "Indeed, this Qur'an is a guidance for those who are conscious of Allah." (Qur'an 2:2)
    The success of a teacher is not measured by the number of students who fail to grasp the lesson, but by the clarity and truth of the lesson itself.
  4. The Strength of the Message: Just because a certain number of Muslims fail to follow the teachings in a peaceful way, that doesn't mean the teachings themselves are flawed. For instance, history has shown that many who fought for peace and justice throughout the world were inspired by Islamic principles, such as the Prophet Muhammad’s (ﷺ) example of forgiveness and mercy. His life was filled with instances where he showed patience and kindness, even to those who opposed him. True Muslims strive to embody these qualities, even if not all who call themselves Muslim do.
  5. On Decency Across Faiths: The concept of peace and decency is not exclusive to any one group. Every community has its share of individuals who fail to embody the ideals they claim to follow. It is also important to acknowledge that Islam teaches mercy, justice, and compassion above all else. So, rather than comparing Muslims to non-Muslims in a contest of decency, let’s look at what the teachings of Islam say about compassion:
    "And speak to people good [words]..." (Qur'an 2:83)
    The core teachings of Islam promote peace and kindness. If individuals do not act according to these teachings, that’s a reflection of their personal choices, not the failure of Allah's message.
In conclusion, the success of a teacher isn't solely judged by the behavior of students who choose to ignore the lesson. Allah's message is one of peace, and the failings of some individuals do not diminish the truth or the potential for positive change through that guidance. So instead of focusing on the actions of those who refuse to learn, we should focus on the message itself and the examples set by those who truly embody its teachings.

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Japan has dealt with issues like bullying in schools, a rise in mental health problems, and societal pressures that can lead to high suicide rates.
And you think bullying doesnt exist in alah-ila schools?

Even with high suicide rates, Japan's life expectancy is higher than in any muslim country, by far. Besides, murder and torture is the worst form of violence. Murders and tortures are very common in muslim countries. Muslims promoted both male and female genital mutilation, as well as constantly killing not just non-muslims, but even other muslims. Muslims promote hate towards gays and trans.
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If you're evaluating both the people who ignore the message and those who embody it, then the real measure should be the teachings themselves
So we should just ignore that alhah failed at teaching?

Okay.

Maybe alah quranit teachings are good? No, I read her alalhy teachings. They are very bad and psychopathic. I would never torture anyone eternally in a fire, especially not for being an atheist who just denies the psychopathic message of quranany.

First, let’s get some things clear.
It’s Allah (not "alhah")—the Creator, Sustainer, and the Merciful.
Secondly, calling Allah’s message "psychopathic" is an unfair and uninformed interpretation.
The Qur'an does not promote cruelty or psychopathy. In fact, it speaks extensively about justice, mercy, and forgiveness. The punishment of Hell is not arbitrary or cruel; it is a consequence for actions and choices made by individuals. It is important to understand that the punishment is linked to free will and accountability, not some unjust act. The Qur'an makes it clear:
“Indeed, Allah does not do injustice, even as much as an atom's weight; while people do injustice to themselves.” (Qur’an 4:40)
You also seem to misunderstand the concept of eternal punishment.
The Qur'an mentions that those who choose to reject faith despite having received the message in clear terms will face consequences, but these are never imposed lightly. The final judgment is in Allah’s hands, and no one can escape His justice. The consequences are tied to one's rejection of the truth after being presented with it, not simply for disbelief. Moreover, the Qur'an highlights the opportunities for repentance and forgiveness:
“Say, 'O My servants who have harmed yourselves by your own actions, do not despair of Allah’s mercy. Allah forgives all sins: He is truly the Most Forgiving, the Most Merciful.'” (Qur'an 39:53)
As for calling the teachings of the Qur'an "bad"—that's a serious accusation.
The teachings of the Qur'an focus on personal growth, justice, mercy, and social responsibility. It teaches respect for all life, care for the poor and oppressed, and guidance on how to live in harmony with others. If you think the message is psychopathic, maybe it’s worth revisiting the text with an open mind and seeking out scholars who can offer you a deeper understanding.
The Qur'an calls for justice, but also for mercy:
“And act justly; that is closer to righteousness.” (Qur'an 5:8)
“If you forgive, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.” (Qur'an 64:14)
It’s also important to reflect on the difference between the message and the actions of individuals.
If someone misrepresents Islam, that doesn’t reflect the truth of the teachings. It's like blaming a book for the actions of someone who misinterprets it. The core message of Islam, like that of many religions, is to encourage personal responsibility, compassion, and moral integrity.
don’t mistake the failure of individuals to live up to a higher standard as a failure of the teachings themselves. If you truly seek understanding, approach the message with the intention of learning, not just rejecting. The real test isn’t whether you disagree with a concept; it’s whether you’ve genuinely understood it before making a judgment.
the message of the Qur’an is not about arbitrary punishment or cruelty.
You’re speaking about Hell, but you’re misunderstanding the purpose and reasoning behind it. The Qur’an speaks about the consequences of rejecting the truth after being presented with clear guidance:
“And We have certainly sent to every nation a messenger, saying, ‘Worship Allah and avoid false gods.’ And among them were those whom Allah guided, and among them were those upon whom error was inevitable. So travel through the land and see how was the end of those who denied.” (Qur'an 16:36)
The punishment for disbelief is not because of the simple denial of a concept—it is for willfully rejecting the truth after it has been made clear. This is a core principle of justice in Islam, and is not an act of cruelty; it is the natural consequence of a person's choices.
Now, about the idea of eternal punishment:
It is important to understand that Hell is not solely for atheists—it’s for those who reject the truth after it’s been fully and clearly conveyed to them, after they had the opportunity to accept it. The Qur'an doesn’t say that anyone who doesn't believe in God is automatically condemned; it’s about whether they have received the message and knowingly turned away from it:
“Indeed, those who believe and those who are Jews or Christians or Sabeans—whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and does righteousness—will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.” (Qur'an 2:62)
This shows that the message is about truth, righteousness, and ultimately choosing to act upon that truth. Not just disbelief, but the rejection of guidance after receiving it.
Finally, let me leave you with something undeniable:
The Qur'an is a book that holds itself accountable. Allah says:
“Indeed, this Qur’an guides to that which is most suitable...” (Qur'an 17:9)
If the message was wrong or harmful, then the Qur’an itself would not be guiding to that which is best, but instead to harm and destruction. But it doesn’t. The teachings emphasize justice, compassion, mercy, and the betterment of humanity.
So, if you are going to judge Islam, do so by the actual teachings—not the misrepresentations or actions of individuals who fail to embody them. It is a clear and undeniable truth that the Qur’an’s teachings guide to a righteous life, and any cruelty or violence committed by individuals is due to their misuse or misinterpretation of the teachings, not the teachings themselves.
In conclusion, if you are truly seeking the truth, ask yourself: Have you really understood the message of the Qur'an? The real test is not whether you disagree with it, but whether you’ve understood it and evaluated it with an open heart and mind. There’s no denying that the Qur’an guides towards peace, justice, and righteousness when understood and practiced correctly

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And you think bullying doesnt exist in alah-ila schools?

Even with high suicide rates, Japan's life expectancy is higher than in any muslim country, by far. Besides, murder and torture is the worst form of violence. Murders and tortures are very common in muslim countries. Muslims promoted both male and female genital mutilation, as well as constantly killing not just non-muslims, but even other muslims. Muslims promote hate towards gays and trans.
1. Japan vs. Muslim-majority countries comparison:
Yes, Japan faces societal challenges, including bullying, mental health crises, and a high suicide rate. But these issues don’t reflect the nature of the society itself or its broader teachings. Japan is a highly developed country with a different set of social and cultural issues, but that doesn’t mean the entire system is flawed.
Now, comparing life expectancy is misleading without understanding the context. High life expectancy in Japan is due to multiple factors: healthcare system, diet, education, social structure, and low levels of violence. Muslim-majority countries, on the other hand, have a range of socio-economic conditions, some of which face challenges like poverty, political instability, and war, which significantly impact overall health metrics.
2. Violence in Muslim countries:
The violence you mention—murder, torture, mutilation—is not promoted by Islam. Islam condemns unjust violence and emphasizes justice and mercy. The true teachings of Islam reject such practices. The misuse of religion by individuals or political groups doesn’t reflect the core message of Islam. Here's what the Qur'an says:
“Do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden, except by right...” (Qur'an 17:33)
So, Islam does not promote violence. Cultural practices like genital mutilation or inter-group violence are misinterpretations and distortions of religion, influenced by tribal customs or political motives, not the religion itself.
3. On LGBT rights:
The stance on homosexuality in Islam is often misunderstood. While Islamic teachings may not support same-sex marriage, it doesn’t justify hate or violence against individuals. The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) taught mercy and kindness even to those who disagreed with his beliefs. In fact, he forgave those who opposed him, rather than resorting to violence.
4. Rewriting misconceptions:
In reality, Muslim-majority countries span a wide spectrum of cultures, political systems, and religious practices, much like any other religion or group. The actions of extremists or misguided individuals should not define an entire religion.
In conclusion:
The problems you point out in Muslim-majority countries—such as violence, hatred, or extremism—are not inherent to Islam. These actions often arise due to misinterpretations of religious texts or cultural practices that are not part of the true message of Islam. The teachings of Islam emphasize peace, justice, kindness, and mercy. Violence and hatred are antithetical to these teachings, and it is wrong to blame the religion for what individuals may do in its name. Just as you cannot blame the teachings of science for its misuse in weapons, you cannot blame Islam for the actions of extremists or those who fail to understand its true message.


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Before anything else, I want to make it clear: If you're truly seeking the truth, then I'll give it to you—all of it, in its entirety, without holding anything back. But it all starts with your willingness to accept it for what it truly is. The truth isn’t always easy, but it’s always real, and it’s the foundation on which understanding can grow.
When you’re ready, I’m here to walk you through it, step by step. There’s so much more to see when we look beyond surface-level assumptions and open ourselves to the deeper, more meaningful perspectives.
Let’s approach this with hearts open and minds clear—because only then will we be able to fully appreciate the bigger picture.

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How is it possible that someone living in an isolated desert over 1,400 years ago could have known universal truths?
I dont really plan to explain to you how guessing game works. qyuran also said that women who cover themselves wont be raped. alahb is the best of liars.
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First, let’s get some things clear.
It’s Allah (not "alhah")—the Creator, Sustainer, and the Merciful.
No, alhah sounds much better, so I will stick with alhah.

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The punishment for disbelief is not because of the simple denial of a concept—it is for willfully rejecting the truth after it has been made clear. This is a core principle of justice in Islam, and is not an act of cruelty; it is the natural consequence of a person's choices.

Thanks for supporting my argument.
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No, alhah sounds much better, so I will stick with alhah.
"Actually, you’re the one who was claiming that the Islamic texts call names of atheists and others. But now you're having trouble even writing 'Allah' correctly. It’s important to approach these discussions with consistency and respect, especially when we’re talking about something as profound as religious teachings. If you’re going to critique the faith, make sure to do so with accuracy and clarity, without jumping between points."
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I dont really plan to explain to you how guessing game works. qyuran also said that women who cover themselves wont be raped. alahb is the best of liars.
Your skepticism about the Qur'an's teachings is understandable, but dismissing the depth and relevance of its message without deeper exploration only overlooks its profound wisdom. The Qur'an's insights on universal truths—like ethics, science, and social justice—are too consistent and profound to be simply dismissed as coincidence. The idea that an isolated desert dweller could not have known such things is in fact one of the most compelling reasons to consider that the teachings came from beyond human knowledge, as many of the truths it revealed align with modern discoveries.
As for the claim about women covering themselves, it's not about a simple cause-effect relationship; it's about the deeper context of respect, dignity, and modesty, which is emphasized for both men and women. The Qur'an encourages a society where respect for one another leads to the reduction of harm, not a simplistic view of protection.
In every conversation about faith, it's not about proving someone wrong, but about inviting a deeper understanding—are we willing to seek the truth, no matter how uncomfortable it may seem at first?

The idea that the Qur'an’s teachings on modesty directly result in a reduction of violence like rape is often misunderstood. It is important to note that modesty, as prescribed in the Qur'an, is not a simple "cause and effect" statement like "covering equals no rape," but rather a part of a broader societal framework that encourages respect and protection of individual dignity.
Countries with high rates of modest dress and an emphasis on respect for women—such as in some conservative Muslim societies—do experience lower rates of sexual violence compared to countries with looser cultural norms regarding modesty. For instance, some studies have shown that in countries like Saudi Arabia, where modest dress is part of the cultural and legal fabric, the reported incidents of sexual assault and harassment are lower than in Western countries. However, this does not imply that modesty alone eliminates the issue; it is the broader cultural and legal context that reinforces mutual respect and accountability.
On the other hand, the claim that "rape is zero in Muslim countries" is not entirely accurate. It’s a complicated issue shaped by various factors like law enforcement, social norms, and reporting mechanisms, not just by dress codes. There are, of course, instances of sexual violence in many societies, including Muslim-majority countries, but these societies often place a significant emphasis on moral and legal accountability to deter such crimes.
Ultimately, the key is not about proving a direct link between clothing and rape prevention, but understanding that the Qur'an and Islamic teachings emphasize broader values of respect, accountability, and the protection of personal dignity—values that, when truly upheld, reduce harm in society.

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Muslim-majority countries, on the other hand, have a range of socio-economic conditions, some of which face challenges like poverty, political instability, and war, which significantly impact overall health metrics.
Well, yeah, muslim countries are way worse by life expectancy.
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"Actually, you’re the one who was claiming that the Islamic texts call names of atheists and others. But now you're having trouble even writing 'Allah' correctly.
I am writing alhah correctly. Its my label for god of qyuran.
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"I understand that your view might come from personal experiences where you encountered Muslims who didn't follow their faith properly, which might have led to negative impressions. But it’s important to remember that those individuals' actions don’t reflect the true teachings of Islam. What you've experienced is a distortion, not the essence of the religion itself. Islam’s core principles advocate for peace, respect, and understanding, and judging the entire religion based on a few people's failure to practice it properly isn't fair to the faith as a whole."

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I am writing alhah correctly. Its my label for god of qyuran.
"If you want to use 'alhah' as your label, that's your choice. But it's important to understand that when discussing religious texts and beliefs, accuracy in representing names and terms is crucial. 'Allah' is the proper term in the Qur'an, and misrepresenting it only leads to confusion. If you're claiming to understand and critique Islamic texts, it’s essential to be respectful and accurate in how you engage with them, including the use of correct terminology."
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As for the claim about women covering themselves, it's not about a simple cause-effect relationship
Well, alayh said it is. I guess alayh lied.

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Well, yeah, muslim countries are way worse by life expectancy.

"While it's true that some Muslim-majority countries face challenges like political instability and poverty, it's crucial not to generalize. Life expectancy can be influenced by a wide range of factors, including healthcare systems, access to resources, infrastructure, and political stability—none of which are directly tied to religion. For instance, there are Muslim-majority countries like Qatar, the UAE, and Kuwait with high life expectancy rates due to better healthcare and wealth distribution. It's essential to look at the broader picture rather than simply comparing life expectancy in a blanket way."