How Class Warfare Fails Game Theory

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By its nature, warfare is fought between opposing groups with distinct characteristics. We have seen many successful campaigns taken by one race to significantly weaken another or by one culture to significantly weaken another. The stronger country or race or culture is typically self-sufficient, and damage to the opposing force does not have significant negative impacts on the stronger country. If Israel eliminates Palestine, for example, their biggest consequence is international repercussions, and not direct effects of the act itself.

The fight between labor and capital, by contrast, is not so simple. Workers are in a natural state of competition with each other for jobs. That is, workers do not benefit from an additional worker, yet they do benefit from an additional employer. Employers in the same industry are also in a natural state of competition with one another while benefiting from additional laborers. Russia can bomb Ukraine to weaken it, but if a laborer destroys capital, they directly harm their own class as well. It's easy for laborers to agree on talking points, but they can't take significant direct action against employers without harming themselves. Hence, the difficult task of laborers who wish to rebel is to align with near 100% agreement and replace the employers whilst not damaging them to the point that laborers are out of work.

While this is theoretically possible, the division between labor and capital is only one of many ways in which the battle lines can be drawn. Even if US laborers agree to rebel, they can be replaced with Mexican laborers or Canadian laborers. Demanding too much can cause employers to move overseas, and preventing this requires alliances across country borders. Yet at any given time, US laborers might be at odds with Mexican laborers, or white laborers with black laborers, etc. Because of this difficulty, most of this conflict must be solved with negotiations rather than war.

The nearest parallel is probably the relationships between men and women, though there are some differences. It's technically possible to enslave women through superior force. However, a balanced gender ratio is still ideal for an efficient society, as is both groups contributing. So while men and women may argue over their roles or form groups in supposed opposition to each other, both groups typically end up either on equal footing or with respective duties and benefits. An extreme case would be the Taliban, which puts harsh restrictions on everyone but must allow women enough minor freedoms as needed to raise children. Compare this to settler vs native conflicts, where the natives would often just be wiped out. It's telling that in modern society, the groups with the harshest gender restrictions are those that care little about efficiency and don't follow logical game theory.

All this is to say, I don't think we'll be getting a lot of Marxist revolutions any time soon, and I'd be surprised if the global oligarchs from each country could actually agree on anything long enough to take over the world together.
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Labourers can and should tear down employers who take too much. Wealth inequality will break capitalism. You all like to pretend it's not a zero-sum game because of human innovation, because lesser resources are transformed into greater resources. And they are. And that is wealth creation. But it all still begins with a finite set of resources and growing wealth inequality means fewer and fewer own those resources.

Global oligarchs don't need to work together to break the world. They don't need to agree on anything. They just need to keep doing what they're doing and take too much. Eventually the middle class will be a new peasant class tending the gardens of the oligarchs. 
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Capitalism is the gold rush. That's its roots. Men with pickaxes and ambition in a wide open world. Now an increasingly small few own all the land. We'll be lucky if they let us handle rakes. 
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Capitalism is the gold rush. That's its roots. Men with pickaxes and ambition in a wide open world. Now an increasingly small few own all the land. We'll be lucky if they let us handle rakes. 

Survival of the fittest sucks, and any religious person should curse a God that invented it.
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Survival of the fittest sucks, and any religious person should curse a God that invented it.
I think what I said there makes a very clear sort of sense. Give me a non-retarded response.
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Labourers can and should tear down employers who take too much.

Should Laborers also tear down other Laborers who take too much?
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We'll never be in danger of a man building a house for his family. Again, clear and simple sort of sense. All you got is your usual dumb trolling. Easy peasy. 
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Very simple thought experiment here. One person owns everything. What else is anyone else but a gardener begging scraps? That's the trajectory of wealth inequality. 
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Am I making sense here?
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If a man goes to Home Depot, gets a bunch of lumber, and starts building a house, it won't be a private rich person showing up to stop him.
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You're a brainwashed fucking idiot. Whose land is he building it on?
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doesn't matter, even if he builds it on a rich man's land or his own land, it won't be the rich dude that shows up to stop him. 
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Good job, mate. You're a racist troll.
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lul wut?

Maybe that word means something in Ireland, but it has no meaning in America anymore.

But feel free to start hammering on your own land until the sirens show up and yank it out of your hand.
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You think I am making sense here Sidewalker?
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Am I making sense here?
I think employers tend to get too big probably for different reasons than you if we are analyzing the source of the problem.

Regulatory agencies are used by businesses to create high barriers of entry and gain unfair advantages over other businesses.

My theory is remove the source of the problem and the problem goes away.

However if we are going to take a pragmatic approach I would suggest some of the following things.

1. There is a type of circular nature between corporate America and regulatory agencies. We literally had people complaining that the HHS nominee was not a former CEO of an insurance company.

That shit needs to end. The revolving door between healthcare executives and regulators needs to end otherwise it presents a perverse incentive to make beneficial regulations to keep your prospects for a job open once you quit the regulatory agency.

Once you work in government be it the FDA or some other regulatory agencies, you should be banned from working for a private company you regulated. Lower level employees the ban wouldn't apply to but those with real decision making powers.

2. End companies being being able to pay money or create lobbying groups. I get a feeling current Democrats would oppose this though 20 years ago they were calling for it based on how much donations they get from that group now says.

So I would like to see the government influence of corporate America ended and I think a lot of the anti competition laws would end. I also don't believe monopolies cannot exist in competitive environments.

As far as wealth inequality is concerned I don't think it matters. I think what's most important is that poor people can opt out of being poor if they want and can make enough to live a good life.

I know some homeless people who refuse to work and live that way intentionally. I was homeless at one point and I wasn't one of them but I talked to a few. I wouldn't dream of taking away their right to sleep in the woods and dig in trashcan. They equate that with freedom and aren't entirely wrong.

So I would like to see measures taken so those people can recover their life. We would likely disagree with what those measures would be but some stuff we could agree on is perhaps something called "ban the box".

There is no reason an employee should give a shit if an employee has a criminal record in most cases and to limit the options of people who went to prison is stupid. They paid for their crimes. Sure you never want a child molestor working at a daycare but jobs like dishwasher, trashman and janitor at a sex toy shop. Many times these jobs will require a background check and exclude felons. There should be a law that the job is offered prior to a background check and I less the charge makes the person less qualified for the job such as a bank robber working at a bank than it should be illegal for the employer to rescind the offer.

So where were we. Wealth inequality. I don't think it matters so long as paths exist for people to dig themselves out of poverty realistically. Not limited to high IQ healthy people such as myself but everyone should be able to opt out of it by working hard, if they want.

In addition to the ability for the poorest people to live a good life. Corporate influence over government should be ended.
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The very fact of acquiring resources creates a barrier of entry. There was no gold rush if the mountain was owned. This is very fucking obvious stuff. And it's a compounding problem. How were those regulatory agencies bought?

Regulation should be a good thing. 
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The very fact of acquiring resources creates a barrier of entry. There was no gold rush if the mountain was owned.
This is your source of the problem. 
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Regulation should be a good thing. 
The problem with regulation and why it becomes corrupt over time is because it's based on coercion, anti-freedom and theft. While people can and will say, stealing from evil people is practical, moral, and just, the underlying mechanism inherently leads toward corruption.

Compare and contrast this with principles that are based on freedom and liberty.
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The regulatory agencies were bought by the wealthy.

For example prior to the FadA existing Most of our food was bought in Mom and pop shops.

So we had a lot of competition. The competition was not eliminated until the regulatory agency was created this giving the corporate controlled government more power. Now 80% of our food supply is from the biggest food companies.

If you could step in and stop the FDA from being created this would have stopped that sort of thing from happening.

A lot of regulatory agencies were created during that time which eliminated competition.

If you think about it it makes sense. If you own a farm and are bringing eggs to the farmers market every day to sell to your community, then the government comes in and creates regulations that take 20 employees and a million dollars to comply with, what happens to that business?

As we can see from history even if owning the farm is a high barrier to entry the added barrier created by regulations makes it so the market is consolidated to a few corporations.

You could see it with open AI. What did they do when they immediately, essentially had a monopoly? They went to the government and begged for the market to be regulated so they could shut out competitors?

They knew the barrier of entry wasn't high enough and tried to make it higher. The same happened with Sam Bankman Fried . He begged for regulatory agencies to step in with crypto markets .

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I have no problem with the idea that regulatory bodies can be weaponised. But it's still very obvious that's the compounding problem of wealth inequality. Mom and pops can't afford a house these days, let alone a shop. And regulation should be and can be a good thing. 
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GP is all buzzwords and no brain. 
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Capitalism is the gold rush. That's its roots. Men with pickaxes and ambition in a wide open world. Now an increasingly small few own all the land. We'll be lucky if they let us handle rakes. 
I think this captures the essence of it and quite poetically if I do say so myself.
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buzzwords?

you are the one tossing hackneyed words like racist around to describe anything and everything.
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I think this captures the essence of it and quite poetically if I do say so myself.

Yes, considering almost nobody is rich off of gold in California anymore. Capitalism made sand more valuable than gold in silicon valley. 
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racist
It's what you are. A dumb cunt mouthpiece for the elites who are tossing you the bone of preferential treatment because you're white.

That's the only sense to make of you.

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tell us how you really feel about the antiquated science of skin
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the bone of preferential treatment because you're white.
I imagine if I wore my pants around my ass and spoke Redneck English that my skin color wouldn't open many doors up for me.

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I don't know why that logic is so popular when they are literally creating race quotas for places they deem as too white or lowering standards because places are top Chinese. We have white FAA people suing because they literally scored perfect on the exam and are denied a job because of people less perfect. We also have Indian students with high MCAT scores having to sue colleges because they allowed students in with lower MCAT scores
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Racism has always been the scapegoat of the bourgeoisie.


Racism is the classic tool of division used by the bourgeoisie, the ruling class, to distract the working masses from the deeper, more pressing issues of class inequality and economic exploitation. It's how the powerful elites maintain control by preventing solidarity among working-class people of all races, thereby keeping them focused on superficial divisions rather than the shared economic struggles they face due to the concentration of wealth and power. It deflects attention from the systemic corruption and economic systems (the things Doge is working to dismantle) that disproportionately benefit the few while keeping the many in poverty.

The Bourgeoisie class makes sure that the working class spends all their valuable time and effort directing their anger and frustration toward one another, rather than uniting against the true cause of their suffering: the corrupt system itself. This manufactured war is what keeps the status quo  in place, with the elite benefiting from both economic and racial divisions. We saw this with the whole ESG bullshit.

Racism is the pervasive scapegoat that perpetuates the power dynamics that allow the rich to stay rich and the poor to stay oppressed, all while diverting attention from the genuine structural issues like crony regulations and crony capitalism. That scapegoat is currently on life support as the American society moves to reject that narrative.

It really doesn't matter if the preferred skin color was white 50 years ago or black today, the point is to continue the manufactured war to sustain the current system.