How Class Warfare Fails Game Theory

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Relative wealth give meaning to relationships, job security, social status on a temporary basis whereas absolute wealth makes the same relationships, job security, social status permanent.
I don't agree with that framing. For example, consider being a king in an ancient civilisation, compared to living on welfare, or working in some temporary minimum wage position in the current year. Maybe the person on welfare is living, technically, with more comfort than a king thousands of years ago. But their position is much more precarious, their relationships are less secure. This is not improved merely by raising the overall level of absolute wealth. It is a function of the levelling of wealth, in other words, equality.

There is a complex relationship between the two, since the improvement also creates a kind of floor. But we can see, that there is a growing pool of people with absolutely no relationships, whose work is more precarious, who own nothing. This is clearly a dangerous situation, and it doesn't need to be that way.
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their position is much more precarious, their relationships are less secure
Kings got assassinated by family members all the time.
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Maybe the person on welfare is living, technically, with more comfort than a king thousands of years ago. 
No king would give up his kingdom to live on modern welfare. You are being absurd.
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No king would give up his kingdom to live on modern welfare.
Yeah because someone that involved in politics is obviously willing to risk a lot to rule a kingdom. But I'm betting most people if given the option would rather have today's living standards. Maybe they think they'd rather be king, but give them a taste of both lifestyles and I'm betting they'd rather get handouts than spend their life pooping in a bucket.
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Yeah because someone that involved in politics is obviously willing to risk a lot to rule a kingdom. But I'm betting most people if given the option would rather have today's living standards. Maybe they think they'd rather be king, but give them a taste of both lifestyles and I'm betting they'd rather get handouts than spend their life pooping in a bucket.
Even today people who live on welfare are ashamed to be on it.
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Even today people who live on welfare are ashamed to be on it.
Still better than pooping in a bucket.
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Even today people who live on welfare are ashamed to be on it.
Still better than pooping in a bucket.
Alternating between a throne and a poop bucket is still better than living on welfare handouts.
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better than living on welfare handouts.
How do you think the king makes a living?
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better than living on welfare handouts.
How do you think the king makes a living?
His subjects pay him tribute and royalty. He also sets the tax rate for the people. Note several sources of income.
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Still paid through taxes
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Still paid through taxes
The taxes are the sum total of taxes collected from his people.
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The taxes are the sum total of taxes collected from his people.
Yeah, that's where welfare comes from.
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The taxes are the sum total of taxes collected from his people.

Yeah, that's where welfare comes from

Only a portion of taxes go towards welfare.
Do taxes pay welfare?
That's how it works. The government taxes the incomes of its citizens to pay for government expenses that we all benefit from. That includes things like the military, civilian air traffic control, bridges, embassies, hospitals, police, fire protection, prisons, welfare, health care, you name it!

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Exactly. If welfare is shameful, then so is being a king who gets their salary from taxes.
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Exactly. If welfare is shameful, then so is being a king who gets their salary from taxes.
Kings get to take their cut from the top unlike welfare which starts at the bottom.
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Kings get to take their cut from the top unlike welfare which starts at the bottom.
Hardly relevant. It's all money from the same pot.