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The "that's a hammer, i'm town btw" was just very suspicious.
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@AustinL0926
Stay strong with me on the wylted path. We got this. Don't let wylted manipulate town into a needless mislynch. 
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I mean you can dislike the post but it's likely a 6v1 or 5v1v1 (if there is 3P which I doubt) and you are tweaking out over you being town to a degree I have not seen in a while. Almost as if you are panicking for losing GP in DP1. Why are you even going crazy too? You flip town and it's likely a 4v1 and Wylted becomes a top scum read.
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@Savant
The "that's a hammer, i'm town btw" was just very suspicious.
Why? It's NAI at best. 
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I mean you can dislike the post but it's likely a 6v1 or 5v1v1 (if there is 3P which I doubt) and you are tweaking out over you being town to a degree I have not seen in a while. Almost as if you are panicking for losing GP in DP1. Why are you even going crazy too? You flip town and it's likely a 4v1 and Wylted becomes a top scum read.
Why would he care so much if scum? Who would want to carry a game like that as scum to the point where it's obvious he would never make it to a lylo situation anyway, he would be delaying the inevitable. There's literally no point, and he is needlessly making his job harder. Think about this. Also why the hell is wylted not scummy to you? 
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I mean you can dislike the post but it's likely a 6v1 or 5v1v1 (if there is 3P which I doubt) and you are tweaking out over you being town to a degree I have not seen in a while. Almost as if you are panicking for losing GP in DP1. Why are you even going crazy too? You flip town and it's likely a 4v1 and Wylted becomes a top scum read.
Why would he care so much if scum? Who would want to carry a game like that as scum to the point where it's obvious he would never make it to a lylo situation anyway, he would be delaying the inevitable. There's literally no point, and he is needlessly making his job harder. Think about this. Also why the hell is wylted not scummy to you? 
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Why? It's NAI at best. 
It might be if it wasn't for the post like a second after. Austin making sure we don't miss his "town slip."
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Also no offense, but the last time I remember you defending Austin like this, he was scum.
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I DONT CARE about convincing people that I'm town. I literally said I'm fine being lynched tmrw.

I care about having an alignment check tonight via jailkeep.

Literally everything I've been doing this day has been to give town the best chance to win after my inevitable mislynch and I'm getting treated like crap for it.

It feels like you're misinterpreting my posts and I dunno if it's intentional or not and frankly at this point I'm just over it.

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VTL Austin

I don't know if there is some kind of mechanic that gives scum way too much extra DP time. But at this point Austin has been moving the needle too much. It's pretty obvious he's trying to prevent himself from being lynched at some point. If he was truly town, he wouldn't fight this hard, knowing that we already have 1 mafia killed at this point. Resorting to something of the lines of (Wylted wants to hammer because of some insta win mechanic) just reeks of desperation at this point. As for him psuedo confirming, this is not true at all. There is so many ways that scum can set this up in the favor. Only scum are trying to buy themselves a DP. I don't care what anyone says. I think Austin is just panicking after going down in the lynch and needs to pull off a mislynch to try and shift blame off him. I did the same thing in Choose Your Roles when Savant RB'd me and try to stir it as Savant being a liar. 

The only reason I am reading Savant as town is because of my role and his role. Not because Austin JK'd him. The logic is flawed and this coming off as pretty desperate from Austin's part

Supa if you are town you are making a mistake brother. Nothing austin is doing makes any sense to do as scum. The logic just isnt there. 

Realistically speaking assuming no batshit crazy mechanic is in play, it's a 6v1 right now. Even if austin flips town for some reason, it is LIKELY a 4v1. From there we can put pressure on Wylted. You don't think Austin is asking strange in anyway? Why would Austin as town be SOO concerned mechanically with not being lynched today when we already lynched 1 scum. It just doesn't make sense. I also don't buy that he's confirms anyone. There's so many other options to explain no NK happening if Austin jails someone. He can easily just waive a NK and claim they should be lynched and buy himself more time and scum.

Austin needs to get this mislynch off as scum because then he can say he jailed someone and then push to mislynch them and say "WELL IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ME LYNCH ME NEXT DP"

Sorry don't buy it. If I'm wrong then shit I'm wrong and I get why some would sus me but I can't see a logical reason why he would freak out like this when town are clearly advantaged
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I DONT CARE about convincing people that I'm town. I literally said I'm fine being lynched tmrw.

I care about having an alignment check tonight via jailkeep.

Jailkeeping does not alignment check at all
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@Savant
It might be if it wasn't for the post like a second after. Austin making sure we don't miss his "town slip."
I see a passionate townie. 

Also no offense, but the last time I remember you defending Austin like this, he was scum.
Yeah but I was just right about GP last day phase, so I clearly am not wrong all the time.
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I don't think you're bad at reading people in general, I just think you might have a blindspot for Austin in particular.
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Jailkeeping does not alignment check at all
Yes it does. There is one scum, a jailkept scum cannot carry out the night kill. If he jailkeeps someone and the night kill happens, that person is confirmed town. Get it?
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I mean you can dislike the post but it's likely a 6v1 or 5v1v1 (if there is 3P which I doubt) and you are tweaking out over you being town to a degree I have not seen in a while. Almost as if you are panicking for losing GP in DP1. Why are you even going crazy too? You flip town and it's likely a 4v1 and Wylted becomes a top scum read.
Why would he care so much if scum? Who would want to carry a game like that as scum to the point where it's obvious he would never make it to a lylo situation anyway, he would be delaying the inevitable. There's literally no point, and he is needlessly making his job harder. Think about this. Also why the hell is wylted not scummy to you? 
Austin seems like the type of person to care alot about this game and pushing it. If he's scum he can theoretically move this into a MYLO situation if he plays his cards right and he knows it lol... i'm not buying he's doing it for the good of the town. 

Wylted is also in my POE and I am not ruling him out, but I am voting on my stronger read that I have held consistently throughout DP1 to DP2 ...
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I see a passionate townie.
If he was passionate, why say "I'm town btw" instead of "you people are gonna regret this" or something? Like, it goes without saying that he's still claiming town unless he confesses.
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Jailkeeping does not alignment check at all
Yes it does. There is one scum, a jailkept scum cannot carry out the night kill. If he jailkeeps someone and the night kill happens, that person is confirmed town. Get it?
So what's stopping Austin from waiving the kill, saying "OMG I JAILKEPT (insert whoever), WE NEED TO VOTE HIM" and then saying "IF YOU VOTE (insert whoever), THEN YOU CAN VOTE ME NEXT DP," take it to MYLO and then try to convince someone that he's not scum and set him up and having you, whoever, and himself as a top 3 with you townreading him

Yeah GG
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Realistically speaking assuming no batshit crazy mechanic is in play, it's a 6v1 right now. Even if austin flips town for some reason, it is LIKELY a 4v1. From there we can put pressure on Wylted.
Why not do this in the reverse order? You help me lynch wylted today, I help you lynch austin tomorrow. Guaranteed. I promise. If I lie, lynch me because I would be scum. I will 100% vote austin with you. If austin is town we can afford his play and we get a town confirm. There is benefit to lynching austin second in this order as opposed to him before wylted. 
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I see a passionate townie.
If he was passionate, why say "I'm town btw" instead of "you people are gonna regret this" or something? Like, it goes without saying that he's still claiming town unless he confesses.

This is a nothing issue IMO
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I'm done with explaining basic mechanics lol.

As far as I'm concerned, I've sold my lynch dearly. Just listen to my legacy, don't get sidetracked, and hold the people lynching town accountable.

Luna is town.
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Realistically speaking assuming no batshit crazy mechanic is in play, it's a 6v1 right now. Even if austin flips town for some reason, it is LIKELY a 4v1. From there we can put pressure on Wylted.
Why not do this in the reverse order? You help me lynch wylted today, I help you lynch austin tomorrow. Guaranteed. I promise. If I lie, lynch me because I would be scum. I will 100% vote austin with you. If austin is town we can afford his play and we get a town confirm. There is benefit to lynching austin second in this order as opposed to him before wylted. 

Because I guarantee Austin would waive a kill to try and set someone up because that's the only way he has a chance of surviving another DP.

In fact why are so you adament on getting Wylted now when the same logic can be put into place for my plan
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You don't think Austin is asking strange in anyway? 
Behaviorally to me, is a confirmed town. I stand by my opening post to this day phase, I just don't see austin playing this the way he has as scum. 

Why would Austin as town be SOO concerned mechanically with not being lynched today when we already lynched 1 scum.
Because if he is town, he can literally help solve the game by narrowing down the scum team with his jailkeep. With his plan he dies no matter what, so even if you think he is scum its a win win for us as town. There's literally no downside to following austins plan here.

 I also don't buy that he's confirms anyone. There's so many other options to explain no NK happening if Austin jails someone. 

Like what, doctor is already dead?

He can easily just waive a NK and claim they should be lynched and buy himself more time and scum.
Doesn't matter, with his plan we lynch him anyway, if hes scum we win. There is no benefit to him doing this if we lynch him next phase. And I promise I will. 

Austin needs to get this mislynch off as scum because then he can say he jailed someone and then push to mislynch them and say "WELL IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ME LYNCH ME NEXT DP"
Nope. No matter what with this plan, austin dies the next day phase. Town will have a huge poe pool if austin flips town, and if he dies, he accomplished absolutely nothing but delaying the inevitable by one day phase. 

Sorry don't buy it. If I'm wrong then shit I'm wrong and I get why some would sus me but I can't see a logical reason why he would freak out like this when town are clearly advantaged
I think you are town here, I don't blame you for being wrong about this, I just think you aren't seeing the full picture so I am trying to explain it to you there is no downside to this.
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So what's stopping Austin from waiving the kill, saying "OMG I JAILKEPT (insert whoever), WE NEED TO VOTE HIM" and then saying "IF YOU VOTE (insert whoever), THEN YOU CAN VOTE ME NEXT DP," take it to MYLO and then try to convince someone that he's not scum and set him up and having you, whoever, and himself as a top 3 with you townreading him

Yeah GG

There is no risk here. We are lynching austin no matter what next day phase. I PROMISE. I'll lynch him even fully believing he is town. Because the POE this will help us with is much more valuable. There is no reason not to lynch wylted first in this situation trust me. Open your mind to this please!
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I can't see a logical reason why he would freak out like this when town are clearly advantaged
If I had a nickel for every game where town lost a clearly advantaged game because they didn't take the advantages they could get, I would have somewhere in the range of 30-50 nickels across the games I've seen on DART and elsewhere.

You're experienced enough that I kinda expected you would know better. I mean, w/e, I know it's tempting to go for the easy answer, but you *are* going to regret not having narrowed down the POE in the slightest tomorrow.
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There is no risk here. We are lynching austin no matter what next day phase. I PROMISE. I'll lynch him even fully believing he is town. Because the POE this will help us with is much more valuable. There is no reason not to lynch wylted first in this situation trust me. Open your mind to this please!
Just adding to this:

I support this. As I've already said, I'm fine with being lynched tomorrow regardless of my results.

I'll even self-vote.
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I don't think you're bad at reading people in general, I just think you might have a blindspot for Austin in particular.
Maybe, the game you are referencing was a while back and austin was a relatively newer player then. I have had more games played with him. Regardless of how I view his behavior, the logic behind the plan being outlined is pretty flawless. In this plan he gets lynched regardless. We are just reversing the order to pressure wylted first, and no matter what austin dies tomorrow. Even with me fully buying he is town I will follow through with this plan as should everyone else in the off chance he is fooling us. No matter what if austin is scum he loses. If he is town, we get valuable POE and can take scum to the endgame. I literally cannot see the issue with this plan unless there is a very specific recruiting role, which There is 0 basis to believe there is. Recruiting roles are extremely rare here because they don't balance well into 9 player games, you need 15-20 players for those roles not to be considered wildly OP. At most he's a yakuza, which doesn't effect numbers much anyway, but if he was a yak he is retarded for not using it np1 anyway, and the role really doesn't hurt us all that much numbers wise. 
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Meant to tag savant in the last post, not austin
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You don't think Austin is asking strange in anyway? 
Behaviorally to me, is a confirmed town. I stand by my opening post to this day phase, I just don't see austin playing this the way he has as scum. 

I guess I read it different

Why would Austin as town be SOO concerned mechanically with not being lynched today when we already lynched 1 scum.
Because if he is town, he can literally help solve the game by narrowing down the scum team with his jailkeep. With his plan he dies no matter what, so even if you think he is scum its a win win for us as town. There's literally no downside to following austins plan here.
So like I said, he fakes that he caught someone by waiving a kill, what are you going to do then

 I also don't buy that he's confirms anyone. There's so many other options to explain no NK happening if Austin jails someone. 
Like what, doctor is already dead?
Like uhh, mafia waive the kill to frame someone. Think
Wylted gets the lynch on him, he flips town 5v1
Austin waives the kill but as scum RB, hypothetically RB's let's say WF
WF get's lynched, 4v1
Savant is killed in the NP, 3v1
Then it's you, me, austin, casey. If he gets a mislynch off town lose boom comeback of all time

He can easily just waive a NK and claim they should be lynched and buy himself more time and scum.
Doesn't matter, with his plan we lynch him anyway, if hes scum we win. There is no benefit to him doing this if we lynch him next phase. And I promise I will. 
You can promise all you want until he comes in and tries to frame someone with his "JAIL"

Austin needs to get this mislynch off as scum because then he can say he jailed someone and then push to mislynch them and say "WELL IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ME LYNCH ME NEXT DP"
Nope. No matter what with this plan, austin dies the next day phase. Town will have a huge poe pool if austin flips town, and if he dies, he accomplished absolutely nothing but delaying the inevitable by one day phase. 
I think you can argue the same thing for Wylted

Sorry don't buy it. If I'm wrong then shit I'm wrong and I get why some would sus me but I can't see a logical reason why he would freak out like this when town are clearly advantaged
I think you are town here, I don't blame you for being wrong about this, I just think you aren't seeing the full picture so I am trying to explain it to you there is no downside to this.


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So like I said, he fakes that he caught someone by waiving a kill, what are you going to do then
I vote myself, y'all lynch me, and then trust my results afterward?

We have three lynches to spare, not two.

Dunno, seems pretty simple.
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To be clear, even if I guilty someone, I am always going to be lynched first, and I'm fine with that.