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You know the difference, but you’re nitpicking anyway.
Sorry, but when you post something ridiculous like "USA has never done tariffs since Hitler" I have to get clarification
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Sorry, but when you post something ridiculous like "USA has never done tariffs since Hitler" I have to get clarification
Let’s not pretend that you didn’t know what I was talking about or why the difference matters. This is you getting pedantic for the sake of it, so the idea that you had to get clarification on an issue you clearly understand well enough to know the difference is just silly. 
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I had issues with many of your other claims, but your visceral reaction signals to me that the conversation is over.
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GP, when we started this conversation and up to the point that you posted that response, my impression was that we at least had a degree of mutual respect for each other’s positions. That kind of respect, even if it lacks much in the way of agreement, is a prerequisite for me to engage in long form discussions like this in a forum. There’s a reason I haven’t done it in a while.

If you want to troll me and be pedantic instead of engaging with my points, then yeah, it might be better for this to end. It’s not the way I wanted it to go, but if we’re going to hit this roadblock again instead of continuing to discuss the policy we’ve both been focused on before that, then it’s probably not worth either of our time.
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I’m just speculating here, and time will tell, of course, but perhaps Trump is coming out swinging against historic allies for two possible objectives:

1. Nations hostile to the US will see is and think, “If this is how he treats his allies, what might he do to us?!” Not that they would ever admit it.

2. Allies will think, “I think we might be more on our own with this guy in charge of the US. Perhaps we DO need to allot more towards our military strength.”

And, of course, the never out of fashion TDS reason:
3. He’s just a fvcking idiot!
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He’s just a fvcking idiot!
And a convicted criminal.
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Yes
Trump will Make America Gag Again.
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@whiteflame
GP, when we started this conversation and up to the point that you posted that response, my impression was that we at least had a degree of mutual respect for each other’s positions. That kind of respect, even if it lacks much in the way of agreement, is a prerequisite for me to engage in long form discussions like this in a forum. There’s a reason I haven’t done it in a while.
Understandable though I wish it was different . Your participation in these threads as a type of leader here raises the level of the conversation that is usually missing.
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I’ll note that that is also the reason you and I have had so many conversations on a wide variety of topics despite often disagreeing, but yeah, sadly that’s the rare experience. 
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GP, when we started this conversation and up to the point that you posted that response, my impression was that we at least had a degree of mutual respect for each other’s positions. That kind of respect, even if it lacks much in the way of agreement, is a prerequisite for me to engage in long form discussions like this in a forum. There’s a reason I haven’t done it in a while.

If you want to troll me and be pedantic instead of engaging with my points, then yeah, it might be better for this to end. It’s not the way I wanted it to go, but if we’re going to hit this roadblock again instead of continuing to discuss the policy we’ve both been focused on before that, then it’s probably not worth either of our time.
Too bad, I was starting to enjoy reading your posts.
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Too bad, I was starting to enjoy reading your posts
Sorry to disappoint, but I’m happy to engage with anyone who is willing to do this right. I’ve already made my opinion on this clear, might jump around to some other related topics.
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But so is bitcoin.
Just as I said; there's more to investment than the NYSE. But bitcoin, at present, seems too volatile and searching for an identity.
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Something I am sure most Americans are entirely oblivious to is this:

EU has had that in place since 1958.

There's also instances where Australia and Brazil imposed across the board Tariffs in the past 50 years.

If this is how we let our "Allies" treat us... we deserve what we get.
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I haven't been tracking your conversation with whiteflame to know who is right, just expressing empathy towards what he feels.
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I don't care about "winning", I am not going to do serious talk when someone gets emotional.
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@whiteflame
"Trump is responsible for the reduction and I'm granting that, " Then what the fuck else is there to talk about? All the actions had the end result. 
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"Trump is responsible for the reduction and I'm granting that, " Then what the fuck else is there to talk about? All the actions had the end result. 
Because the title of this post, and the subject of my argument thus far, has been and remains that this specific action - the use of tariffs to get concessions out of other countries - has not contributed to that reduction in any meaningful way. Some of his actions had that result, not all of them. And yes, it matters that we know what policies lead to what result. Simply saying "Trump did it so it must have worked" tells us nothing about what was effective or why.
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You know, seems to me that Trump should create his own form of the EU (an exclusionary economic zone that tariffs the fuck out of non-member countries)

How about AEZ (American economic zone) and exclude all our allies that don't leave the EU and join us.
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But so is bitcoin.
Just as I said; there's more to investment than the NYSE. But bitcoin, at present, seems too volatile and searching for an identity
Trump endorsed cryptocurrency. That’s a strong identity for starters.
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His original ideal behind the tarrifs is that he wants to renegotiate every single trade agreement one by one. While previous administrations cared about win win situations, Trump just cares about getting the best deal imaginable for the American people.
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His original ideal behind the tarrifs is that he wants to renegotiate every single trade agreement one by one. While previous administrations cared about win win situations, Trump just cares about getting the best deal imaginable for the American people.
Are tariffs good or bad?
The findings suggest that tariffs have a detrimental effect on output, with the negative effect larger for higher tariff increases and persisting over time, at least over the next four years or so. The residualized growth tends to be in negative territory in all four years following an increase in protectionism.

Was Trump's trade war with China successful?
After the trade war escalated through 2019, in January 2020 the two sides reached a tense phase-one agreement. By the end of Trump's first presidency, the trade war was widely characterized as a failure for the United States.

Trump wants to renegotiate his own trade deal with Mexico and Canada that he signed in 2018.
Trump signed onto the US-Mexico-Canada Agreement, or USMCA, in 2018. It took effect in January 2020 and replaced NAFTA.
In 2018, Trump said the USMCA would be “the most modern, up-to-date, and balanced trade agreement in the history of our country, with the most advanced protections for workers ever developed.”
But now, he thinks it can be improved.


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The findings 

lol, git wrekt.
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I stated earlier that tariffs were used to compel countries that refused to repatriate.
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I stated earlier that tariffs were used to compel countries that refused to repatriate.
How does that apply to Mexico, Canada and China?
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I stated earlier that tariffs were used to compel countries that refused to repatriate.
Shila covered my response. Yes, he can bully countries like Colombia into accepting repatriation, so there is some benefit (in terms of getting them to go somewhere else) for using tariffs as a cudgel. That doesn’t mean that the focus of this post, the tariffs threatened against Mexico, Canada and China, did anything functionally positive.