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@Sidewalker
Sorry, I don't speak white trash, just don't know what that means
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@WyIted
that's suddenly been handed the nuclear codes.
Dude is suddenly spergging today despite the fact Hitler had the codes for 4 years 8 years ago....
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@WyIted
That was an omnibus bill with a lot of stupid shit in it and less serious than the efforts being taken
Please explain what was in it that warranted not supporting it. I have yet to hear a single MAGA supporter provide a coherent argument.
and no Mexico never had 10k troops on the Mexico America border
"WASHINGTON (AP) — The Biden administration has struck an agreement with Mexico, Honduras and Guatemala to temporarily surge security forces to their borders in an effort to reduce the tide of migration to the U.S. border.
The agreement comes as the U.S. saw a record number of unaccompanied children attempting to cross the border in March, and the largest number of Border Patrol encounters overall with migrants on the southern border — just under 170,000 — since March 2001.
According to White House press secretary Jen Psaki, Mexico will maintain a deployment of about 10,000 troops, while Guatemala has surged 1,500 police and military personnel to its southern border and Honduras deployed 7,000 police and military to its border “to disperse a large contingent of migrants” there. Guatemala will also set up 12 checkpoints along the migratory route through the country.
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On Monday, Mexico’s Foreign Affairs ministry said, “Mexico will maintain the existing deployment of federal forces in the its border area, with the objective of enforcing its own immigration legislation, to attend to migrants, mainly unaccompanied minors, and to combat the trafficking of people.”
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@Double_R
Well damn, you just convinced me to not Vote for Trump.
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@Greyparrot
Why are you here? Seriously, what is the point of frequenting a debate site when all you're going to do is say stupid things?
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@Double_R
It's great to understand the minds of domestic terrorists.
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@Double_R
Why are you here? Seriously, what is the point of frequenting a debate site when all you're going to do is say stupid things?
He is showing early signs of senility. That is why he identifies with Biden.
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@Double_R
In what part of the bill $75000 was set aside to help fund a trans museum. The bill is thousands of pages long though and I pointed out one problem. Please read and research every page and tell me how every single item benefits the United states
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@WyIted
In what part of the bill $75000 was set aside to help fund a trans museum.
While I am sure this claim is complete and total BS, I'm not even going to bother fact checking that because it's a downright silly thing to focus on. It's a $118 billion bill, do you have any examples that account for, I don't know, a tenth of one percent of it?
The bill is thousands of pages long though and I pointed out one problem. Please read and research every page and tell me how every single item benefits the United states
Oh please, don't sit here and pretend that you read this entire bill yourself.
My conviction that right wingers have no legitimate substantive issues with this bill comes from the fact that this was literally written by republicans as a negotiating tool that was supposed to be put against items the Democratic party wanted as a compromise, coupled with the fact that I've heard hours worth of right wingers explaining what they take issue with and none of them are able to make a coherent case. If anyone had a better argument I'm quite sure I would have heard it by now.
What is your conviction based on? A $75k provision in a $118 billion dollar bill? Really?
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@Double_R
What is your conviction based on? A $75k provision in a $118 billion dollar bill? Really?
You literally refuse to explain how the bill did more good than harm and admit you didn't read it. I pointed an example of one bad thing and you are moving the goal posts. What next you ask for 5 bad things and then you go "well that's not 10 things"
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@WyIted
You literally refuse to explain how the bill did more good than harm
I don't need to, the bill was written by one of the most conservative republicans in Congress. So unless you're seriously going to argue that this was some left wing bill, you have no ground at the outset to stand on.
And meanwhile, you literally refuse how it did more harm than good, so look in the mirror.
and admit you didn't read it
You didn't read it either
I pointed an example of one bad thing and you are moving the goal posts
It's not moving the goal posts, it's common sense. I asked you to show how voting against the bill is unwarranted and you came back with one provision (that you didn't even cite or explain where it is so it could be verified) that amounts to 0.00004% of the bill. That doesn't logically follow.
What next you ask for 5 bad things and then you go "well that's not 10 things"
What next is that explain to you how evaluating a bill isn't about counting good vs bad provisions and going with the higher number. It's about looking at the real world effects of the bill and determining whether the good outweighs the bad. This is again, common sense.
75k towards any museum pales in comparison to the millions that would have been spent on more agents, better equipment to stop fentanyl from getting passed checkpoints (where it's actually coming in from), and changing our asylum laws which is what the crisis over the past few years is actually about. Your argument so far is like saying you don't want the brand new house that was offered to you because you don't like the paint color used in one of it's 6 bedrooms.
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@Double_R
the bill was written by one of the most conservative republicans in Congress
All the more reason to suspect foul play.
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@Greyparrot
If the bill were written by democrats that would be bad, of it is written by republicans that would be bad.
When either of the only two outcomes both affirm your position, that should be a red flag to you that your position is not based in reality or any coherent set of principals.
But that would only matter to people who care about those silly little concepts.
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@Double_R
Lol, no. It's a bad bill because it's a bad bill. Having a partisan hack write it just makes it even worse.
It never ceases to amaze me the amount of faith some people have in partisan hacks.
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@Greyparrot
So canada is spending 1.3 billion more on border security. 0.02 of fentynal comes from there. So let's say peobably way over optimistically that they cut that in half. How much is it Worth to you to reduce flow by 0.01? Also are you really confident they will reduce flow by half? And are you sure you're not one of those conservatives who say the war on drugs is stupid except when conservatives are the ones doing it. I mean u do seem like someone with no principles other than defending all the stupid stuff conservatives do.
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@n8nrgim
I don't trust statistics tracking illegal entry, because no enforcement means we are just guessing numbers.
Let's revise those numbers after we see enforcement.
u do seem like someone with no principles other than defending all the stupid stuff conservatives do.
You mean like the thousands of protesters in Denver waving Mexican flags after over 100 Tren De Aragua cartel members were deported?
Save your fake pontification for your bubble.
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@Greyparrot
So instead of talking about the wisdom of Canadian tariffs u r talking about Mexican even though I admit that could make a difference.
And instead of admitting a billion dollars in Canadian spending probsbly won't change much, you use gut speak to double down on stating "it's just gotta change something". Plus you didn't engage in my stats other than to dismiss them.
All I see from you is gut speak and diversion tactics.
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@n8nrgim
And instead of admitting a billion dollars in Canadian spending probably won't change much,
Why would I trust statistics about what goes over the border illegally when there's no enforcement?
Why would you for that matter?
"it's just gotta change something".
Maybe it will, maybe it won't, but at least there's a way to get an idea of what is actually happening instead of just guessing numbers and giving up.
All I see from you is gut speak and diversion tactics.
You certainly never complained when Democrats were for a strong Border before Trump ran...
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@Greyparrot
Why do you say there was no enforcement when we pointed out there was lots of enforcement already?
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@n8nrgim
Why do you say there was no enforcement when we pointed out there was lots of enforcement already?
Because you didn't. I asked for evidence of the money being actually spent and the personnel actually being on the border, and you dug your heels in with some garbage MSNBC opinion piece saying what "ought to be" from the testimony of "my expert"
I asked simply for an alternative source that showed actual enforcement, and you said "fuck off radical"
Who is the partisan hack here?
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@n8nrgim
Even Canadian media admits they don't know the full story of what goes over.
The only statistics we have is what we seize and what we catch, we have no clue about what gets past.
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@Greyparrot
You asked what future things the tariffs will accomplish not about past things. But to answer your question I don't know.
I'll just leave this here tho...
“Would you threaten to burn down the house of your friendly neighbor to get some salt or sugar from them?” said Daniel Beland, a political science professor at McGill University in Montreal. “President Trump’s approach to bargaining is destructive, and it erodes trust. Most Canadians are unlikely to forget what just happened, even if his tariffs are never imposed upon Canada.”
I have also been reading about material suppliers from Canada changing from USA buyers to other countries, due to instability, even after trump lifted the tariffs.
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@n8nrgim
Have you also read about who is going to be the next Canadian PM?
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@n8nrgim
You asked what future things the tariffs will accomplish not about past things. But to answer your question I don't know.
yeah, and I don't know either, but having enforcement is one way to get a handle on what's actually getting trafficked. If you are going to regulate, you need enforcement.
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@n8nrgim
I'll just leave this here tho...“Would you threaten to burn down the house of your friendly neighbor to get some salt or sugar from them?”
That's hilarious because the inverse is the true case, where the neighbor stops providing sugar to a neighbor that is setting fires along the fenceline...
Leave it to professional politicians to flip the script, lol!
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@Greyparrot
where the neighbor stops providing sugar to a neighbor that is setting fires along the fenceline
I do hate people who make fires in their yard.
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@Greyparrot
No it's like a friendly neighbor sometimes has visitors who r bad people. You threaten to burn his house down so the neighbor only has the visitors come on the weekend even tho they still come.
I've found lots of credible authority who say trumps Canadian tariffs were way out of proportion to the goal. Do u have any credible authority besides fox and Trump sycophants?
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@n8nrgim
No, I believe you, from the Canadian side and your Canadian sources, they were definitely being overly pressured. This is part of America first, for better or worse.
In a democracy, if an American has to choose between helping Canadians or helping Americans, you know who is going to win.
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@Greyparrot
It's a bad bill because it's a bad bill.
lol well there you have it. You've convinced me with your onslaught of facts and logic.
It never ceases to amaze me the amount of faith some people have in [right wing podcasters].
Fixed.