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@Reece
The Ultimate Reality is God.
This God certainly exists.
The insecurity of atheists, and why they spam theist forums on a daily basis
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@Polytheist-Witch
I was going by his logic. Read what He said at #81. He was asking for evidence.
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@Mopac
And I could say the ultimate reality is anything.
When it comes down to it, it's still a claim.
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@Reece
No, it isn't a claim.
It is a definition.
And that is what I mean when I say God. My God certainly exists.
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@Mopac
Okay, if that's your definition.
I would just call it the cosmos in both senses of the definition.
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@Reece
I say The Truth is The Ultimate Reality. This is my God.
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@Mopac
If you want to strip all objective meaning, go right ahead.
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@Reece
Why do you say that?
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@Mopac
Define to me what a god is.
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@Reece
Definition courtesy Merriam-webster...
Full Definition
1 capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality: as
a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe
b Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind
2 : a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship; specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality
3 : a person or thing of supreme value
4 : a powerful ruler
So I am talking about God not god. As you can see, these mean two different things.
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@Mopac
What's your definition of God then? I'm confused.
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@Reece
The Supreme and Ultimate Reality.
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@Mopac
Ummm okay. And where does truth fit in?
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@Reece
Not just truth.
The Truth.
As in, reality in the truest sense of what that means.
The way things actually are. Truly.
That is what I mean by God. The One True God.
That is what it means. It is The Most Real.
The Truth.
As in, reality in the truest sense of what that means.
The way things actually are. Truly.
That is what I mean by God. The One True God.
That is what it means. It is The Most Real.
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@Mopac
Something that is incomprehensible?
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@Reece
Certainly God would have to be incomprehensible. Necessarily, God would have to be greater the intellect's ability to apprehend.
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@Mopac
Do you know what else is incomprehensible? The dragon in my garage.
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@Reece
It is very easy to resort to mocking and scoffing. I'm sure you will be popular around here.
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@Mopac
No, just try to reason.
What if I said there was a dragon in my garage. What would you say or ask?
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@Mopac
The way things actually are. Truly.
That is my passion too! And so for very many people.
But you have decided 'the way things actually are' resembles what is taught by your church. I think it is resembles what we are taught by observation and reason. The sooner you drop your silly idea that rejecting theism is rejecting reality or truth the sooner you'll stop sounding like a broken record!
The dictionary definition you rely on is only true if you accept theism in the first place.
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@keithprosser
You speak of things you don't understand.
You'd probably be better off believing that I am speaking very plainly about what the church actually teaches rather than try to fit what I'm saying into your preconceived notions and understandings.
You are, after all, not really that familiar with Orthodoxy, only the unenlightened perversions of the faith that managed to proliferate in the west.
And I really hate to refer to western Christianity in such a derogatory manner, but it is the truth and it is very frustrating trying to teach real Christianity to people who think they already get it when they really don't.
Something you really don't get is that we have always taught this understanding of God, and your only argument against it is to go nuh uh and contradict what the church has been teaching for thousands of years.
So if you could look at it from my perspective for a moment, you should realize that contradicting me is an exercise in futility because I know what I believe, you don't, and there is not much you can do while disputing on this that would convince me that you aren't simply uneducated.
To you, it is an arbitrary thing. To me it is not.
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@Reece
I would say that this has nothing to do with what we are talking about, and you should stop making the pretense of being reasonable.
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@Mopac
We were talking about something that is incomprehensible weren't we?
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@Reece
We are talking about The Ultimate Reality.
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@Mopac
What if I said the dragon is God?
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@Reece
I'd would say that you are expressing a superstitious belief.
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@Mopac
He's ultimate reality though. Just because you can't comprehend it...
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@Mopac
So for 2000yrs your particular cult has taught the existence of a particular god. Good for you but unless you can supply evidence that your particular god exists then there is nothing to distinguish it from any other unevidenced god.
For months now you have failed miserably to provide any evidence at all that your god exists, put up or shut up.
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@Reece
The Ultimate Reality is not simply anything that is incomprehensible.
It is Reality in the truest sense of the word. What you can imagine is by definition not reality in the truest sense of the word. Likewise, just because something is incomprehensible doesn't mean that it is God.
If I think you would be better off repenting of this blasphemy and abandoning this faulty line of reasoning.
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@Mopac
God is omnipresent right? Who are you to say that God isn't in my garage.