ERB Mafia DP2

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This DP will last 72 hours and will end on Saturday, February 1 at 11:30 EST.

Deceased players:
    • Earth - You are Albert Einstein vs Stephen Hawking! "When I apply my battle theory, minds are relatively blown, so take a seat Steve, oop, I see you brought your own!" https://youtu.be/zn7-fVtT16k This classic rap battle has physicist fighting physicist. Hawking threatens to drop mad apples on Einstein’s head, though Einstein retorts that he’s the genius Hawking would be standing on – if he could stand. You, however, will be standing on my shoulders, as you are the Informed Townie. You will receive important information about this game not privy to the other members of the town at the beginning of DP2. You win with the Town.
    • ILikePie5 - You are Eastern Philosophers vs Western Philosophers! "I'm coming off the Acropolis to start some pandemonium. Don't bring limp raps to a pimp slap symposium." https://youtu.be/0N_RO-jL-90 This rap battle is a team battle, Socrates, Nietzsche, and Voltaire vs Lao Tzu, Sun Tzu, and Confucius. However, Sun Tzu manages to use his tactics to turn the westerners against each other, only for his team to immediately dissolve into infighting as well. Because of the way everyone turns on each other, you are the Even-Night Paranoid Gun Owner. On even-numbered nights, anyone who targets you with any action will be passively killed by you. You win with the Town.
    Living players:

    1. Vader
    2. whiteflame 
    3. Lunatic 
    4. AustinL0926 
    5. Savant 
    6. WyIted 
    7. Greyparrot 
    8. iamanabanana 
    With eight living players, it takes 5 votes to reach a majority. 

    Additional information:

    • WyIted has been SILENCED! He may vote up to three times today, but he may not post otherwise. 
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    Round 2!
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    @Greyparrot
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    Mafia time 
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    Wylted being silenced is interesting.

    Also did Pie ever say he was an even night PGO? If he didn't then DAMN. That means mafia have had to have known that Pie was an even night. So scum knows something.

    Wylted being silenced also throws a wrench into my theme analysis since his theme was the only outlier of the ones that were claimed in my analysis. I don't think scum team would try and silence their own player. Feel like that would be incredibly ballsy
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    I want to wait for results at this point so I don't want to put pressure until there is any results, but I have a couple of scum leans that I think should be discussed
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    Good evening ladies and gents!

    Full claim time. I am James Bond vs Austin Powers

    Quote: “It’s the most prominent, dominant, bomb spy so pay homage, handing out ass whippings i’m on some real James Bondage”.

    Justification paraphrased: After a back and forth between the new James Bond and Austin Powers, Classic James Bond breaks in with an epic entrance that destroys both opponents. Because there are two different Bonds based on the same idea, I am the 1x Justice. Once per game in the night, I may ask the mod about two players and will be told if they are the same affiliation or not. I chose Savant and Banana and was told these two are not the same affiliation. 

    I think only these two should be claiming this day phase and we have plenty of time to decide which one is scum. I chose banana because I was still sus about her day phase entrance, and I chose savant because he was widely town read, and I was starting to have some second thoughts based on him seeming wishy washy on earth despite voting for him, and kept defending his "scum slip" against pie while having no qualms voting for him.

    I'd like both of you to full claim please. 




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    Interesting.

    Thanks for the justification. I was also having second thoughts with Savant as well so this puts it into perspective. Will say the char claim goes against my theme analysis, but I think that's dead now considering that Wylted was silenced, which I think implies that he is likely town. It would also make Savant a lot more scummier.

    However, I am still a bit hesistant to fully buy this claim. If you are scum, you essentially could force 2 mislynches and win this game. Assuming scum still have 2 people, if we lynch both we lose this game. It also is a bit weird that this role is a 1x as well, meaning you can't test it again to see if there is anyone else.

    I think it is still beneficial to get claims from both banana and savant, but I still would be hesistant to lynch either of them

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    However, I am still a bit hesistant to fully buy this claim. If you are scum, you essentially could force 2 mislynches and win this game. Assuming scum still have 2 people, if we lynch both we lose this game. It also is a bit weird that this role is a 1x as well, meaning you can't test it again to see if there is anyone else.
    I am definitely not ballsy enough to claim something like this as scum. Also it being more than 1x seems like it would be pretty OP imo. There's no way I am alive tomorrow. 
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    However, I am still a bit hesistant to fully buy this claim. If you are scum, you essentially could force 2 mislynches and win this game. Assuming scum still have 2 people, if we lynch both we lose this game. It also is a bit weird that this role is a 1x as well, meaning you can't test it again to see if there is anyone else.
    I am definitely not ballsy enough to claim something like this as scum. Also it being more than 1x seems like it would be pretty OP imo. There's no way I am alive tomorrow
    I wouldn't say it's too risky of a play IMO. It's a 1x role so you essentially become a vanilla at this point. It's realistically a 50/50 shot but if whoever we choose to lynch is the scum, I would be surprised.
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    Well I don't really know what to do here. This is an unfortunate situation for me, but I guess I will tell the truth. I am Gandalf vs Dumbeldore. My qoute is: "You shall not pass! I rap fast like Shadowfax. Tom Riddle me this you bitch, how’s your little wand going to beat my staff?"

    I am the third party prophet. NP1 I had  to choose a day or night phase I thought the game would end on. i chose np4. If I am right I win no matter what with the winning team, if I am wrong I lose no matter what. So I guess there is no point in lying about any of this, since being lynched won't effect whether I win. Casey told me I would show up as guilty on a report since im not town. So that means savant is probably town and there is no need for him to claim.

    I was given Ghandi vs MLK as a fake claim with "Ascetic" as a fake role claim since Ghandi inhibits himself through hunger strikes. I understand if you guys lynch me here.
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    Yeah I'm thinking about it. I think what I suggested would take a lot of effort from Luna to do and I think statistically speaking would likely be more scum. The only way this idea I suggested works is if Luna chose two town to pin together and believes he can survive a 1 v 1 with Savant or banana. However I feel that would draw way too much attention to him and would cause a lot of people to look questionably at him. It also narrows the POE if Luna is scum and makes the job harder. It would have to be someone who can easily craft and make a convincing argument if it were a 1v1. I would say out of all the people it would be Luna, but does he have the energy to do this and do you think it is even worth it considering how some of the players are very hard stuck in their ways?

    Yeah the more I think about it the more im inclined to believe Luna here

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    Ok so basically bananas claim implicates Luna is town here. 
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    Why would you need a fake claim as third party? Also why do you think savant would be confirmed town with you being guilty? Mafia and third party are not the same affiliation no?
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    So Luna is essentially town locked. Banana claiming 3p basically disregards any chance that Luna was lying about his role because it confirms that both parties have a different affiliation, whether Banana is telling the truth or fake claimed. Important to know. This means that Luna and Wylted from my perspective are essentially town

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    What do you think about her claim? You think she is actually third party or lying?
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    From a balance perspective in this game. I really find it hard in a 10 person game to balance a 3P, scum, and town. 

    At max, it's 7v2v1. Or it's 8v1v1. 

    I am just not confident that Casey would put a third party role into this game considering the balance implications of this game. Also I don't understand how you wouldn't just SOP claim 3rd party in the beginning of the game

    Yeah I just find it tough to believe that banana is actually 3p here.

    VTL Banana


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    Then again, I forget that banana is new to the game and maybe didn't know better. But still, something throws me off. Especially given the fake claim
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    Why would you need a fake claim as third party?
    Why wouldn't i need one? The mod wanted to help me blend in i guess.

    Also why do you think savant would be confirmed town with you being guilty? Mafia and third party are not the same affiliation no?
    idk i guess he could be mafia, i didn't really think about it like that.
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    Think banana's claim is real. So is Luna's.

    I attempted to target WF last night and my action failed. Not going to say more at this time.
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    I think it's very likely that scum have some way to bypass (?) PGO, I know some variants of Ninja work that way, or maybe scum have some Bulletproof role. I can't imagine them gambling a kill on Pie for no reason.
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    I am just not confident that Casey would put a third party role into this game considering the balance implications of this game. Also I don't understand how you wouldn't just SOP claim 3rd party in the beginning of the game
    By voting me, your proving exactly why i wouldn't or shouldn't do that... i am only doing it because i got investigated and have no choice at this point. You can lynch me, it doesn't effect whether i win or lose anyway
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    I think it's very likely that scum have some way to bypass (?) PGO, I know some variants of Ninja work that way, or maybe scum have some Bulletproof role. I can't imagine them gambling a kill on Pie for no reason.
    Thats a good point, I don't see why they would either unless they had some role. 
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    I am just not confident that Casey would put a third party role into this game considering the balance implications of this game. Also I don't understand how you wouldn't just SOP claim 3rd party in the beginning of the game
    By voting me, your proving exactly why i wouldn't or shouldn't do that... i am only doing it because i got investigated and have no choice at this point. You can lynch me, it doesn't effect whether i win or lose anyway

    You wouldn't be the target of a lynch if you claimed DP1. No one was going to lynch you. Plus the fact you had a fake claim for this role is so off. I have been 3p in a bunch of games and never had a fake claim. 
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    I think banana's claim is probs real just bc if she's scum then any reasonably experienced player knows that claiming 3P is a bad idea to survive, she'd always be better off just taking the 1v1 with Savant.

    That being said, it's definitely a concern bc if she's alive on DP4 and it's MYLO (very possible if we get one correct lynch and one mislynch) , then there's strong incentive just to quickhammer and let scum NK on NP4 for the win.
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    Kinda busy tonight, just dropped in to out my mechanical info.

    Rough POE is WF/Vader with Wylted/GP slightly townier.
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    Also I want to point out as well. Scum are not given fake claims. Pie's post in DP1 suggested that mafia are only given 2 questions to ask if a role and a claim are in the game... 

    Why wouldn't the same logic apply for a 3P, and better yet, why would a 3P need a fake claim???

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    I think banana's claim is probs real just bc if she's scum then any reasonably experienced player knows that claiming 3P is a bad idea to survive, she'd always be better off just taking the 1v1 with Savant.
    No I'd honestly disagree with this sentament. Depending on what you claim as a 3p it honestly isn't a bad idea. This also applies the different way too. Banana being relatively new and getting caught, just wanted to throw something out there to try and salvage what was left and buy time. 

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    Kinda busy tonight, just dropped in to out my mechanical info.

    Rough POE is WF/Vader with Wylted/GP slightly townier.

    Savant isn't technically out of POE either I asked casey if third party and mafia would appear as the same affiliation and he said they would not. So theres a chance hes scum as well. 
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    Honestly, I would say my second scum read at the moment is WF.

    Looking at whiteflame's behavior analysis from last game to this game. It definetly feels like Whiteflame is not focusing as much on reads and behavior analytics as much and instead is relying on a theme split that he admitted himself he is relatively not as well informed on. I've played a few games with him as scum and seen him play as scum and I think he engages a lot more behaviorally with town and does a lot more behavior analysis. He also comes off strong in DP1s when he's town compared to when he is scum, and I think he was relatively weak coming into this DP and really didn't do much. While I don't want to dock off points for being busy and having a lot of your plate, I think that some of his analysis is just a lot more subpar and "coasting" through the DP rather than giving thoughtful insight. Even when the pace is slow WF usually engages a bit harder in the DP to get conversations going