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Didn't Stormy say your lesson plan shrunk?
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Stormy should have prepped Kamala better.
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What exactly is it you hate about DEI, which is the most offensive, Diversity, Equity, or Inclusion, and why?
Equity is the main problem here. Equity means equal outcomes. I am pretty sure the NBA would suck if it was equitable in its hiring practices instead of using meritocracy. Nobody is watching an 80% white NBA game because they know they aren't watching the best in the world.
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Equity is the main problem here. Equity means equal outcomes. 
Oh pulease, that's an intentional distortion by the demagogues that control you.

Equity simply modifies the concept of equality to achieve fairnessand justice for those disadvantaged groups that require differential treatment.  Equality is treating everyone the same, equity is building a wheelchair ramp to so those in wheelchairs have equal access.  The goal is not equal outcomes, it's equal opportunities.

We both know the agenda of those who misrepresent DEI programs is justification of prejudice and bigotry.


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cool, now do another wheelchair example that shows the "justice" side of equity.
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Equity, as it’s commonly applied, operates on the assumption that any disadvantage is the result of an injustice—even when no one was actually wronged. The "justice" wheelchair analogy, for example, suggests that if a building wasn’t designed with wheelchair access from the start, it’s an injustice that must be corrected. But in reality, the absence of a ramp isn’t a wrong—it’s just an oversight or a product of past norms.

This is where equity falls apart: it treats all imbalances as injustices, leading to forced interventions that may not be necessary or fair. A wheelchair ramp, when added, can be a reasonable accommodation—but demanding that the entire building be rebuilt at massive cost just to make the front door accessible in the exact same way for everyone? That’s prioritizing a minority group’s needs over everyone else’s for the sake of ideological purity.

True fairness doesn’t come from retroactively forcing equal outcomes—it comes from ensuring that no one is actively being wronged. If equity can’t distinguish between natural imbalances and actual injustices, it becomes a tool for social coercion and political power rather than fairness.


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Reparations, racial quotas, and other equity-based solutions don’t actually fix racism; they just redistribute burdens and benefits based on group identity, often creating new resentments in the process. True fairness comes from enforcing laws equally, protecting individual rights, and making sure that no one is being actively discriminated against.

If racism is a moral wrong, then the solution isn’t to flip the script and assign collective guilt—it’s to ensure that no individual is treated unfairly because of race, period. The best way forward is not to "correct" past injustices through new injustices, but to remove race-based policies altogether and focus on individual merit, opportunity, and accountability.
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Equity simply modifies the concept of equality to achieve fairnessand justice for those disadvantaged groups that require differential treatment.  Equality is treating everyone the same, equity is building a wheelchair ramp to so those in wheelchairs have equal access.  The goal is not equal outcomes, it's equal opportunities.
Correct. Which goes against meritocracy. Yes you give equal opportunity to both retards and intelligent people to be doctors but it isn't meritocracy.

I understand the concept of fairness being applied and am telling you I think it gets worse results for society.

So nothing you said contradicts what I said here
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There underlying assumption however is that any and every disproportionate statistics is the result of racism.

Too many Indians in tech. Racism. Too many white doctors racism etc. Etc.
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True equality is the eradication of all race-based politics. On an unrelated note, let's carry out an ethnic cleansing. We must preserve our culture. I want photo shoots of manacled brown men being loaded into planes. That shit warms my shriveled, blackened heart to see. 
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You do know that people with black skin can still do the Riverdance.... culture =/= color
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Why don't you just say "I am a racist piece of shit" one time. What are you afraid of? You must tire of this wheedling bullshitting. Nobody you're talking to thinks for a second that you care about fairness or best ways forward. It would be liberating man. One time.
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I think segregating cultures isn't a bad thing. There, I said it, now I am a piece of shit.
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I think segregating cultures isn't a bad thing.
Sure its bad. 

I am white (maybe, I dont even know), but I would hate to live in white culture with white people only.

White is anyway the inferior race.

In ranks of races, I think Japanese race ranks very high.
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No balls, sad. Nobody you're talking to has any respect for you and your wheedling false face posts. You can at least respect yourself.
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I think the only white culture exists in prison gangs, so just don't get arrested.
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I think the only white culture exists in prison gangs
There are white people even outside of prison, but I dont really like white people.

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I don't like white culture either, they can stay in prison with the other skin heads.
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I don't like white culture either, they can stay in prison with the other skin heads.
Which culture and race do you like the most?

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Equity simply modifies the concept of equality to achieve fairnessand justice for those disadvantaged groups that require differential treatment.  Equality is treating everyone the same, equity is building a wheelchair ramp to so those in wheelchairs have equal access.  The goal is not equal outcomes, it's equal opportunities.
Correct. Which goes against meritocracy. Yes you give equal opportunity to both retards and intelligent people to be doctors but it isn't meritocracy.
More made up dumbass nonsense, nobody is giving "equal opportunity to both retards and intelligent people to be doctors".  

I understand the concept of fairness being applied and am telling you I think it gets worse results for society.
Because you consider any challenge to white supremacy as "worse results for society", but there is more to American society than what's in your trailer parks.

So nothing you said contradicts what I said here
So you concur with my statement "We both know the agenda of those who misrepresent DEI programs is justification of prejudice and bigotry."


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Chinese culture for sure. They are the most in balance with the world. I like the human race.
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Chinese culture for sure
I dont think highly of people who eat puppies, but I guess their politics could be better in some areas.

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Because you consider any challenge to white supremacy as "worse results for society", but there is more to American society than what's in your trailer parks.
This is a highly myopic and ethnocentric view.

There are plenty of minorities of all wealth and class brackets against DEI for various reasons, most notably NOT to further "white supremacy"
DEI actually hurt a ton of minorities that were not the current fad of the propaganda masters, government skimmers, and wealthy racial grifters.

Here is a good article:
I am a self-respecting Black American man, and I would never want to be treated differently because of something I didn't earn, like having more melanin in my skin than someone else. To me, DEI in corporate America was implemented in the hopes of limiting liability against claims of discrimination, to massage the egos of faux-guilt-riddled white Leftist savior types in leadership, and to give the perception that ruthless capitalists can also be socially conscious.
It was created for everyone but the people it directly impacts; and now, we are unfairly blamed as a group when there are white people being discriminated against for opportunities and advancement.

I don't need artificial opportunities: I just want equal treatment.

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there are white people being discriminated against for opportunities and advancement
With 1 in 30 black men in prison, I kinda doubt that white people are the ones who have it worse.
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You must not get out much then. DEI has destroyed opportunities in order to create outcomes for people that did not earn it.

It's not just whites losing out here. Read the article.
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Too much binary thinking— “either you’re for DEI or you’re a dirty white supremacist!”— and not nearly enough exposure to the nuanced takes of intellectuals such as John McWhorter, Coleman Hughes, Glenn Loury, and Thomas Sowell.
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There is zero chance BK or sidewalker read any of those authors. Small chance for Wylted.
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You must not get out much then.
Why go out when air is polluted?

DEI has destroyed opportunities in order to create outcomes for people that did not earn it.
I was merely responding to the claim that whites have it worse.
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There is zero chance BK or sidewalker read any of those authors. Small chance for Wylted.
I'm sure you and Wylted are more into William Luther Pierce and Sergei Nilus.
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What exactly is it you hate about DEI, which is the most offensive, Diversity, Equity, or Inclusion, and why?
Equity is the main problem here. Equity means equal outcomes. I am pretty sure the NBA would suck if it was equitable in its hiring practices instead of using meritocracy. Nobody is watching an 80% white NBA game because they know they aren't watching the best in the world.
The NBA is one of the success stories of DEI hiring practices.