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Yeah, I'm not advocating we lynch a nonresponder until the last possible moment.
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Vader's thought process on Savant is like... towny?

Idk, I'm having a much harder time getting reads than last game, just because there's so little content to work off of and no one's being that scummy. So I feel like I'm trying to force out some reads with limited info and I could easily be wrong - but we all have to start somewhere.

Kinda towny:

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Pie

Slightly towny:

WF
GP

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Luna
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Oops, I forgot to elaborate why Vader's thought process on Savant is towny. I think it's indicative of genuine curiosity - there's a clear thought process of Vader seeing something that pings him, checking back past games, and then putting it in thread in a way that feels more like he's trying to start discussion rather than start a bad push. I.e. it's a thought process with some nuance and depth.
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@Savant
Yeah, WyIted has been in games before, he's less likely to forget about it. If anyone is using their absence as a "strategy" hoping we'll ignore them, it's WyIted. The others might have just forgotten, and if they are scum, they'll probably fail their night actions anyway and we don't need to worry.
I mean, if it's a strategy, it's a pretty bad one, considering we're going to lynch him by default lol. But yeah, I guess I do have a slightly higher expectation for Wylted? I dunno, if the absence is just due to forgetfulness or irl it doesn't mean anything either way tho
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if it's a strategy, it's a pretty bad one, considering we're going to lynch him by default lol
It's basically WIFOM. The more we suspect the strategy is bad and he wouldn't use it, the more useful of a strategy it becomes, etc. It's not a great reason for a sus, but it's the only one we have, and the WIFOM logic (however weak) doesn't apply as much to the new players.
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Wylted (3/6): Whiteflame, Pie, Savant 
Savant (1/6): Greyparrot

You still ain't got no children after your third marriage
You lost so many babies, we should call you Miss Carriage
You got an hourglass figure, but that's about it! 
A candle in the wind that can't act for shit
- Cleopatra, "Cleopatra vs Marilyn Monroe" 
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@AustinL0926
Idk, I'm having a much harder time getting reads than last game, just because there's so little content to work off of and no one's being that scummy
This is 100% true. Unfortunately in games like this it's very tough to accumulate reads. It's only 6 people and in DP1 with little activity it can be hard to get good reads. 
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Not related to the game but I think Austin has a done a great job and behavior analyzing. I know it's been a while since I played but it seems like he's grown a lot as a player. I was going to wait to the endgame to say something but I've noticed from the last few games he has his improved a lot...

Not affiliation indicative but I think it's worth pointing out
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Okay, something new is bothering me. Lunatic is online, but he's been mainly just fluff posting. If Luna is scum, he might be trying to slide under the radar but just showing enough activity so that he doesn't get lumped in with the non-posters. In a normal game, Luna's behavior would be seen as suspicious. In this one, we might be more worried about people who aren't posting at all.

But if Luna has enough time to post, why has he contributed barely anything? Especially when posters need to carry this game a lot because of how many people aren't active? Someone who knows Luna's meta might be able to say if this is normal for him.

VTL Lunatic
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Vader posting in chunks I get. Luna's posts seems like he's online consistently but intentionally posting very little.
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@Savant
Really tough to say but you have a pretty solid point. In fact I feel like if Luna was scum then I feel like he would let town kinda drown themselves out with the lack of activity versus actually contributing. I remember him saying that if he's scum he tries to post questions and all that to generate activity to stir up town. I also know that he's sometimes keen on sitting back and observing as scum when town are going at it.

I think there's some validity to your point, but we have so many inactive and a SOP that I think we'd be taking a MAJOR risk to get a lynch on Lunatic. I am hopeful Wylted comes on or even some of the new members so we can get a better analysis
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#101 is unclear. By being active, I mean trying to fluff post with question that can generate town to cause drama. Basically what i'm trying to say is that he sees the inactivity in this game and could be using it to just take a ride
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I also know on the other hand Luna's sleep schedule is massively fucked lol. Usually in bed by 1pm and is up throughout the night too if I recall so maybe that's playing a role.
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Have inactives gotten a ping yet?
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@Vader
Unless WyIted is scum, an inactive scum player isn't going to use their ability at night so they're not much of a threat.
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@Egos-platiniums-locos
Alright. Egos was last seen online 10 hours ago. He's been online and clearly has been avoiding to post in this game.

VTL Egos

You have been purposely hiding in this game. Care to actually give a shit?
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@Savant
Can't be certain that scum aren't inactive though. Egos was online 10 hours ago and has 0 posts
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@Redeemed
You commented like three hours ago. Plz participate in the game.
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Redeemed commented on a debate more recently than that.
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Didn't catch that. Good point

Unvote VTL Redeemed

Play in the game. Why are you hiding???
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@Vader
I have notified the new players that the game is ongoing. 
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@Savant
It's hard to say with Luna, usually depends on how busy his schedule is. It doesn't seem like he's engaged in this game, especially not like he was with the Inheritance Cycle game, though it doesn't seem like he has that kind of knowledge of the theme this time around.

Regardless, I would like to see more activity out of him before the DP ends and some substance to his posts when he does. It would not be a first for him to coast through DP1 as either scum or town, but it isn't something we should be allowing from even a semi-active player in a game with three inactives.
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Wylted (2/6): Whiteflame, Pie 
Redeemed (1/6): Vader
Lunatic (1/6): Savant 
Savant (1/6): Greyparrot

I pity your neck, Mr. Gold chains. You've got too many
The only gold I keep is on the shelf in my Emmys
I teach the whole world full of children, I can tell
You call yourself T cause you're too dumb to spell
- Mr Rogers, "Mr T vs Mr Rogers" 
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I'd like to get a straight answer from both of them as well. They're both new enough to the site that not seeing their PMs or be aware of ping notifications, but if Redeemed is posting comments, then he can only be so unaware.
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@Savant
It's basically WIFOM. The more we suspect the strategy is bad and he wouldn't use it, the more useful of a strategy it becomes, etc. It's not a great reason for a sus, but it's the only one we have, and the WIFOM logic (however weak) doesn't apply as much to the new players.
I can see where you're coming from, and I think it's genuine. But like, idk, I feel like I'd have to really be reaching for a read to solidly scumread Wylted just for doing absolutely nothing.
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@Vader
Not related to the game but I think Austin has a done a great job and behavior analyzing. I know it's been a while since I played but it seems like he's grown a lot as a player. I was going to wait to the endgame to say something but I've noticed from the last few games he has his improved a lot...

Not affiliation indicative but I think it's worth pointing out
I appreciate it, I'm always trying to learn and grow as a player.
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@Savant
Okay, something new is bothering me. Lunatic is online, but he's been mainly just fluff posting. If Luna is scum, he might be trying to slide under the radar but just showing enough activity so that he doesn't get lumped in with the non-posters. In a normal game, Luna's behavior would be seen as suspicious. In this one, we might be more worried about people who aren't posting at all.

But if Luna has enough time to post, why has he contributed barely anything? Especially when posters need to carry this game a lot because of how many people aren't active? Someone who knows Luna's meta might be able to say if this is normal for him.

VTL Lunatic
Off my memory of Luna's meta, he usually doesn't post much D1 and picks up later on. That being said, it's hard to gauge whether it's because he's just in town meta or lurking here, and it would be nice to get some content.
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Two inactives posting comments elsewhere is... not great. I'd give them the benefit of the doubt that they might just have forgotten though - I remember when I first started on this site, it took me a couple weeks to realize that there was a message function. IMO newbs tend to be pretty readable so as long as they post some content I think it should be fine.
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this game is really fast paced
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I don’t mind being the policy lynch today and replacing someone for tomorrow.