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The spirit of socialism is the idea that if you don't have anything but somebody else does, there is nothing wrong about robbing them.

The spirit of socialism is covetousness.


And it simultaniusly appeals to people's sense of greed, entitlement, and even compassion! Very dangerous.


You can't really force people to be charitable. The real issue has and has always been a spiritual one. Socialism is materialistic at the core, it is blind to the spiritual things.



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Even persecuted by the heretics you mentioned.
Ok, I'm just trying to point out that "atheism" and or "socialism" doesn't automatically make you a murderer.

Just because some "theists" are murderers, doesn't automatically mean that all "theists" are murderers.
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Never claimed such a thing. Wouldn't claim such a thing.


My position about atheism has always beem that it is either the result of ignorance or petulance.

My position about socialists is that they are unintentionally on the side of those they think they are working against!

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No facts in religion. It's about faith or not. If you need facts you have no faith. 
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You speak without understanding. You are arguing against purifying the heart not because you know better. 
You speak without understanding.  You argue that knowledge is not the path to "truth".  If you "understood" something you would be able to "explain" it.

I haven't argued against "heart purification", I've merely suggested that there are a great many well established ancient traditions of "heart purification" that don't lead to the "YHWH".
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My position about theism has always beem that it is either the result of ignorance or petulance.

My position about capitalists is that they are unintentionally on the side of those they think they are working against!
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A definition of faith according to Merriam-webster....



"something that is believed especially with strong conviction"

Facts very often times play an essential role in believing something with strong conviction.

For example, me accepting God as a fact helps me have faith in the discipline of purifying the heart.
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The spirit of socialism is the idea that if you don't have anything but somebody else does, there is nothing wrong about robbing them.
Um, no.  You are mistaking faux-socialism for the real thing.

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It isn't that I can't explain, it is that my explaining would be in vain!


Everything that I am saying is obviously true, but that won't stop people from struggling!



If The Ultimate Reality is God, God exists.

The Ultimate Reality is God.


An impure heart(nous) is going to be perverse in all its perceptions and reasonings.

Purify the heart(nous) in order to perceive clearly and have discernment!



And the heart is not purified by man's effort alone, but by the grace of God and the cooperation of man.(synergy)
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State enforced anarchy.

Lol

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At least you admit to being a bigot. 
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It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that all the atheists here are commies.
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My position about theism has always beem that it is either the result of ignorance or petulance.


In the case of many, certainly! But not to those who have found True Religion, the love of The Truth. It gives prudence to even the simple, knowledge and discretion to those who are young


My position about capitalists is that they are unintentionally on the side of those they think they are working against


And what better way to exemplify this than a state monopoly.


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The spirit of socialism is the idea that if you don't have anything but somebody else does, there is nothing wrong about robbing them.
The spirit of socialism is that, because we live in a society (social), there are certain resources that we should share both the costs of and the benefits of.

The technical definition of socialism is collective ownership of "capital", which is defined as "the means of production", which refers to "factories, farms, and businesses".

Most countries, including China and Russia have a mix of public and private ownership of "capital".

If we make a slight change to your previous assertion, it looks like,

The spirit of capitalism is that, if you want more than you currently have, and you can trick (con) or coerce others into paying the highest possible price, there is nothing wrong with screwing people out of their money and if they don't like paying $20 a gallon for running water, then they are just lazy commies. [LINK]
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A definition of faith according to Merriam-webster....

"something that is believed especially with strong conviction"

Facts very often times play an essential role in believing something with strong conviction.

For example, me accepting God as a fact helps me have faith in the discipline of purifying the heart.
You "accepting god as a fact" is blind faith.

If "facts support faith" then just show me the facts.
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Look, I am not interested in debating the false dichotomy of a theory of how economics works and the government trying to enforce anarchy.


If you want to sell your country over into totalitarianism, go ahead. Don't be shocked if it doesn't look like how you imagined it to.
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The spirit of socialism is the idea that if you don't have anything but somebody else does, there is nothing wrong about robbing them.
Um, no.  You are mistaking faux-socialism for the real thing.
Also known as a straw-man.
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YHWH refers to The Eternally Existing One.
YHWH refers to a particular form - YHWH allocated Israel to the Hebrews for instance.  Even if one accepts the general principle that God=reality you are claiming more than that.


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I don't accept god as a fact. I accept God as a fact.


Because without God there are no facts. The Truth must exist.





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I hope he understands Orthodoxy better than he understands politics or there's no point listening to him.  As it is what he says is so vague and obscure he uses a lot of words to say very little.
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To you, this is a meaningless string of words. That is why you lack understanding. 


I know my God, it is The Ultimate Reality. You don't know my God. If you knew my God, you wouldn't fight my God, because you would know the futility of it.

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Well as you atheists say us theists are stupid fucking retards so there is that. 
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If what I am saying is true, it should be expected that both of you, socialists, would not be aware that I am not making a straw man, but that you have been both duped into buying into a materialistic philosophy that will not save you.
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You have taken it on yourself to explain things to us poor fools.  So far you have only posted badly spelled platitudes.and complaints about our lack of intelligence, but we continue to indulge you in the hope you will improve.

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It isn't that I can't explain, it is that my explaining would be in vain!
A classic appeal to ignorance.  I have incontrovertible evidence that the enemy is hiding WMDs, but it's all super top secret!!!!!!!!!!

Everything that I am saying is obviously true, but that won't stop people from struggling!
Declaring something "is obviously true" is another appeal to ignorance.

If The Ultimate Reality is God, God exists.
Perfecto.  I agree 100%.

The Ultimate Reality is God.
This follows logically from your previous axiom.

An impure heart(nous) is going to be perverse in all its perceptions and reasonings.
It makes sense that a damaged instrument may be unreliable, but it is not necessarily so.

Purify the heart(nous) in order to perceive clearly and have discernment!
Sounds good.  How do you suggest this be done and how do we quantify success?

And the heart is not purified by man's effort alone, but by the grace of God and the cooperation of man.(synergy)
This "grace of god" stuff you speak of, how do we know if we have it or not?

Also, you forgot to mention...

god = "YHWH"
This appears to be a non-sequitur.  Please explain.
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I haven't argued against "heart purification", I've merely suggested that there are a great many well established ancient traditions of "heart purification" that don't lead to the "YHWH".
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Quanitify success?

Can you quantify integrity?


I do not say that god= YHWH

I say that God = YHWH

Because believe it or not, "The Ultimate Reality" is a legit English translation of that name.


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Quanitify success?
Can you quantify integrity?
Yes.  Yes I can quantify integrity.  If my glass is leaking water, its integrity has been compromised.

I do not say that god= YHWH

I say that God = YHWH

Because believe it or not, "The Ultimate Reality" is a legit English translation of that name.
I do not say that god= Brahman

I say that God = Brahman

Because believe it or not, "The Ultimate Reality" is a legit English translation of that name. [LINK]
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I have said before that "Brahman" might be an appropriate translation of God in India. Likewise, Tao might be an appropriate translation of God in China.

The concepts mean the same thing even if maybe they are understood differently in these diverse cultural manifestations.


But to clarify the first question, can you quantify honesty?



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I have said before that "Brahman" might be an appropriate translation of God in India. Likewise, Tao might be an appropriate translation of God in China.

The concepts mean the same thing even if maybe they are understood differently in these diverse cultural manifestations.
Nice, so I can pick my personal favorite?

But to clarify the first question, can you quantify honesty?
Honesty = Truth = Fact = Indisputable = Verifiable = Quantifiable.

If a statement is disputable, it may be Sincere, but it is not True.