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Graveyard:

Savant- Role Prevention- Roleblocker - Town (Lynched DP2)
Wylted- Manipulation- 1x Role Changer- Town (Killed NP2)

Living Players: 

1. iLikePie5
2. Whiteflame
3. Casey
4. Earth
5. Austin
6. Vader
7. Greyparrot

With seven players alive, it takes four votes to reach a lynch.  Day phase will end on 1/25/25 @ 6PM CST.


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Tagging everyone for the new DP.

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You too.
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Alright I'm going to apologize for the last DP. I think I rushed the gun a bit on the double vote, but I also was certain that Savant was scum and wanted to prevent any kind of tom foolery from happening. With Earth doing the fake Day Vig and all that, wanted to ensure that we got the potential scum.

I know now that the lynch should probably be me but I would strongly consider looking elsewhere. Like I said, there is absolutely no possible way to know which roles were mafia and there is no perception or line between the two.  It gives mafia a lot of room to manipulate and play into town cred
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I also meant to put the double vote earlier on before Casey put there vote down so it was at L-1, but had to confirm it with Luna that I was going to use and by the time I was typing it about I already used it
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There is no reason we should not lynch Vader today. After yesterday, I cannot see a way for him to be town. 


VTL Vader 
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There is no reason we should not lynch Vader today. After yesterday, I cannot see a way for him to be town. 

So you knew I was going to vote Savant, but still decided to put him at essentially L-1 because of my role because you were "getting tired." Ok yeah that makes 100% total logical sense but now it's "obvious" I'm scum.

There are multiple ways I can be town in this game. This game is 10x more broad than you think. Not even 1 consideration for Earth baiting and confusing town with Day Vig, then following it up with nothing susbtantive? Seriously cmon let's think a bit more critically. Unless you and him are scum team
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Also why would mafia target Wylted over the obvious choices of GP, Austin, or Whiteflame. 

That seems a bit interesting to me. Wylted couldn't even use his role yet scum decided to kill him.
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@Vader
There are multiple ways I can be town in this game. This game is 10x more broad than you think. Not even 1 consideration for Earth baiting and confusing town with Day Vig, then following it up with nothing susbtantive? Seriously cmon let's think a bit more critically. Unless you and him are scum team
Lol. As if I didn't vote for Earth last DP. As if I wasn't literally saying last DP that the scum team was you and Earth if Savant flipped town. Which he did. 

Not to mention, we know Savant was the role blocker and he targeted you. No NK. How do you explain that if you're town? 
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There are multiple ways I can be town in this game. This game is 10x more broad than you think. Not even 1 consideration for Earth baiting and confusing town with Day Vig, then following it up with nothing susbtantive? Seriously cmon let's think a bit more critically. Unless you and him are scum team
Lol. As if I didn't vote for Earth last DP. As if I wasn't literally saying last DP that the scum team was you and Earth if Savant flipped town. Which he did. 
But then you lazily threw it away just to vote for Savant when you knew I had a double voter role that I was going to use on Savant.
Not to mention, we know Savant was the role blocker and he targeted you. No NK. How do you explain that if you're town? 
Like I said, it's clear that mafia waived the NK to try and cause pandamonium. And it's working lmao. Earth then was the first to capitalize on it then for quite literally no reason besides saying, I didn't get roleblocked because I had a day action, and thus never got a notification

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So... yeah, I don't like about how that last DP ended. Vader's decision to hammer early with his double voter definitely doesn't sit well with me, and especially now that we know Savant was telling the truth and he was RB'd (which remains the most likely explanation for why an NK wasn't committed in NP1), he's practically the default lynch at this point.

As for the choice of NK, I'm definitely surprised. Not sure why scum would have targeted WyIted beyond him being widely townread, since he had already claimed to use his role. I was the obvious target, and I fully expected to be the NK. Nonetheless, I chose to target Earth and it came back innocent.

And therein lies the problem. If that result is right, then I'm out of PoE for who could be Vader's potential scum partner. I just don't buy that GP could be scum and have the Reviver role, which we've already confirmed. Austin is confirmed town by his flip. So I only see two options:

Earth manipulated my result and it's a Vader/Earth scum team.

Or... Casey and Pie are a scum team.

I kind of wrote off this pairing being in the game after Casey tied themselves so tightly to Pie last DP. If Casey was somehow killed and flipped scum (and given Earth's still unknown Killing role, that was still a possibility), it would put Pie in the crosshairs. But that might just have been a risk they were willing to take. Setting that aside, there are really only two unknowns: why didn't they commit an NK and why did I Cop Pie innocent? The latter question applies just as well to Earth. The former is more of an open question, but given what WyIted was suggesting he did with his role and how he believed GP's role works, there does seem to be an explanation:

GP's role activated during the DP, was changed during the NP, and he is either BP or the Doc (I won't speculate which). Either one could explain the lack of an NK.

I'll be clear, I'm not sure which story I buy more right now. We know Savant's night action would have prevented the NK and was used on Vader. We only have WyIted's now cut off speculation about how he might have used his role, which might also have something to do with his NK.

With us at 5-2, we can take another mislynch if we need to, but I think we should discuss these two possibilities before committing to any lynch.
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There is no reason we should not lynch Vader today. After yesterday, I cannot see a way for him to be town. 


VTL Vader 

Unvote until Earth claims
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@whiteflame
Earth manipulated my result and it's a Vader/Earth scum team.

Or... Casey and Pie are a scum team.

I kind of wrote off this pairing being in the game after Casey tied themselves so tightly to Pie last DP. If Casey was somehow killed and flipped scum (and given Earth's still unknown Killing role, that was still a possibility), it would put Pie in the crosshairs. But that might just have been a risk they were willing to take. Setting that aside, there are really only two unknowns: why didn't they commit an NK and why did I Cop Pie innocent? The latter question applies just as well to Earth. The former is more of an open question, but given what WyIted was suggesting he did with his role and how he believed GP's role works, there does seem to be an explanation:
Casey could be scum. Luna has made Masons scum before. I willingly chose a non-confirmable role, which makes zero sense for me to do as scum. Everyone else has a confirmable role except you, but you weren’t given one to begin with, which is an outlier as well. If you’re alive, scum are relying on a Godfather or something similar from their special category. Casey/Vader is conceivable to me
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@Vader
That seems a bit interesting to me. Wylted couldn't even use his role yet scum decided to kill him.
Explain.
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I think Vader's quickhammer was outing.

It's complete garbage to do as a townie especially since he was yapping d1 about how my choice to choose hammerer was bad for town. Put simply, his decision to rush the day conflicts with his stated philosophy.

He also made several posts about how it could be a frame by mafia to implicate both himself and Savant. So claiming that he was "certain" Savant was scum is simply a provable lie.

That aside, he's attacked Earth and me for "anti-town behavior" which is pretty classic scum play because it's much easier to push people for doing anti-town things rather than scum indicative things.
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That seems a bit interesting to me. Wylted couldn't even use his role yet scum decided to kill him.
Explain.

I meant to word it as he already used his role.
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I will not be voting outside of Vader today. I very rarely blame people for their own lynch, but if Vader flips town, it's entirely on him for cutting 60 hours of discussion short and lying about his worldview.
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Why is Casey/Vader not a possible team?
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Casey could be scum. Luna has made Masons scum before. I willingly chose a non-confirmable role, which makes zero sense for me to do as scum. Everyone else has a confirmable role except you, but you weren’t given one to begin with, which is an outlier as well. If you’re alive, scum are relying on a Godfather or something similar from their special category. Casey/Vader is conceivable to me
The first argument is WIFOM and a combination of that and you being pretty behaviorally townie has led others to see you as solid town. Not so sure myself.

I do, however, think Casey/Vader is another plausible pair. It certainly wouldn’t be a first to have a scum Mason. I’ll need to look back through the previous DPs to see if that makes sense based on their interactions so far. 

I don’t think you and Earth would both somehow manipulate my result, so I can’t see you as a scum team. Seems you agree with me that scum are prepared to manipulate my role, so they either have already or don’t fear it going forward, both of which suggest the Godfather as you say.

I’d really like Earth’s claim and some reason why he has yet to use his Killing role over the previous two DPs. That’s my priority for now, the rest is parsing these potential scum pairings.
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I meant to word it as he already used his role.
A.) How do you know that?
B.) This is not even close to what you said.
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Why is Casey/Vader not a possible team?
Like I just said to Pie, it is possible. I wasn’t thinking of crossover pairings when I made that first post because I dismissed Earth/Pie out of hand.
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I meant to word it as he already used his role.
A.) How do you know that?
B.) This is not even close to what you said.
He said he did and Gp confirmed he did last DP
I misworded it and even then it's not a big deal lol
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I'm not happy you guys just blitzed the lynch like that. I have no idea why you would want to put someone on L-1 so early on for no reason. I have a gut feeling Vader is town though. 
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Can you please claim. This is the third time I’m asking
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He said he did and Gp confirmed he did last DP
Show me were Wylted said he did and GP confirmed

I misworded it and even then it's not a big deal lol
It’s not even close to what you “intended” 
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I am the 1x sacrifical day vig. Once I use my day vig I can't vote again.
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I am the 1x sacrifical day vig. Once I use my day vig I can't vote again.
A.) Why haven’t you used it yet
B.) What were your other options
C.) What is your scum line
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WyIted: Role Changer - Category: Manipulative
Savant: Roleblocker - Category: Role Prevention


Austin: Hammerer - Category: Negative Utility
GP: Reviver - Category: Protective
Pie: Informed - Category: Passive
Supa: 1x Double Voter - Category: Voting
Casey: 1x Mason Recruiter - Category: Communication
Whiteflame: Cop - Category: Investigative
Earth: 1x Sacrificial Day Vig - Category: Killing

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A) i felt like I didn't really have a good option besides hipfiring.

B)

1 was Super Saint
2 was 1x PGO (whoever submitted their action first would be killed in case of multiple visits)
3 was 1x Bookie

Not sure what a scum line is. Maybe the team is WF/Casey?
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A) i felt like I didn't really have a good option besides hipfiring.
You bolded your Day Vig last DP and somehow it didn't go off. Was that a bluff or some failure to activate your role?

Not sure what a scum line is. Maybe the team is WF/Casey?
I don't know where this is coming from since I don't think you were sussing me before. Could you explain this view as well as why you see us as a plausible team?