Inheritance Cycle Mafia DP2

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@WyIted
If you think Austin is town than that means literally everyone on my wagon right now is town, assuming you are town and risking a no lynch despite zero reputational loss for lynching me
yes, everyone on your wagon could very well be town. Either you’re scum and that would explain why there isn’t scum on your wagon, or you’re town and scum are just letting us have a long argument because it benefits them to let things go this way. 

As for risking a no lynch, I still have no clue what you’re talking about. I can literally end the DP now. What am I risking by engaging with you?
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I will look back and address Austin's nonsense as I see it


Argues that because I am trying hard to survive it makes me scum.
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@whiteflame
By engaging me you can say you didn't mislynch without doing your due diligence. We all know your vote is coming and where it is going
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@Mharman
It wasn't just his read on Cerulean last DP, it was also his read on Lunatic. Keep in mind Lunatic had posted very little at that point- this is before he was town confirmed. This DP, I just think him jumping in on Wylted like that is opportunistic. He was the second on the wagon.
OK, so you’re still emphasizing behavior from last DP. Why is his jumping on the wagon early opportunistic? He clearly explained his logic, so again, what makes him different from Luna and ADOL?
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@WyIted
By engaging me you can say you didn't mislynch without doing your due diligence. We all know your vote is coming and where it is going
I did my due diligence a long time ago. I would have been entirely justified voting you hours ago, by your own logic. What’s the point of me keeping this up?
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Post 78 Austin not being committed because he is trying to see which way the wind is blowing first

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12213-inheritance-cycle-mafia-dp2?page=3&post_number=78
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@whiteflame
Lunatic is town confirmed for one, an I haven't seen anything scummy about ADOL. Even if it's mostly from last DP, I still have reasons to scumread Austin.
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@whiteflame
I did my due diligence a long time ago. I would have been entirely justified voting you hours ago, by your own logic. What’s the point of me keeping this up?
If you are town and think I am scum than what is the reason to hesitate in hammering? I am trying to do a cost benefit analysis from everyone's POV and I don't see it
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@Mharman
Lunatic is town confirmed for one, an I haven't seen anything scummy about ADOL
Mharman, my point is that they both have a vote on WyIted. Luna had his vote up before Austin. ADOL followed him. What makes their votes different from his? What makes ADOL not opportunistic?
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Pie is not making ADOL scum. It is unfair, it is what it is but he's practically confirmed town
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@WyIted
If you are town and think I am scum than what is the reason to hesitate in hammering? I am trying to do a cost benefit analysis from everyone's POV and I don't see it
Dude, you know I’m indecisive often, and I’ve given quite a few reasons why I’ve been indecisive about you being scum in this game. It’s not a cost-benefit analysis. It’s my read, one I’ve been trying to solidify for much of this DP and am still struggling with. 
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@WyIted
Pie is not making ADOL scum. It is unfair, it is what it is but he's practically confirmed town
How many times and how many ways do I have to say this? I’m not arguing that ADOL is scum. I’m arguing that you’re treating him as town for taking the same stance you deem scummy from Austin. That’s the problem.
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@whiteflame
It's partly how I'm interpreting things elsewhere in their behavior. ADOL gets a bit of a noob pass, and Lunatic gets a town-confirmed pass. Austin doesn't get one, plus, I don't think his logic is all that good
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This post Austin practically confesses to being scum

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12213-inheritance-cycle-mafia-dp2?page=5&post_number=125
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@AustinL0926
 I'm not going to shove someone I townlean into a scumlean just for the sake of making two scumreads. (Austin)
This is what "Null" or "Unsure" categories are for. Just because you're so committed to one specific scum person doesn't mean you shouldn't have other possibilities on the table.

As a Townie, I have been shot in broad daylight by a Mafia member who spent half the game making "Cerulean is scum" their entire personality, and they got away with it. Intense focus on a single person to the exclusion of considering other worlds is something I find scummy. What would you do if WyIted flipped town? I don't know because you (and Lunatic, to be fair) have been pushing so hard there and not talking about other possibilities that you could go anywhere if/when he does flip Town.

Where am I wrong on this?
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Pie is not making ADOL scum. It is unfair, it is what it is but he's practically confirmed town
I also thought of this angleshoot, and while it's possible that Pie could have done something a little off-the-wall, I think that ADOL's posting so far has been much more unrestrained and messy than I would expect from a newbie scum.

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@whiteflame
WF, question. Do you think there's a strong reason why I should be considering you Town, and if so, what is it?

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@Mharman
It's partly how I'm interpreting things elsewhere in their behavior. ADOL gets a bit of a noob pass, and Lunatic gets a town-confirmed pass. Austin doesn't get one, plus, I don't think his logic is all that good
Not a lot to go on, but it’s something I guess.
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@Cerulean
WF, question. Do you think there's a strong reason why I should be considering you Town, and if so, what is it?
Not really, no. If you’re not townreading me behaviorally, you’re likely not townreading me at all.
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Earth should still be voting so we know where he stands
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@WyIted
Earth should still be voting so we know where he stands
Doesn’t seem like he’ll post before this DP ends. I’m going to post my decision in a few minutes, regardless.
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@whiteflame
Well you got 7 minutes and in case I am unable to respond I don't mean any of the negative personal shit about you or Austin or anything. Just fighting for my life here. Have fun the remainder of the game and good luck
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I know it's 2 minutes early but let's end the DP please. Close enough
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Frankly, at this point, I think we have to make a decision and I guess I’m the one to make it.

There’s a lot I don’t like about WyIted’s claim and how he used it, even if the latter does seem very much like something he would do (I just don’t see it leaning either town or scum behaviorally). That being said, we need information and I don’t think we gain enough from leaving him alive (not to mention the risk of  Vanillaizing of an important role this time) to just NL this. I also don’t have another feasible lynch that I support. We gain insight from the flip either way, as WyIted himself has said, so I’ll make the call:

VTL WyIted

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You get more information if I have a chance to investigate and it's still the same amount of mislynches. The reasoning is contrived
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Just kidding I am scum.

Good luck scum team. Sorry I got caught early
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STOP POSTING
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Final Official Vote Count:

Wylted (5/5) - Lunatic, Austin, ADOL, Whiteflame, Earth
Whiteflame (1/5) - Mharman
Austin (1/5) - Wylted


Wylted was lynched. He was…INNOCENT. Please submit night actions ASAP.
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Lock please