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For someone who claims to have been a liberal you sure have a toddler level right wing understanding of what the left is saying.
It's toddler level thinking so of course. You rarely even offer a premise for your beliefs more than orange man bad so leftism good despite the real world consequences such as LAs skidrow and Venezuela showing why it's bad.


Some things I advocates for as a leftist

1. Ban cigarettes
2. Ban all guns
3. Give the homeless free houses

It's just generally childish thinking that focuses on addressing the symptoms of a problem and not the root of it.

I really think you should see a therapist, not being facetious. My truly honest guess is that you hate your younger self and have concentrated that hatred on the liberal views
I have and they agree with you here. Working on it dawg. I also hate all foster parents, all rich people and of course who I was and who I am.
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I am surprised anyone that rides a subway these days still thinks Democrats are great city managers.
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That's what I was thinking also. It's just odd the amount of people around the filth of public transport or who work for government can sit there and think. " Yes more of this is what we need"


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I am surprised anyone that rides a subway these days still thinks Democrats are great city managers.
You wouldn’t need a Democrat if you didn’t need a subway to get you to your destination.
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You rarely even offer a premise for your beliefs more than orange man bad so leftism good
This is yet more proof that you don't read. I go far, far more into detail than any right winger on this site and probably more so than anyone on this site when it comes to explaining why I believe what I believe. This is yet another example of why you are so unserious to talk to.

Some things I advocates for as a leftist

1. Ban cigarettes 
2. Ban all guns
3. Give the homeless free houses

It's just generally childish thinking that focuses on addressing the symptoms of a problem and not the root of it.
Most leftists don't advocate for any of these positions, so once again you show that your issue is actually with yourself not the people you are interacting with.

Let's look closer at point 2. Why did you want to ban all guns? What problem did you identify and why did you think your proposal would solve it?
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I thought guns violence was a bad thing. To be fair I did evolve as a liberal after that and was very into Michael Moore, his films and books and my belief systems pretty much was identical to Michael Moore's

For guns I just thought guns violence was a problem and my belief at the time was that government existed to fix problems. When I formed this belief I was kind of watching the LA riots on t.v. on a daily basis, and my thoughts were
 Hey all this violence is bad. Maybe we just don't have violence.
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Also yes I was a top 5 debaters on DDO and I argued against those positions. Right now in my area liberals do propose to ban menthol cigarettes, gun bans are called for daily and fair enough with the homeless one but I have seen solutions proposed that come close to that.

I have seen conservatives however for mild gun control for increases in immigration but opposing open borders etc. if I see Republicans taking those moderate positions and leftists on campus taking extreme positions than how do you divide what is the difference between Republican and Democrat? Where is that exact dividing line?
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Let's look closer at point 2. Why did you want to ban all guns? What problem did you identify and why did you think your proposal would solve it?
Nearly 43,000 people died from gun violence in 2023: How to tell the story
The cost of gun violence was more than $557 billion in 2022. That figure is based on medical and quality-of-life costs, criminal justice costs, the loss of income because of death, disability, incarceration and loss of caregivers, and employers’ loss of revenue.
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For guns I just thought guns violence was a problem and my belief at the time was that government existed to fix problems. When I formed this belief I was kind of watching the LA riots on t.v. on a daily basis, and my thoughts were
Hey all this violence is bad. Maybe we just don't have violence.
So to summarize, you thought banning guns would stop the violence, is that correct?

Also yes I was a top 5 debaters on DDO and I argued against those positions.
What was your screen name?

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So to summarize, you thought banning guns would stop the violence, is that correct?
Replacing dead Americans with immigrants will end the violence.
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Basic English bro. He said he thought Gun violence was the main problem, then evolved and discovered all violence was the problem. No gun required.

Nearly 43,000 people died from gun violence in 2023: How to tell the story
The cost of gun violence was more than $557 billion in 2022. That figure is based on medical and quality-of-life costs, criminal justice costs, the loss of income because of death, disability, incarceration and loss of caregivers, and employers’ loss of revenue.

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If I see Republicans taking those moderate positions and leftists on campus taking extreme positions than how do you divide what is the difference between Republican and Democrat? Where is that exact dividing line?

What the Democrats in the House did recently in opposing deporting convicted rapists is to solidify the perception of the party as the extreme party.  There was zero rational justification for the 150+ nay votes. None. Only a wild extremist would bend over backwards to house illegal migrant rapists in prison for life at the expense of all non-rapist Americans.


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New Orleans car attack was committed by an American born military veteran.
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What was your screen name?
Wylted

Also was in HOF there and president at one point

So to summarize, you thought banning guns would stop the violence, is that correct?
Yes that's how retarded I was before finding Michael Moore and adopting his philosophy wholesale. I should say that I was 10 during the LA riots so take it easy on me.
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So to summarize, you thought banning guns would stop the violence, is that correct?
Yes that's how retarded I was
Then that's a perfect example of the problem. I've never heard anyone on the left who's given the issue more than 3 seconds of thought suggest something so ridiculous.

This demonstrates exactly what I've been saying; you were at one time, a moron on political issues, and at that time you were on the left. So now you just think everyone on the left is as much of a moron as you were and it's completely inhibited your ability to absorb what anyone on the left is actually saying because all you're doing is projecting your former self.

The next question I have is, do you care whether your understanding of actual liberals and left wing ideology is accurate, or are you just more comfortable believing we are all as dumb as you once were?
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The next question I have is, do you care whether your understanding of actual liberals and left wing ideology is accurate, or are you just more comfortable believing we are all as dumb as you once were?
I do my best to understand and you don't give me enough credit. I could probably do a live debate and give a better defense of liberal positions than you can to be honest.

I am not sure of any of your actual positions so haven't attacked any. You seem to just post stuff you dislike about trump and strawman conservative beliefs to a certain extent.

 Notice how I even tried to get you to give an argument for guns control by bringing up gun bans but you instead said "no liberal wants a gun bans" . Bro then say what you believe so we have something to discuss.

Personally that particular subject I don't much care about other than my right to have a gun. So in all likelihood if you don't advocate for a gun ban we have nothing to talk about or debate there.

You did at one point say that you wanted more gun control because of black gun violence but I don't think you have any specifics.

I think you have a poor argument against the electoral college at some point, but I may be confusing you with somebody else.

Where you Bryan on DDO, if so you were a very poor debaters and I did have superior arguments in defense of liberal positions than you?
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I do my best to understand and you don't give me enough credit.
I would love to, but you haven't shown you deserve any. Everytime I interact with you you strawman the hell out of me to the pointI find myself wondering who are you talking to?

Notice how I even tried to get you to give an argument for guns control by bringing up gun bans but you instead said "no liberal wants a gun bans"
Guns weren't the topic, I find that one of the most valuable abilities in intellectual conversation is to keep the conversation on topic. But if this is really where you want it to go...

Bro then say what you believe so we have something to discuss.
I'll keep this really simple... More guns = more gun violence. Therefore, the more prevalent guns are the more likely each of us are to get shot.

This is not to say there will be less violence, it means that when violence does break out it will be less likely to end in death, since that is what guns are designed to cause.

Ultimately, what I believe is that we should apply the same logic to guns as we do anything else in life. If any other product caused the amount of injuries and death in our society, we would regulate the hell out of it. We would do whatever it takes to ensure people are safe. And in so doing, we would carefully balance the safety risks posed with the benefits it brings. We do this with everything else in life, but not guns.
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I'll keep this really simple... More guns = more gun violence. Therefore, the more prevalent guns are the more likely each of us are to get shot.
That's a little too simple and doesn't really state a policy position.

Like less guns like if my grandma lives in an unsafe neighborhood is she allowed to own one?

Less is not a policy position. It's just like retarded conservatives who say

"I want less taxes"

Well then how much taxes are appropriate?

What about addressing the root issues? If we handed guns to 100 random Japanese kids and 100 random black kids will there be a difference in gun violence? If so why? Focus on the why for that answer?

If it's fatherless homes how come?

If more homes are fatherless why?

Let's address that.

If more homes are fatherless due to increased incarceration let's address that root issues.

Why are we focusing on symptons and not the problem?

How can we address the problem? If it is a self feeding problem, which I suspect it is, how do we interrupt the self perpetuating cycle?

So your solution to gun violence is remove guns, where is I would strengthen the family unit, institute criminal Justice reform that helps criminals become productive citizens and to end the gerrymandering of school districts so poor kids have just as much opportunities as those in wealthier area codes.


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So your solution to gun violence is remove guns, where is I would strengthen the family unit, institute criminal Justice reform that helps criminals become productive citizens and to end the gerrymandering of school districts so poor kids have just as much opportunities as those in wealthier area codes.
Can’t get away from investing in the American family can you?
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That's a little too simple and doesn't really state a policy position.
I wasn't trying to state a policy position, I was as I said, keeping it really simple.

All policy positions come from some philisophical baseline, I find it more productive to address that. To start with policy positions and work backwards when you already know you disagree with the person you're talking to seems unproductive.

So do you disagree with anything I said in my last post? That's where the real conversation is, everything else comes from those basic ideas and presumptions.

But if you really want to know, I support background checks, gun safety training requirements, banning assault weapons, banning extended magazines, and strongly oppose permitless carry, to name a few.

What about addressing the root issues?
It's not an either/or. Addressing gun violence doesn't stop us from addressing root causes. But a major part of the problem here and one of the things that is so contradictory about the political right is that the root causes are often personal/cultural. Fatherless homes as an example... How do you address that through government? And this is the contradiction; the political right peaches freedom and small government, but then suggest it's government's job to fix America's culture. Those are mutually exclusive positions.

A perfect example of this comes up everytime there's a gun tragedy. The left focuses on guns, the right focuses on mental health. Ok, but which side has actually made proposals to deal with mental health? Not the right.