The gang apartment take over myth

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Just 6 months ago the media took JD Vance and Trump through the ringer claiming they lied about apartments being taken over in Colorado. 


I am co fused. Is this fake news? Before conservatives were mocked for saying Denver had some gang related problems, even if there is a debate on the specifics of what that means. So does anyone want to argue these 16 men were innocent and that Denver is a a crime free liberal utopia?
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I dont give a fuck, retire
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@WyIted
Just 6 months ago the media took JD Vance and Trump through the ringer claiming they lied about apartments being taken over in Colorado. 

No they weren't, and your own article says that (requires paid subscription and I already backed out so I can't quote it, but you should really read your own source). They were arrested for a home invasion and a kidnapping.

Before conservatives were mocked for saying Denver had some gang related problems,
That's not what they said, they were mocked for lying about a "gang takeover" of an apartment complex.

So does anyone want to argue these 16 men were innocent and that Denver is a a crime free liberal utopia?
No, because no one is making that claim. This is right wing reimagination of what the left is pointing out.
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Majority is fake.
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Majority is fake.
An investigation is underway. America has a gang problem.
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I think the reporter did say it was only 16 criminals, and that's okay and acceptable.
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I think the reporter did say it was only 16 criminals, and that's okay and acceptable.
Fake news is not acceptable.
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Welcome fellow.
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Welcome fellow.
You already said that before. Is that all you have to say?
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That's not what they said, they were mocked for lying about a "gang takeover" of an apartment complex.
What the hell do you think takeover means? Do you think they bought the building and was renting it out?

Also who is closer to the truth even if you were stupid enough to take that literally. Those claiming gang takeovers (which honestly just means over run in common parlance) or the media and the left saying Denver didn't have gang problems? 
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What the hell do you think takeover means?
It certainly doesn't mean a gang intrusion into one apartment and subsequent kidnapping.

Also who is closer to the truth even if you were stupid enough to take that literally. Those claiming gang takeovers (which honestly just means over run in common parlance) or the media and the left saying Denver didn't have gang problems? 
Both of your made up claims are far from the truth. The difference is that one of these claims *is* being made by the right while the other claim isn't being made by anyone on the left.

Gangs in America exist. Everyone knows this. No one is pretending they don't, no one is pretending it's not an issue.
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Gangs in America exist. Everyone knows this. No one is pretending they don't, no one is pretending it's not an issue.
MAGA gangs are more violent Eg Jan 6 rioters on Capitol Hill.
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Gangs in America exist. Everyone knows this. No one is pretending they don't, no one is pretending it's not an issue.

Then why say that it's not an issue when the right brings it up and instead nitpicking over obvious hyperbole and try to downplay the problem?
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Gangs in America exist. Everyone knows this. No one is pretending they don't, no one is pretending it's not an issue.

Then why say that it's not an issue when the right brings it up and instead nitpicking over obvious hyperbole and try to downplay the problem?
I think he said: no one is pretending it's not an issue.
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Why are democrats like this?

https://youtube.com/shorts/HeO31hyCB_E?si=yhIzIL4jpTVLSbv4
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They are dealers.

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Gangs in America exist. Everyone knows this. No one is pretending they don't, no one is pretending it's not an issue.
Then why say that it's not an issue when the right brings it up and instead nitpicking over obvious hyperbole and try to downplay the problem?
If you're making a claim that's just made up nonsense, I'm going to call you out for spreading made up nonsense. It's not my responsibility to figure out what you're really trying to argue.
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If you're making a claim that's just made up nonsense, I'm going to call you out for spreading made up nonsense. It's not my responsibility to figure out what you're really trying to argue.
If somebody gives me hyperbole like "everyone and their mother is shooting up schools" I am not going to randomly say school shootings are not a problem and nitpick that not technically everyone shoots up schools. I am going to steelman their argument and address the position they were more likely, actually arguing for
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Again, no one said gangs are not a problem. You continue to argue with your own imagination.

If you actually cared about steelmanning anyone's position you would not need to be told this repeatedly. When I pointed this out initially you asked why that wasn't addressed regardless of the fact that it was a strawman at the outset. Steelmanning is the opposite of that, the whole idea is that you ask these questions to yourself first not place the burden on anyone else to ask and answer it.
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Again, no one said gangs are not a problem. You continue to argue with your own imagination. 

If you actually cared about steelmanning anyone's position you would not need to be told this repeatedly. When I pointed this out initially you asked why that wasn't addressed regardless of the fact that it was a strawman at the outset. Steelmanning is the opposite of that, the whole idea is that you ask these questions to yourself first not place the burden on anyone else to ask and answer it.
Great advice. Hope he takes it. Is steelmanning a new word?