Albums Mafia: Track Three

Hm, we’re using two different wikis here but they say the same thing, MS just words it differently than MU. It would mean seeing my role, despite being passive, as an action that can be bus driven despite that I have no targets that could get target swapped.

I guess I passively target myself , so maybe people who target me become targets?

Fair, but one of casey's abilities could also be a cop ability. That said does a miller exist for a 1x cop ability? Anyways I acknowledge that the reason for doubting your role is kind of bad to begin with, just that it seems town is pretty powerful with everything claimed so far, plus what we've seen in the grave. But like I said, ceru did say it was a role madness game and mafia could have counters to everything for all we know. 

The only thing that doesn't make sense is if austin strengthened you, your results should have worked past a manipulation role. So, either he is lying, you are lying, or for some reason cerulean doesn't allow strengthener to work on your role. Which is why I am having him ask ceru how is role works with yours, but I imagine if he was scum austin would just lie about the answer here anyway. Still worth asking I suppose and we can evaluate that based on the feedback. But if it comes down to one of you lying, I am leaning you being the townie here, because for one I think you would have understood the bus driver stuff better if you were scum, seeing as it's like the only thing that explains your actions here. And secondly, because you made a huge point in the last game we played about how you don't like taking big risks like that as mafia, and in the end you were right and town. That would be a major mix up from this game. That is still wifom reasoning, but at the end of the day that was a pretty ballsy move of you if you were scum, and part of me doesn't see you doing that. Something isn't lining up with austin though, unless I am just wrong about how strengthener works. 

There may be any or all of the following mechanics present: Third Party/Neutral alignments, abilities that hide/alter the flips of the dead, and abilities that punish character or role claiming.

There are mechanics in this game that may cause Night feedback to be incorrect or missing.

We know that WyIted basically gave away his role DP1. Maybe he thought he was being clever with that whole "opposite of the opposite of a Miller" nonsense, but I'm guessing that Cerulean took that as a role claim. He also claimed his album, Bad, in DP1. It would not surprise me if the punishment were something like "WyIted now has the hidden role of Sleepwalker, which automatically visits another player independent of his Neighborizer visit". I know this is spit-balling, but this is also in the first OP:

but this is also in the first OP:

There are mechanics in this game that may cause Night feedback to be incorrect or missing.

That definitely includes the Miller, but I don't think Cerulean would have included this specific bit of information just to let town know that a Miller is likely in this game, especially if there's a Tracker role also in play. Maybe this is meant to point to the existence of the Bus Driver and it was used the way Luna described, though even that could be a "punishment" inflicted by granting scum an extra role to use during NP1 based on WyIted's or GP's claims.

We know the Miller exists, so the question is not whether a Cop exists, but what type of Cop. If it seems odd that a Miller exists solely for the purpose of balancing a 1X Cop, then it would necessarily be even odder if the Miller existed solely for the purpose of balancing one of Casey's unknown roles, which would just be a hidden 1X Cop.

Hey guys sorry for not responding to anything. I drove to Austin for the girls birthday and then she literally took away my phone. I’ll catch up when she goes to class. 

I think that leans into the realm of bastard modding, and I am not really sold that is the way it was meant to be interpeted. I figure it is more of "you don't wanna claim your character because mafia might have a role that can effect character claims" or something rather than an invasive mechanic included by the mod. 

I think the wording of "mechanics" is what is causing this paranoia, but like I said above, I'd assume that was a player role like, lawyer, framer, tailor, something like that rather than something the mod would just randomly include to punish town arbitrarily. Otherwise town would have abilities that should counter mafia inherently, again bastard, and I really don't think that is what ceru meant by any of that. Maybe I am wrong, but It seems like a bigger stretch to believe the adverse. 

I kind of half ceded this point already, so it's not really worth debating, but it is technically possible for a miller to exist for a 1x cop. I'll give you the point though that it's probably unlikely. 

Is still have no idea how Wylted showed up on my 

I’m glad Austin didn’t answer my question. It was selfish of me to ask that, I was trying too hard to solve this game.

I was asking because I wondered if by some chance, that Austin had an ability that could redirect a night kill away from me, and that Wylted’s miller somehow made him follow scum’s visits.

So, if a Ninja visited me and Austin somehow deflected the night kill away from me, it would show Wylted following the Ninja’s path and showing up on my results.

That was my theory. Anyway, my theory about that one particular plan the scum team could do to keep me alive and save me for a mislynch revolved around Earth and Wylted using a tailor of some kind on Wylted to mislynch me today.

I’m guessing there’s no tailor because I asked Cerulean “What the hell is this setup?” and he said it’s apparently one that’s not going to well for town.

“There are mechanics in this game that may cause Night feedback to be incorrect or missing.”

Alright, I'm going to just straight up claim at this point.

As I hinted back in DP1, I'm Beneath the Skin by Of Monsters and Men, and I'm the investigative JOAT. The justification is that the band improved with this second album by getting more personal with one another, figuratively getting "beneath the skin" of their other members.

I had two shots with it, one that allowed me to see the text of an ability used by the person I was targeting (used on NP1 on Earth, determined that he used his Doc role) and the other was a Cop role (used on NP2 on Pie, it said he was  town-aligned - yes, that's how it was stated in the PM). The former is the reason I didn't sus Earth DP2 (sucks that he's dead), the latter was more of a gut feeling (sorry Pie) that I needed to get clarity on Pie. Unless there's somehow another Cop role in this game, WyIted's flip confirms my role.

As for what we can do now, I recognize that the result I got on Pie could be manipulated, but for now he's my strongest townread based on this result. I'm against lynching him this DP at minimum. That leaves Mharman, Luna and Austin. Before I give my thoughts on who to lynch, I'd like to see full claims from the latter two. I'd also like Pie's claim at this point. Regardless of my result, there's no reason to hold back at this stage.

My gutread is that some manipulation occurred, which points towards either Luna or Austin as the lynch this DP. Hence those claims are needed.

I'm non-consecutive strengthener. Nonconsecutive means I can't target the same player twice in a row, not that I can't act two nights in a row (idk why Cerulean made it this way).

I hinted at this pretty heavily DP2.

I targeted Mharman N1 and Luna N2. Mharman because I townread him, Luna because I had the feeling he was softing a strong PR.

I realized I didn’t ping Austin on that last post, sorry about that.

It’s admittedly more of an attempt to parse what happened. If Mharman is telling the truth, then there’s a role in play from scum that manipulated his result. If that role exists and a Strengthener exists, then either the Strengthener cannot affect it (which makes its non-consecutive use seem unnecessary and the role itself underpowered given that scum have roles that will manipulate regardless) or it can and it failed to do so. If it’s the former, then the balance in this game is especially weird.

I am in the POE, so I will full claim. I am LD.50, an album from Mudvayne (a hardcore numetal band from the early 2000's who I saw perform late last year and they fvcking killed it). One of their hit songs that made them take off from that album was "Dig", thus I  am a 1x "gravedigger" and have the ability to "Dig up a dead player and use an ability of theirs". I basically only had the option to dig up casey np1, so I used my ability on him and greyparrots seemed like a waste.  I chose his "I am the truth from which you run" ability and used it on pie, figuring it was an investigative role. 

I was told last night after using it that it was a tracker, and thatpie had visited no one. 

I was debating using it between pie and whiteflame, since both were POE for me after last day phase. 

Where?

The strengthener doesn’t make sense to me. I’m more and more starting to think it’s an Austin/Luna scum team because Luna mentioned the Bus Driver yesterday and Austin now comes with the Strengthener. It just seems super convenient.

Austin visiting you is also suspect. It’s conceivable that he could’ve messed with your self investigation and in the process got caught because you could see who visited you. Ceru mentioned that

Also, btw, if I'm scum I just claim a more powerful version of strengthener to make it look like Mharman had to be lying about his results and secure a winning mislynch. The only way I can reasonably be scum here is if I'm teammates with Mharman, which is... something I suppose.

It’s basically the soundtrack from the movie 3 Idiots. He mainly used the movie as the justification (I genuinely think Ceru watched the movie with the justification he wrote) with the main character Rancho having a big impact on everyone that he went to college with including his professor and fellow students. He helped each and everyone of them become a better version of themselves even though it was at the expense of never seeing them again at least till the ending. Because of this, I am the Virgin

My ability is called Aal Iz Well: If I ever die in the night, all kills the next night phase will be blocked.