Albums Mafia: Track Two

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Well, that isn't the hammer since I hopped off your wagon here. If someone else wants to hammer you in the time it takes me to come back, so be it.
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Earth jumped on though so it should be
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Ah... guess you're right, missed that vote. Oh well.
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If that is endgame because Austin gave him a gun or something this is going to be ridiculous
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WyIted lynch is locked in. I won't be able to do the ending post for a few hours, since I'm on mobile.

Somebody ask the mod if somebody compulsively visits themselves if they could be redirected to somebody else or if the redirection would fail
I will not answer this specific question, but in general, a question of "Is X possible?" Is very likely to be answered with "Yes," considering this is a closed setup. The array of roles possible, while not infinite, is very, very large.
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The game is not over.
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My flip is innocent submit conditial night actions if you don't believe it. Let's get the next DP up before I am off work niggas. 
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Why would mharman start by asking who visited Casey? My theory is that he was planning to claim watcher or something but changed his mind and then started to shift and who visited him.
the reason I asked people who visited Casey and I was to control for factors that may have affected my results, such as a redirect or bus driver.

credit for hammering yourself I guess, but I think you turning on me was desperation... Lunatic says you would lean more into mechanics to say my results were bad rather than challenge me as scum, but I disagree.

on the mechanical note, I do have one final question for Austin: Do you have a role that can redirect actions, potentially a kill attempt?
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honestly Earth is back on the table

I can see a coordinated bus where Earth and Wylted decided to end the DP early...

I'll order it Lunatic, Earth, and Pie for contention on the teammate.
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the reason I asked people who visited Casey and I was to control for factors that may have affected my results, such as a redirect or bus driver.
I got Casey's name in my PM so I was not bus driven. 
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If I was bus drive. It was to GP which is nonsensical. It also makes zero sense to busdrice me from scum pov
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I obv have no way of verifying that, but that still helps my case because it's one less way my results could have been interfered with
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regardless, the reason I concluded I wasn't bus driven was because Austin visited me
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So, I may or ma
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Nobodybwas bus driven. Either me or you are scum. I was already today's lynch and they would need to know you role for bus driving Mr to make sense
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Your results weren't interfered with lol. I definitely visited Carey so the only working theory is you are scum
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I accidentally posted that before I typed it. I don't know how, but some it posted when I hit enter. I'm no computer guy so don't @ me about it.

Anyway, as I was saying:

I may or may not be dead by next DP morning. We'll see, it depends on what play the scum team wants to make. I will take this time to go in-depth on my thoughts on Earth, Pie, and Lunatic. (After more thought as I'm typing this out, I'm reordering Earth ahead of Lunatic. Actually, I'm gonna put Lunatic below Pie after even more thought. Could go either way between those two for second, behind Earth.) I'm giving you these thoughts now so you have them.

Earth: Has done nothing all game but hide in the shadows. That pings my radar.

For Earth to be Wylted's teammate, he needed to play a role in Wylted's claim, which means he must've felt Wylted needed to claim and didn't talk Wylted out of claiming miller. That's weird, but Earth isn't the best at fake claiming in my opinion. His strength as scum lies in hiding well... his "love of coffee" secondary justification for Godot in Ace Attorney Mafia was pretty bad imo. I can see a world where Earth and Wylted ended the DP early... it relies on them making a play that will keep me alive. I will explain what I'm talking about DP3, if I am alive by then.

For Earth to be town, what I've said just needs to be false. Wylted could have self hammered to end all discussions, seeing that he was cooked. It means Earth would have looked for someone else to press and would've stated a townread on Wylted as scum. To be honest, I'm not sure. Wylted refusing to claim will still look scummy to me, and Earth's defense out of nowhere would have as well.

Pie: For Pie to be Wylted's teammate, he would have to be bussing Wylted ever since I pressed for a claim, or close to the end of DP1 when the writing was on the walls for Wylted at some point (it depends on what you see as a bus). I can see him being opportunistic last DP as well, and I can see him trying to redirect the wagon toward Earth while acknowledging Wylted behavior, while not adding a vote.

But that's where it ends. Pie is better at fake claims than Earth, and him telling Wylted to claim would mean he gave the claim to Wylted on some oversight or overthought (or he lazily approved Wylted's claim) and hard committed to bussing Wylted when no one believes him claim. But then he would've made the mistake of
directing me back to Wylted when I was waffling on him late DP1, so that doesn't really track. I think this is all a big what-if that doesn't align with reality and requires a lot of bullshit to be true. I know Pie is very capable, but this doesn't seem like a good play if he's scum.

Also, he doesn't have to read Wylted as scum in his final reads considering Greyparrot was about to be lynched anyway and there was still time to hard commit to directing town away from Wylted.

The big thing that tells me Pie is town is that he considered my point on Earth this DP. I'm thinking it may no longer be correct, but the fact that he did so when he could have kept his options open rather than going for Lunatic in my PoE tells me considering option and he's town. I also liked how he showed up to give his thoughts last DP, unlike Earth. I asl think he's putting more effort in than last game, despite his illness.

Lunatic: I felt Lunatic had the strongest case because I didn't really see a town case for him. I didn't like his response to Wylted and I last DP (I also felt it could have been scripted between he and Wylted). I also didn't like how this DP, I felt he was pulling the wagon away from Wylted (he said Wylted would appeal to mechanics as scum, but there he is, doing it).

However, this case feels completely unfair to Lunatic and I disavow it. For starters, I can see him being a little irritated with Wylted and I last DP if he felt we weren't considering his situation enough. Also, the reason for his theory about whether scum would appeal to mechanics or challenge isn't self-incriminating- it's the opposite. It's probably because it is the townie thing to do and Lunaitc sees it from his own townie POV. He's concluding that Wylted would try to blend in more as scum.

And finally, lack of a town case is easily explained by his inactivity. I do have a town case on him now though, and it's the simpler explanation for everything he's done so far.
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Nobodybwas bus driven. Either me or you are scum. I was already today's lynch and they would need to know you role for bus driving Mr to make sense

I don't like this dichotomy from you. I see one way this can be wrong. It's not likely, but I do think you would spend more time on mechanics than going after me if you were town.

I can also see a way in which you are scum, but you and your teammate have a plan.
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All in all, I tried to ensure my results were accurate before revealing my hand. There's still a way they could be wrong and your miller really does somehow mess up my results, but it requires a few things to fall into place and I'm going with what's more likely.
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Honestly I wouldn't be shocked if Earth designed or approved that fake claim of Wylted's and they are going for the particular play I'm thinking of.
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Closing post imminent.
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smh just when I had time to get into the DP...

I'll reread overnight. Hopefully Wylted flips scum, otherwise I have a lot of questions for Mharman tomorrow.
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Day 2, FINAL VOTECOUNT

WyIted: 4 (Mharman, Pie, Earth, WyIted)

Majority is 4.

WyIted was eliminated! He was Innocent!

Send your Night Actions now. You have 24 hours to do so.
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answer my question rq?
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too late. my b
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See above and close thread.