Biden reportedly set to pardon his son.

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Trump got the majority of Christian’s votes inspired by the Trump bibles.
when he first came out with his new and improved Bible I thought, I can't believe he thinks there are Christians that are that fucking stupid.

Well, seeing is believing, he showed us you just can't underestimate MAGA stupidity.

Every time I think this has to be rock bottom, MAGA just sinks lower and lower.

I must admit, you constantly prove me wrong, I don't think there is a bottom, you have invented new depths of stupid and immoral, and it's all fueled by hatred.

You talk shit about the Bible, but obviously, you've never read it.



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I don’t really care. Biden will be out of office soon.
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I must admit, you constantly prove me wrong, I don't think there is a bottom, you have invented new depths of stupid and immoral, and it's all fueled by hatred.

You talk shit about the Bible, but obviously, you've never read it.
I can talk about the Bible because I quote others who have read it like biblical scholars like Harikrish.

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I actually don’t have a huge problem with him pardoning his son. The issue is how adamantly he said he wouldn’t pardon his son if found guilty.
Reasonable in theory, but I have two problems with this:

That was before Trump won the election and then nominated a man who *publicly* said he would use the Justice department to go after Trump’s political enemies to lead the FBI. So much for all that “Trump’s not really going to weaponize the DOJ” BS. If I were Joe I’m certainly not about to hand my son who’s already been put through the ringer to this DOJ.

Second, no one who supports Trump has any ground to stand on when it comes to lying. Remind me again who pays tariffs vs what Trump has been telling the country about this for years?

Joe’s actions are hardly defendable here if we’re applying normal President standards, but that’s is story of this election; only one side gets held to those standards. It’s beyond disingenuous.
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If the new DOJ finds new crimes or manufactures misdemeanors into felonies, a pardon now won't save Hunter. It only saves him from the old DOJ that had their own agenda.

Regardless, it's nice to see Biden join Maga and publicly claim that the DOJ is weaponized and political. It's highly likely the DOJ was trying to scare/extort Biden enough to drop out of the race before he shafted the DNC with an endorsement of loser Kamala, destroying a chance at an open primary. Deep state really underestimated Biden here.
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 Remind me again who pays tariffs vs what Trump has been telling the country about this for years?
Let me break this down again for you Destiny.

1) Biden Tariffs were fine with you, despite Kamala losing on the economy issue.
2) No American pays if tariffs are set high enough.
3) Tariffs at any level hurts China, which means China pays at any level.

I'm looking forward to a China free America where we do not put China first over the security of our own people. Covid  taught us this.

Biden spent a trillion dollars on Green subsidies to "save the planet"
We can pay a lot less swapping to non Chinese goods to save the nation.
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Good. Hopefully now the party will drop the pretense that the candidates they field are morally better people than Trump.
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That was before Trump won the election and then nominated a man who *publicly* said he would use the Justice department to go after Trump’s political enemies to lead the FBI. So much for all that “Trump’s not really going to weaponize the DOJ” BS. If I were Joe I’m certainly not about to hand my son who’s already been put through the ringer to this DOJ.
Biden didn’t say, “It depends.” He said, “No pardon for Hunter.”

Second, no one who supports Trump has any ground to stand on when it comes to lying.
The above is what I call a “cuts both ways” claim:

“No one who supports [Biden] has any ground to stand on when it comes to lying.”

The irony here is that many, including myself, believe Trump would have said, “Sure, I’ll pardon my son if it comes down to it. What father wouldn’t?”
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Yeah, it's unfathomably unrealistic to think Trump would at any time lie and say "I trust the Justice system" therefore, there will be no pardon for his children.

Biden had to keep up the charade to get along when he proclaimed that broken promise. After he was thrown under the bus by his own party, he is now free to do what he wants and can drop the pretense that anything in the justice system was/is "fair" and "trustworthy"
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I am glad you are helping to support one of the last dying corporate TDS propaganda outlets. History has a display all placed out for your sect.

The deep state is running out of smokescreens to hide behind. The Wizards of DC will be revealed, and rejected soundly.
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He didn't just pardon.

He blanket pardoned, all the way back to when he was selling US foreign policy.

AND THEN he said the reason was lawfare.

Truly it's a bad time to be a left-tribe hack.
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Trump will blanket pardon himself, or resign on the last day and let JD Vance pardon him if the courts protest.

The courts are simply too unreliable to trust anymore when they can fabricate felonies out of a QuickBooks drop down.

It wasn't Biden or Trump that destroyed the legal system. Look at the Soros prosecutors who destroyed the country from within.

I'm not entirely convinced the DOJ didn't use Hunter as extortion to get Biden to play ball with the deep state.
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He didn't just pardon.
Yeah, actually I do have an issue with the blanket pardon. What’s next— a future acts pardon?

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The courts are simply too unreliable to trust anymore when they can fabricate felonies out of a QuickBooks drop down.
Preaching to the choir, but the problem isn't solved so long as DC zombies are the jury pool for federal employees.

That's an unacceptable advantage in lawfare that the left-tribe has.

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@cristo71
He didn't just pardon.
Yeah, actually I do have an issue with the blanket pardon. What’s next— a future acts pardon?
Every POTUS pardons everyone in his admin for everything past and future every inauguration day?

That's why lawfare was a box that the deep state should not have opened.
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@cristo71
Biden didn’t say, “It depends.” He said, “No pardon for Hunter.”
He did, and it’s a bad look for him. But in all seriousness, what was he supposed to say? “I’ll pardon Hunter if Trump wins”? Just imagine the political firestorm comments like that would have caused. Any ambiguity at all on whether he would have pardoned Hunter would have been headlines all over the country, so I don’t see what else he was even supposed to say. 

Second, no one who supports Trump has any ground to stand on when it comes to lying.
The above is what I call a “cuts both ways” claim:

“No one who supports [Biden] has any ground to stand on when it comes to lying.”
You can argue that all day long, that doesn’t make it rationally defensible. Trump defenders love to pretend everything is black and white; You’re either a liar or you’re not a liar. You’re either a hypocrite or you’re not a hypocrite. That’s it, that’s all. But of course that’s ridiculous. There are levels to these kinds of things, and on any topic of anything having to do with ethics Trump is categorically worse than anything we have seen in our lifetimes. So no, it doesn’t cut both ways.

The irony here is that many, including myself, believe Trump would have said, “Sure, I’ll pardon my son if it comes down to it. What father wouldn’t?”
2024 Trump wouldn’t have even let it get to that, he would have fired the prosecutor who dared to investigate his son in the first place.

This right here is exactly the point and problem. Everything Joe Biden did is understandable even if ultimately wrong. But at least with Joe it was a struggle. That struggle came from a respect for the rule of law and the responsibility he felt he had to play along and set an example. In the end, the circumstances were too much for the former to win out. Meanwhile Trump has none of that and everyone knows it.

People like you brand Trump as honest which is good, but it’s easy to be honest when you have no respect for American institutions and ran on a platform of burning every political norm and institution to the ground. There’s nothing virtuous about that. At all. There’s no reason to play along with a system you don’t respect. There’s no reason to respect institutions you don’t give a damn about. Trump’s honesty when it comes to things like this is not commendable, it’s nothing more than a natural byproduct of how despicable of a human being he is.
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Truly it's a bad time to be a left-tribe hack.
It’s hilarious how terrible it is when the left does it, but when Trump pardons a convicted felon and then names him as an ambassador to France that’s ok. And when Trump pardons people who committed crimes on his own behalf that’s also fine. It’s almost as if you guys really do understand basic morality and ethics, but just don’t seem to think it applies to your guy.
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It's the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine)
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Truly it's a bad time to be a left-tribe hack.
It’s hilarious how terrible it is when the left does it, but when Trump pardons a convicted felon and then names him as an ambassador to France that’s ok
It's OK when the crimes are fake or victimless.

It's not OK when the crimes are real with real victims.

Also lying to the public in order to cover up you stealing from the public is not OK.

That's the algorithm I'm using.


And when Trump pardons people who committed crimes on his own behalf that’s also fine
So what do you make about the time period the pardon for Hunter was for?


It’s almost as if you guys really do understand basic morality and ethics
My basic morality was never "whatever people under color of law say is moral" and it never will be.

Hypocrisy is a problem in two ways. It is a moral problem and it is a logical problem.

It is a moral problem with the hypocrisy arises out of intentional dishonesty with your professed principles.

It is a logical problem when you have made a logical error that has allowed you to delude yourself into thinking there is no contradiction. Trump never swore off pardons. Trump never implied that lawfare was made up. Biden and friends did. They're the hypocrites here. They're the ones who expected everyone to laugh away "lawfare" as a silly concept nobody could take seriously.

Now they believe in it, they believe in it only when the people they don't trust have the gun. "oooh lawfare is real when Trump is in charge because he doesn't care about the law".

You can't have it both ways.

Either the system is corruptible or it isn't

If it is, then once again as always: There is no substitute for reason.

The first thing reason advises is to look at precedent. That is precisely what you people (and you in particular Double R) didn't give a shit about.

Thus I continue to conclude that lawfare is real, the left-tribe started it and brought it to near democracy toppling levels, and now as always they project their sins onto the other side. "confession through projection".

It is unclear how far Trump & friends will twist and distort the law, how little they will care about precedent; but I won't be weeping tears of blood if they do because government and morality are not identical. At a certain level of conflict the law becomes another battlefield, the resolution of moral issues through the law is itself a matter of negotiated consensus. We can stop shooting when the enemy surrenders and whether peace (law and order) can be restored at that point is up to the future generations to decide.
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so I don’t see what else he was even supposed to say. 
You think Biden essentially had no choice but to lie about his intent?

So no, it doesn’t cut both ways.
Trump tends not to lie about his intent. “He is who he is.” This is why many of his supporters like to claim “promises made; promises kept.”
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so I don’t see what else he was even supposed to say. 
You think Biden essentially had no choice but to lie about his intent?

So no, it doesn’t cut both ways.
Trump tends not to lie about his intent. “He is who he is.” This is why many of his supporters like to claim “promises made; promises kept.”
Biden was a candidate for 2024. His candidacy would have suffered if he pardoned his son. But having dropped out Biden had a few months left as president. What better use of presidential powers than pardoning a family member and saving him from going to jail.
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I spend more time on X than here, and let me tell you the leftists are exposing themselves for just how goddamn stupid they are over this.

Going back and asserting pardons for Nixon, etc etc etc.

The thing these idiots are not taking into account is the GLARING FACT that Biden pardoned Hunter for an entire 10-11 year period for anything and everything that he was either charged with, or not charged with but could be proven to have committed a crime. 

IOW, it literally throws anything and everything on the laptop inadmissible in court. 

Totally unprecedented. Corrupt. Bullshit. 

Clearly the Biden family, specifically Hunter, is above the law. 
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I spend more time on X than here, and let me tell you the leftists are exposing themselves for just how goddamn stupid they are over this.

Going back and asserting pardons for Nixon, etc etc etc.

The thing these idiots are not taking into account is the GLARING FACT that Biden pardoned Hunter for an entire 10-11 year period for anything and everything that he was either charged with, or not charged with but could be proven to have committed a crime. 

IOW, it literally throws anything and everything on the laptop inadmissible in court. 

Totally unprecedented. Corrupt. Bullshit. 

Clearly the Biden family, specifically Hunter, is above the law. 
The Supreme Court declared the President  has total immunity and above the law. He also has the right to pardon anyone. Biden is only exercising his powers in the time he has left.

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Biden is only exercising his powers in the time he has left.
any lying, and confirming lawfare, and being a total hypocrite.
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IOW, it literally throws anything and everything on the laptop inadmissible in court. 
Pardons do not squash evidence.

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I would do the same.

AOL parents would do the same. He did lie and say he wouldn't. The lie is a moral failing but damn near all people are going to spare their children from prison if given the chance
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It's OK when the crimes are fake or victimless.
You mean like lying about your drug use on a gun application, or evading taxes that you already paid back?

It's not OK when the crimes are real with real victims.
Like inciting a mob attack on the US Capitol that resulted in 140 Capitol police officers getting their heads bashed in along with the death of one of the rioters?

Also lying to the public in order to cover up you stealing from the public is not OK.
You mean like running a fake university or stealing from your own charity?

That's the algorithm I'm using.
Clearly not

And when Trump pardons people who committed crimes on his own behalf that’s also fine
So what do you make about the time period the pardon for Hunter was for?
What do you make of Trump pardoning people who were convicted for crimes they committed on his own behalf? You forgot to address that.

The time period for Hunter makes sense given Biden’s stated reasons for issuing it. The republicans have been obsessed with Hunter for absolutely no reason for the past 4 years. He remains the only private citizen (as in person who never held a position of power) to ever have a special counsel go appointed to go after him. His genitals were literally plastered on the screen in a congressional committee investigative hearing, and the gun charges he was prosecuted on have never been prosecuted as a stand alone offense. Ever. Republicans are obsessed with him, and since Trump just named the guy who publicly stated he would use the DOJ to go after Trumps political opponents as his FBI director, it makes perfect sense that he would take the time period republicans zeroed in on off the table.

Trump never swore off pardons.
So therefore we don't hold Trump to any standards when assessing his egregious abuses of the pardon power. That standard only applies to Biden and the democrats. Got it.

Trump never implied that lawfare was made up. Biden and friends did. They're the hypocrites here. They're the ones who expected everyone to laugh away "lawfare" as a silly concept nobody could take seriously.

Now they believe in it, they believe in it only when the people they don't trust have the gun.
No, they believe in it when the totality of the evidence logically concludes that it is real.

But even in that statement I'm granting you too much. What Biden said was absolutely correct; Hunter was prosecuted only because his last name was Biden. I already explained why above. That isn't warfare, that's an overreach of a prosecutor making a name for himself. Lawfare is when it's organizational. It's when the orders are coming from the top, and we both know neither Joe Biden or Merrick Garland was orchestrating this.

There was no lawfare in this administration nor was there in Trump's first term. His second term however... He's made clear it's actually coming. The fact that Trump appointed the man who publicly stated he'd go after Trump's political rivals to run the FBI has made that undeniably clear.

You can't have it both ways.

Either the system is corruptible or it isn't
Corruptible? Of course it is. Is it actually corrupt? That's a different question.

The first thing reason advises is to look at precedent. That is precisely what you people (and you in particular Double R) didn't give a shit about.
Provide one relevant example here

It is unclear how far Trump & friends will twist and distort the law, how little they will care about precedent; but I won't be weeping tears of blood if they do because...
Because you're an unprincipled hypocrite as this statement here demonstrates.
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Biden is only exercising his powers in the time he has left.
any lying, and confirming lawfare, and being a total hypocrite.
After all he is an American!!
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You think Biden essentially had no choice but to lie about his intent?
Politically, yes. Again, imagine the headlines if he even showed ambiguity about his intentions. But I'm not so sure he was lying about his intentions. It's perfectly plausible that Biden wasn't planning on pardoning him but after Trump's victory and his signaling through his cabinet picks Biden rethought his options.

So no, it doesn’t cut both ways.
Trump tends not to lie about his intent. “He is who he is.” This is why many of his supporters like to claim “promises made; promises kept.”
He doesn't have to lie about it, his supporters have no standards for him. Standards only apply to democrats.