Albums Mafia: Track One (DP1)

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Hi, totally didn't forget about this :)

Some info which I think could be pretty useful: the OP mentions that there might be abilities that punish claiming. Cerulean is a Mafiauniverse player and setup designer and there's a pretty standard setup mechanic there called "anticlaim" which fits that description, which I'm familiar with due to playing on that website a lot.

Generally, the mafia team submits a post containing a claim, and depending on the setup and the degree of information (role info almost always counts for more than character or flavor info), the player who gets "anticlaimed" can be:

-rolecopped
-roleblocked (most common, usually for partial claims)
-killed (pretty common way to punish full claims)
-strongman killed (less common, usually in role madness games with lots of town protective roles)

So I would discourage claiming any info unless it's absolutely necessary.
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Don't have strong reads on anyone in particular right now except for GP.

GP's roleclaim reads as town, treestump is a difficult role to explicitly fake since pretty much any sign of having an active ability just outs you. If he is actually a treestump, then it's basically guaranteed to be town-aligned since there's no point of having a mafia treestump - after flipping scum, no one's going to listen to them.

Casey's post about anticlaim reads a bit town.

vtl whiteflame

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I like that sort of mechanic and thanks for telling me not to claim. Any sort of push back I get for not claiming later in the game should bot come from you. Thank you in advance
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actually nvm

VTL Pie

I remember him being a bit more eager to get things going as town, there was enough content at the time of his posts that I would've expected him to engage with GP's claim to some extent. Not a strong scumlean, but maybe something to get things going.
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I like the mechanic as well. Makes it so people don't just treat claims like a get-out-of-jail free card, which is often the case in role madness setups (I think everyone has a role? It'd be weird to have people send in character submissions and not make a unique role for it).
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I guess I will just do what Austin does for a while. I got nothing better to do. 

Don't know why we would do this without getting claims but I trust him

Unvote VTL Pie
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Cerulean is a Mafiauniverse player and setup designer and there's a pretty standard setup mechanic there called "anticlaim" which fits that description, which I'm familiar with due to playing on that website a lot.
Haven’t heard of this mechanic, but I appreciate your informing us and giving specifics. Best to avoid claiming, as you say.
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I'm still scratching my head on why GP felt he needed to claim so bad. I know he does that a lot, but did he even read the OP?

He did tag Pie; idt he normally tags someone when he does that. Could be a "hey, I did what you asked, boss."

I know they're good friends and all but I don't get it.

Austin has a bit pf a point on Pie... but that's hard to say since we're all inactive.

I'd be down to press Pie for activity at least

VTL Pie
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What makes you think GP is telling the truth? I'm not convinced just yet.
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I guess I will just do what Austin does for a while. I got nothing better to do. 

Don't know why we would do this without getting claims but I trust him

Unvote VTL Pie
Interesting, can you explain why you're townreading me (implicitly at least via voting with me)?

The point of pressure is well, to pressure  - Pie has a reputation as posting a lot and aggressively as town, so I want to see if trying to get him to meet that expectation does anything. At the very least, it's a more helpful vote than pressuring someone who posts similarly in volume and approach as both alignments.


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Casey's post about anticlaim reads a bit town.
Casey didn't say anything about anticlaim specifically.
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What makes you think GP is telling the truth? I'm not convinced just yet.
I'm not? I was just explaining what a Tree Stump is. 
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I'm still scratching my head on why GP felt he needed to claim so bad. I know he does that a lot, but did he even read the OP?
He does it in literally every game iirc, I wouldn't consider it alignment indicative even in the context of this game's mechanics. I think his Treestump claim is towny, if real it's almost certainly town and if fake then it'd be a strange choice to choose.
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Interesting, can you explain why you're townreading me (implicitly at least via voting with me)?
It's not strong but I feel like you wouldn't be discouraging claims if you were scum. 

As far as pie's activity. It is a long weekend for most people. I am not going to be looking into activity too much until DP2
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Pie was lagging behind in activity in Paper Mario Mafia as well. He flew under the radar all game and won as mafia.

We'll see. I expect something from him somewhat soon.
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@Mharman
Casey mentioned:

Cool, but why are you direct claiming this when the OP already said that there may be mechanics in place which punish role/character claiming?
which is basically anticlaim. Thought it was towny of them to out this when otherwise some other people might have started character claiming via talking about their albums.

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Why would it be strange if he's scum? Tree Stump isn't super common.

Although I suppose you do have a point in that scum claiming immediately is a little ridiculous. Lemme go read the OP again... I wanna see if there's something about fakeclaims
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There's not. Idk if scum were given one or not.
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Day 1, Votecount 1

Approximately 45 hours and 35 minutes remain.

WyIted: 1 (Pie)
Austin: 1 (Casey)
Pie: 3 (Austin, WyIted, Mharman)

Majority is 5.

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Casey and Whiteflame may have been softing too. Not sure how I feel about that. In the words of Wylted, "it's anti-town to be obvious as fuck."

I'll give you a slight early town read because I can see your thought process at least. I swear I could scumread everyone but you right now.

You know what? Probably too early for me to start crafting scumreads. If I'm sussing everyone it means I don't really have a good case anywhere. I'll keep townhunting.


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Honestly I don't think scum were given fakeclaims. Everyone submitted their albums already- all scum needs to do is find a town role for the album they submitted.
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I'm a bit busy now, will give reads later. For now, WyIted is probably town. 
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He is looking good, although he has one towntell I haven't seen from him yet. There is a towntell that I have seen though.
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mmm post 50 and 51 by Mharman were towny.

Scumreading a lot of people loosely is a sign of a townie struggling to get into a game and also just isn't what scum do, scum like to blend in and townread as many people as possible to avoid being OMGUSed.

And paying attention to potential scum strategies is also towny - plus, if he was scum, he would know if scum were given fakeclaims and would be less likely to explicitly speculate on them.

So that's my first confident townread.

Wylted, Casey, are leantown for now.

So... Mharman, GP, Wylted, Casey, is what I'm vibing with for now. I think finding townreads early and often is a good strategy in a low-activity DP because it forces those outside of it, whether town or scum, to post more in order to not get boxed out.
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Like Wylted doesn't need to say he's not gonna press someone on activity instantly if he's mafia. This is the tell. I feel like he often gives advice to other players when he's town. This one's easy to fake though. He certainly isn't looking scummy to me, so that's a good start.
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To be honest, RVS is always hard. Maybe we are busy, but it is how DP1 ends up. Not a nice thing but w/e. - EARTH
I find this towny but it's a bit difficult to explain why.

It's like Earth is slightly frustrated in a towny way but doesn't feel pressured to look good. I think as scum he would have a good opportunity to look like an excited townie trying to get the game out of RVS and he would have taken it. But here he's just chilling.

Dunno, just vibes.

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Like Wylted doesn't need to say he's not gonna press someone on activity instantly if he's mafia. This is the tell. I feel like he often gives advice to other players when he's town. This one's easy to fake though. He certainly isn't looking scummy to me, so that's a good start.
Agree with this fwiw.
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Town:

Mharman
GP? (just claim for now, need behavior)

Lean town:

Wylted

Slight town:

Casey
Earth

Null:

WF
Luna

Slight scum:

Pie
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half the posts in this game have been in the last 2 hours,  I got the game out of RVS :p
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Like Wylted doesn't need to say he's not gonna press someone on activity instantly if he's mafia. This is the tell. I feel like he often gives advice to other players when he's town. This one's easy to fake though. He certainly isn't looking scummy to me, so that's a good start.
I agree!!