EXPERT meaning: 1. a person with a high level of knowledge or skill relating to a particular subject or activity.
Trust the "Experts"
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Is Neil deGrasse Tyson an expert?
Here is the important question: Would your algorithm for identifying an expert failed before this gender nonsense?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Gender theory has coerced some experts to compromise their reputations. It is as sad as it is dangerous.
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@FLRW
This is why I am an Atheist.Prominent Christian televangelist and anti-vaccine advocate Marcus Lamb died after being hospitalized with Covid-19, his family announced.Lamb founded Christian television network Daystar Television Network in 1997.His wife Joni Lamb, announced the televangelist’s death on Daystar’s program streamed to Facebook. She said her husband had diabetes but was healthy and was hospitalized after being diagnosed with Covid-19.“He never talked about that, but he had diabetes, but he kept it in check. He was very healthy, he ate healthy, he kept his weight down, and always kept his sugar at a good level. But with trying to treat Covid and the pneumonia, the different protocols that are used, including many of the protocols we talked about here on Daystar, and we used those, and I used them and breezed through Covid.
You are an atheist because some wacko, who happens to believe in Jesus, is anti-science? I am a little confused... Not all Christians are like that... I am personally Catholic and I love science!
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@cristo71
Gender theory has coerced some experts to compromise their reputations. It is as sad as it is dangerous.
It is sad, but also useful.
It's good to know who will compromise their reputation by speaking as an authority on non-sense.
These people can destroy trust that took a century to build in a few years if they are not disowned and expelled from academia. We're probably already too far along, we'll need to start over.
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@MAV99
'The word God is for me nothing but the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of venerable but still rather primitive legends. No interpretation, no matter how subtle, can (for me) change anything about this. '_Albert Einstein 1954
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@ADreamOfLiberty
People also destroyed their credentials promoting CRT as well, as if there's something inherently magical about the "science" of skin color.
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@MAV99
I became an Atheist when I was 12 and my 7 year old cousin just died from cancer.
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@FLRW
I became an Atheist when I was 12 and my 7 year old cousin just died from cancer.
I'm sorry to hear that. My condolences to you and their family.
'The word God is for me nothing but the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of venerable but still rather primitive legends. No interpretation, no matter how subtle, can (for me) change anything about this. '_Albert Einstein 1954
I do think Einstein was a good scientist, and without him we would be far behind in science but... what does he have to do with religion? I do not think he knew as much as he could have about religion. He was a scientist after all. I do not think he is any authority on religion. Period.
I look at those who actually claim to be religious and look at what they say.
Experts have their place. It is only intellectually honest to keep them there. If we don't, we end up agreeing with anybody who has any kind of "status" that says what we want them to say.
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@FLRW
Toward the end of his life, Albert Einstein’s views on religion reflected a profound sense of wonder about the universe combined with a rejection of traditional religious dogma and the concept of a personal God. He believed in what he called a "cosmic religion," inspired by the awe-inspiring order and complexity of nature, which he equated with Spinoza’s God—a non-intervening, impersonal divine force present in the rational harmony of existence. While he admired the ethical teachings of religions, he saw no need for faith in a supernatural deity to guide morality, emphasizing instead the importance of empathy, education, and social ties. Einstein’s perspective was not atheistic but more pantheistic or agnostic, celebrating the mystery and beauty of the cosmos as the ultimate source of spiritual reverence.
A.I.
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@MAV99
You are an atheist because some wacko, who happens to believe in Jesus, is anti-science?
Well, plenty of people who believe in Jesus are wackos.
Now, I have tried starting new religions. Its harder than it looks like.
Stephen Hawking: “Before we understand science, it is natural to believe that God created the universe. But now science offers a more convincing explanation,” he said. “What I meant by ‘we would know the mind of God’ is, we would know everything that God would know, if there were a God, which there isn’t. I’m an atheist.”
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@FLRW
@MAV99
Stephen Hawking: “Before we understand science, it is natural to believe that God created the universe. But now science offers a more convincing explanation,” he said. “What I meant by ‘we would know the mind of God’ is, we would know everything that God would know, if there were a God, which there isn’t. I’m an atheist.”
My mother { experiential expert } and father{ experiential expert } created me, and I trusted/faith in them for some of my childhood years.
This has been true through out the ages until the written news;
1} paper trail
Rome newspaper official news
Venice 1566
Germany first printed news paper 1609
Associated Press { 1841 } is largest news agency
German Reuters { 1851 } is one of largest news agency in the world...now { 2008 } owned by Canada Thompson Corp.
The New York Times 1851 { paper }
The Washington Post 1877 { paper }
The Wall Street Journal 1889 { paper }
2 }Then along came radio { news 1920 Detroit } came into existence, then mom and pop began to place their trust/faith in what the news people on radio were saying...see #3 below....
....this is of course less true for those fundamentalist Bible thumper of any of the three primary Biblical religions if not also Hindu's....
Time 1923 { paper }
The New Yorker 1925 { paper }
CBS News 1927
Newsweek 1933
...then later on it was TV where they placed their trust/faith in as experts.....
3} First TV news broacast NBC 1940
NBC News 1940
ABC News 1945
NPR 1970
4} Then along came the expert sea sport racer and maker of money Ted Turrner who began the first satelite, 24 hr news service CNN { 1980 }.
CNN 1980
Bloomberg 1981
USA Today 1982
5} Web TV { 1996 } first global internet access .." WebTV was classified as "munitions" (a military weapon) by the United States government and was therefore barred from export under United States security laws at the time."...
HuffPost 2005
Politico 2007
Vice News 2013
2024..." The Pew Research Center tracks trust in the media, and its latest numbers are not good: Less than half of Americans trust the news,..."
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@ebuc
and its latest numbers are not good: Less than half of Americans trust the news,..."
Actually, this is a good thing. People should not normally trust propaganda.
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@Greyparrot
Actually, this is a good thing. People should not normally trust propaganda.
It is bad thing when news cannot be trusted within limits that provide enough accurate truths that humanity can feel safe and moderate sanity for the most part.
Investigative journalism ---people in news business-- often weed out the truths and lies from those who intentionally put forward false narratives for personal gain, at expense of others loss. That loss can be loss of freedoms { 3 primary }
Investigative journalism ---people in news business-- often weed out the truths and lies from those who intentionally put forward false narratives for personal gain, at expense of others loss. That loss can be loss of freedoms { 3 primary }
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@ebuc
The most sane people never watch propaganda in the first place.
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@Greyparrot
The most sane people never watch propaganda in the first place.
Get a grip OGP. As usual your confused at best an in denial at worst.
76.9 + million MAFA just voted for the narcissistic and psychotic false narrative of Trumpet who then attempted a ridiculous Gaetz maneuver on the USA peoples.
However, he does not appear to have gotten the popular vote. Perhaps a few believe he is some kind of fat lizard-man who can only stare into the camera at a presidential debate. Talk about weirdo.
....' I see you america '..... as he does his best to keep his forked tongue from being exposed to the public. Where is Laura Loomer? Is she in the backseat waiting for Trumpet?
Trumpet > Loomer > Gaetz > Bondi Bombshell > ... ? ..... is a pattern within a larger pattern of political ' trust the experts ' running on false narrative for some years now. USA! USA! USA!
Trumpet > Loomer > Gaetz > Bondi Bombshell > ... ? ..... is a pattern within a larger pattern of political ' trust the experts ' running on false narrative for some years now. USA! USA! USA!
Like I said, most sane people never watch propaganda in the first place, unless it's for entertainment purposes of course.
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@ebuc
You know that Gp was a contributor to Project 2025, don't you?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
The entire point and purpose of expertise is accomplish a particular goal. If you cannot accomplish that goal then you are not an expert.What if you don't pay them?Are all mechanics you refuse to pay no longer experts?
I have no idea what this has to do with the conversation. The difference between getting paid vs working for free is definitionally that of an amateur vs a professional. Neither makes you necessarily an expert, that come from knowledge gained through experience.
What goal did Anthony Fauci accomplish?
If you care to learn about his distinguished career you are free to Google him.
If it was to prevent people from being infected or reduce the death count of a pandemic with effective measures it looks like absolute failure.
If you're talking about COVID, the reason we were an absolute failure is because we as a country followed the lead of the moron in the oval office and did not take COVID seriously, which is exactly what happens when you politicize a pandemic.
It doesn't matter what you do to educate people who aren't interested in being educated because they've become convinced that the educators themselves are really just nefarious conspirators hell bent on manipulating the public for some undetermined reason. It also doesn't matter what guidelines you put in place if people are just going to ignore them. It's not up to Anthony Fauci to stop everyone from getting infected, it's up to people to protect themselves. If people aren't doing that is all a big waste.
No, it's not. It's a demonstration of the fact that you are an effective communicator.I shouldn't be surprised that you don't really believe in rational epistemology
What a stupid response.
you've lost many debates to me
lol... Says you. According to my count I'm undefeated against you. So are we going to keep measuring dicks or talk about the subject at hand?
It is easily explained if you think logic can be brushed off as "effective communication".
It's easily explained if you were actually paying attention to the conversation. Argument is literally, by definition, communication. So an effective argument is by definition an effective communication sample. But many people are not effective communicators, that has little bearing on whether they know what they are doing. Scientists for example are very often introverts who gravitated towards science because they get to work alone, their inability to explain things to layman people, especially when met with a torrent of logical fallacies, says little about their subject matter knowledge.
So then when the knowledge is not shared, it is not repeatable by others. So an "expert" who won't share is indistinguishable from a non-expert.
According to that logic a world class chef who doesn't share his recipes is indistinguishable from you or I. Pretty sure everyone who's ever tried my cooking will tell you otherwise.
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@Double_R
If it was to prevent people from being infected or reduce the death count of a pandemic with effective measures it looks like absolute failure.If you're talking about COVID, the reason we were an absolute failure is because we as a country followed the lead of the moron in the oval office and did not take COVID seriously, which is exactly what happens when you politicize a pandemic.
So congratulations to those countries not run by "morons" who successfully kept COVID-19 out of their populations. Would they now come forward to receive our applause:
*crickets*
So when Fauci was actually head of the response under Trump, what we he have done differently had Trump not stopped him?
It doesn't matter what you do to educate people who aren't interested in being educated because they've become convinced that the educators themselves are really just nefarious conspirators hell bent on manipulating the public for some undetermined reason.
There was plenty of institutional authority at the start. The public decided it wasn't warranted because the orders were clearly ineffective, hypocritical, ridiculous, and onerous.
but play ignorant with "undetermined reason".
It's not up to Anthony Fauci to stop everyone from getting infected
So arguments don't establish expertise and in practice neither do results since you just dismiss the facts if the "expert" failed to deliver results.
it's up to people to protect themselves.
They might have if a real expert had given them effective advise.
Advise like: full quarantine you idiots you can't contain a highly infectious virus with a fucking curfew while simultaneously you congregate in bars and grocery stores.
The orders and "advise" given appears to be calibrated to create a slow motion infection of everyone at the greatest psychological and economic damage possible.
Either ignoring the virus entirely and taking our losses or a four week full quarantine would have been preferable. Neither of those circumstances would have drawn out the crises long enough to steal an election or make big pharma untold billions.
But many people are not effective communicators, that has little bearing on whether they know what they are doing.
It has a major impact on whether other people know that they know what they're doing.
So then when the knowledge is not shared, it is not repeatable by others. So an "expert" who won't share is indistinguishable from a non-expert.According to that logic a world class chef who doesn't share his recipes is indistinguishable from you or I.
It was your logic.
I would say there are other definitions of "expert" that you are trying to conflate.
"Trust the experts" refers to the claim that somebody knows a truth that you don't know and can't know because you're too stupid or uneducated. They supposedly have the best argument but it's not your role as a plebeian to understand it.
An "expert chef" is someone who has accumulated useful algorithms and known experimental outcomes (recipes). Keeping those experiments a secret precludes it from being scientific or democratic.
One chef might be following an ancient recipe that just tastes good (like hippocrates)
Another might be more aware of the chemistry and capable of making actual predictions before trying something (as modern medical researchers compared to hippocrates).
Perhaps this conflation between the best argument and a track record of results is part of the fallacy of "trust the experts".
In case I haven't already asked this directly of you: Was hippocrates an expert?
He got results, that's for sure.
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@FLRW
You know that Gp was a contributor to Project 2025, don't you
I have no logical common sense critical thinking that would suggest otherwise.
Over the years he speaks with lizard-like forked tongue. For the most part that, is what ive experienced.
Ive seen some accurate analysis also. Grain of salt grain of salt............OGP appears to be an expert not much of anything? I dunno
Trust some people about as far we can throw a 6 x 8 cinder block.
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@FLRW
I find it hilarious that 2025 is the new Hitler since you guys got socially rationed to the gutter this election for using Trump as an obligatory Hitler.
Do you still have a job writing stories for MSNBC?
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@Greyparrot
Remember that you will soon be paying$15 for a Big Mac.
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@FLRW
Funny you bring that up. So California introduced 20 dollar minimum wage for 2024. The results are in! (after about a year.) Minimum wage jobs dropped from 920,000 to 640,000 and trending down.
These are the "economic experts"
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@Greyparrot
What about all the illegal immigrants working at McDonalds?
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@Greyparrot
@ADreamOfLiberty
Economics ---make the divide between rich and poor greater and greater-- being of primary significance is irrelevant to creating a sustain-able ecology that will support 8 billion plus humans, wanting to live a standard of living of high end USA citizen.
Economics as the primary consideration of humanity = doomed humanity in shorter term ---post atom bomb era--- 1965 - 2015 - 2065
Truth as the primary consideration of humanity = education non-tainted by false narrative.
Spirituality as the primary consideration for humanity = all-for-one and one-for-all with a standard of living that involves the primary sustaining of the viable ecological environment with a living standard that does not unnecessarily rip-off that which sustains humanity.
False narrative speculation as 2ndary consideration for humanity = entertainment of Meta-space mind/intellect/concepts and ego, to conceptually go where no human has gone before ---Star Trek 101---
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@ebuc
you trusted the wrong experts too
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@Greyparrot
you trusted the wrong experts too
.." hy·per·bo·le
noun: hyperbole; plural noun: hyperboles
- exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally. "...
Please share when you have something of relevant significance to my comments. Not going to happen.
OGP, your the expert of short quip hyperboli.