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@Mharman
Mharman, gun to your head, who do you think is the exact scum team right now and why? You're waffling a bit.
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@Lunatic
Quotes I agree with your pet 331 will give more details when I get to work
I don't even think it matters too much now. I don't know how we get off the mharman lynch and both come across scummy to me, but I'd be more hesitant to lynch cerulean
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@WyIted
Between the two, Lunatic definitely looks better. Level of emotion that seems hard to fake, with the CC and... 353, I guess. Hence why my vote is on WF.I don't see lunatic as scum. I don't doubt he has a good scum game, but not that good. He's earned my respect if he can fake the behavior he has shown this DP
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@Lunatic
I gave plenty of arguments. Don’t even.
I’m not even playing anything. I’m just pointing out your logic and admittedly I’m also just disappointed that you didn’t think about some this shit.
But i am far from crying.
Go cool off.
I’m not even playing anything. I’m just pointing out your logic and admittedly I’m also just disappointed that you didn’t think about some this shit.
But i am far from crying.
Go cool off.
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@Cerulean
I don’t know who the exact scum team is. I’m thinking Skipper is one, and someone in connection with him
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@Cerulean
I see a world where whiteflame is scum as well and definitely think the behaviors brought up about him are valid.
I would be comfortable with his lynch as well if the mharman lynch was impossible to get. I know a lot of stuff can happen the last few hours but it looks like the easiest lynch to coalesce around is mharman
I’m gonna place my vote before I head to bed tonight. I’ll try to be active tomorrow morning, but board meeting is coming up so I’ll likely be just as inactive as the last couple of days.
I guess my closest guess for a teammate would be Wylted first, Pie second
I will be on also just before the timer runs out. I honestly won't lynch outside of Casey, mharman, WF and cerulean though so am unlikely to participate in a lynch that is not in that range
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@WyIted
I would be comfortable with his lynch as well if the mharman lynch was impossible to get. I know a lot of stuff can happen the last few hours but it looks like the easiest lynch to coalesce around is mharman
Ya I agree, I’m leaning Mharman. There’s just not enough time to pursue alternative lynches this late in the day and I will likely be in meetings all morning tomorrow.
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@Cerulean
And I gave my reasons on Skipper. His noob town stuff looks fake.
Another thing worth noting is I get the feeling mafia spent a lot of time in the shadows, doing little to contribute to town because they want us to turn on each other… Skipper has been online plenty, but has given no thoughts or anything
If you are scum and are lynched before I wake up, I don't think you did anything wrong mharman. Shit just happens. Perhaps you were slightly reckless but it can also be an advantage. If you are town than the fault obviously lies with everyone on your wagon and anybody not building a counter wagon.
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@Mharman
My concern right now is that we have 12 and a bit pages of content and the one person you're pushing right now is the newbie lowposter.
I'm not going to get on a high horse and say I've never hard pressured a newbie before to get them to crack in a Town!me game, but it's an easy "default" place for a wolf to push because new players struggle with self-defense. (See- Mayday)
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@Mharman
To be fair to skipper, Casey despite helping him with terminology has perhaps been aggressive enough to push him into his shell
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@WyIted
I honestly won't lynch outside of Casey, mharman, WF and cerulean though so am unlikely to participate in a lynch that is not in that range
You townread Pie, Lunatic, Skipper, and Barney enough that you'd rather No Lynch than have them voted out?
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@Cerulean
Any push I make will look problematic to someone
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I don’t care. I just gonna give my thoughts
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@Skipper_Sr
I would like to hear more from you, Skipper- if you have time to backread, there's a lot of discussion that you might find some value in. Even a stream of consciousness ramble about your thoughts of what's going on would be helpful for us. If you're Town, the best way to help us find you as Town is to give us something to work with.
I'm going to sleep imminently, but I'll certainly be back before the end of the day.
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@Cerulean
This is a good shout. I've been rolling around an idea in my mind of at least one, possibly both scum, between WF and Lunatic. They both sort of jumped onto Mharman for the push on me.VTL WFI'm going to double-check, but it feels like WF has been... less, this game? Maybe it's IRL business causing issues, but it seems like he's been more of a background voice so far.I wasn't much paying attention to the last game, so if anyone wants to chip in on whether he's resembling that, let me know.
Would've been nice to tag me on this.
If you want to scumread me for having less activity than my normal, that's fine. I could give you all the reasons I've been busy and it won't really matter. I've given what time I have to the game so far, up to you whether that's enough.
As for my decision to hop on the wagon, I gave a pretty substantial explanation for why I put my vote on him. If you think I'm just doing it because of the push on you, feel free to read through it and give me your thoughts.
VOTE COUNT
Whiteflame (1/5) - Cerulean
Cerulean (1/5) - Pie
Mharman (3/5) - Casey, Lunatic, Wylted
Skipper (1/5) - Mhar
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@WyIted
Honestly the Casey interaction helps my point imo.
He made a weird post that was completely oblivious to how scummy it looked, as a response to me simply saying i wasn’t fully convinced therefore I am scum keeping things ambiguous with implications that I won’t say outright… ignoring the fact that he was doing the exact same ringing in his post. Then, when Casey called him out on it, he just dipped. To me, it looks more noob scum anything else
And there’s still the whole thing about “Earth doesn’t have my discord, wink wink”
Anyway, I'm not staying on late tonight. We can make this decision early tomorrow, but frankly, I'm not seeing a better option than Mharman at this point. Seems like everyone else that comes up is due largely to a lack of activity.
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@Skipper_Sr
One question: Do you think it’s helpful for townie to be open about being town?
I know this sounds like a stupid question, but bear with me.
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@Mharman
Alright, it's late and I had a long day at work, so I've skimmed through some of the posts that have been made. I still think it's highly unlikely at best that both Mharman and Lunatic are town, so in my eyes, lynching him is the most sensible course of action. If he turns out to have been telling the truth, then that sucks, but at least we still have Luna. I also really do not like how Mharman is zeroing in on the noob.
I guess my closest guess for a teammate would be Wylted first, Pie second
Mharman, why those two specifically? I'd like to hear your reasoning.
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@Mharman
I think I’ve made my decision. I can’t get over the CC. It’s a significant leap for me to assume that Earth would include 2 Doctors/Cops/Watchers. It makes far more sense to have a Backup of some sort. The appeal to absurdity also just doesn’t sit right with me. I also remembered a game Mharman was scum. In Luna’s game where there were 3 scum, he was TP and soft claimed some crazy role, then backtracked and claimed BP, which was CCed albeit by scum. What ensued was a crazy appeal to the absurd with him changing his claim to RB. His play fits the MO perfectly. He still got lynched. Add to all of this the Skipper + Cerulean insinuation, and it becomes hard for me to believe Mharman is town.
VTL Mharman
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@Mharman
I gave plenty of arguments. Don’t even.I’m not even playing anything. I’m just pointing out your logic and admittedly I’m also just disappointed that you didn’t think about some this shit.But i am far from crying.Go cool off.
I am more than cool, just tired of playing games. If you are going to dismiss everything I say as confirmation bias, then I can play the same game and dismiss everything you are saying as you playing the victim card. You are arguing with emotion over logic and it's a little frustrating when you are also claiming you are trying to appeal to me, but you aren't negating important points and continuously add behavioral reasons to scum read you.
Also I am leaning further into my theory that if mharman is scum I very likely view there early interaction as scum/scum bussing, notice how since then they conveniently stopped pushing each other and have actually been buddying a bit.
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@Cerulean
This is a good shout. I've been rolling around an idea in my mind of at least one, possibly both scum, between WF and Lunatic. They both sort of jumped onto Mharman for the push on me.VTL WF
These type of takes resemble a couple of your stances from recent scum games, where you take a convenient puzzle piece out of the whole picture to paint a narrative that caters to you in a way you can paint someone to look scummy, but ignore the vast majority of the points that led them to where they are. I really don't like this reasoning, and find this extremely suspicious.
Wylted is hard town for me. His chain of thoughts and thinking resemble his town play very much, and seem extremely authentic and feel as if he is genuinely puzzling the game out. It helps tremendously that I follow a lot of the same lines of thoughts as him, and can see his reasoning perfectly in a lot of these scenaries.
Whiteflame leans town for similar reasons, though if mharman is scum I would expect him to dis-associate from him, but he gets more town cred for doing it early. If mharman flips town, I'll have to look at whiteflame from a different angle.
Same applies to pie as well, but I'd be more suspicious of pie if he wasn't pushing mharman for the CC thing, because he is the one I would have expected to make the argument that it is unlikely that two of the same role is ever likely to exist. He has stuck true to that instead of trying to make up some bullsh1t to save mharman, which he would have incentive to do as scum, so pie gets a bit of cred for that as well.
I still stand by the read that I don't think Casey is likely to have risked a hated townie claim regardless if it was a given fake claim, because it's not safe, and casey strikes me as a "safe and conservative" player I don't see why this would change. That said, if POE get's outrageous with too many town members, I can admit to some degree that his POE isn't as strong as others because it's based on WIFOM I choose to believe.
Skipper is mostly null, I still kind of think he was selling the noob narrative a bit too hard, but he has been consistent with it at least, and I admit that it is just as likely he could be still just be authentically a noob. Ultimately he is null.
Barney is null.
Cerulean, I just haven't really liked a lot of their takes this game, they seem a bit opportunistic, andmy conspiracy that him and mharm were attempting bus theatrics earlier in the phase doesn't help. Going into np1 he is my strongest scum read next to mharm, but mharms flip may change a lot going into dp2 with where I stand on cerulean as well.
VOTE COUNT
Wylted (1/5) - Cerulean
Mharman (4/5) - Casey, Lunatic, Wylted, Pie
*peril noises*