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Predictions?
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Trump takes every swing state but Michigan and flips Virginia.

That's if the election is legitimate. We will know if there is cheating because they always have the election not end at midnight or sooner when they cheat. If they do cheat hopefully we voted enough where we still win
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Total victory of Kamala.

I have even started prayer warfare to ensure Kamala wins over swing states.

Its not possible for her to lose at this point.
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Predictions?
The democrats are attempting to cheat. Some of their attempts are assuredly not detected or prevented: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10628/posts/479874

The quantity of the cheating is immeasurable but could plausibly be on the order of 5%. Whatever the reported results we will never know the actual will of the people on this day, we are on the path to civil war until real elections return to the land.

That's my prediction.
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Not really sure this time around. This is likely  coin flip. Kamala's late surge is worrisome but the early vote in the key deciding state, Pennsylvania is down 27% from last year. Election Day voting always favors R, but with the Republicans focusing on Early Voting this cycle, it's tough to say. Polls recently have been very Trump favored or Kamala slim compared to what we've seen from previous elections who've had 3-4% skew toward Dem. I don't trust the polls though or anything like it
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So I voted today, making this the second time in 8 years that I cast my ballot for Trump.

I'm feeling pessimistic about this whole election, so I predict Harris will win, albeit by a much slimmer margin than Biden's win in 2020. RealClearPolitics currently gives Harris a narrow lead nationwide and Trump a narrow lead in "top battleground" states. While they probably have a conservative bent and overestimate Trump's chances, it's worth noting that they favored Biden by a lot going into 2020. I think 2020 was a one-off event, borne from popular dissatisfaction with Trump's handling of Covid, and won't repeat itself anytime soon, given Biden's also not a popular President and Harris would be the de facto continuation of his administration. Trump on his part is still hated by half of the country, so Biden's unpopularity cannot have the effect of handing this race to Trump. Maybe it could for a different Republican guy. At best, he has a roughly 50% chance; if he does win, it'll be an electoral college win like in 2016.

Chances are good that, after winning, he'll be sentenced to imprisonment in New York. So long as, by that point, it was set in stone that some Republican would take the White House, I wouldn't be upset by this. We needed Trump as a symbol of defiance against left-wing taboos, in order to keep the Overton Window from shifting in a way that would basically kill free speech and a free society, but he's otherwise the most terrible president a Republican could be. President Vance could return this country to normalcy, understood in terms of both pre-2016 and pre-2012 (around the time that, concurrent with the Black Lives Matter protests, the left kicked its puritanical identity politics into overdrive). Trump was meant to be a tool in our toolbelt, not the next generation of Republican leaders.

But if Trump both loses and is sentenced to imprisonment, we'll probably cross a point of no return. Republicans will feel both politically disenfranchised and as if they're being aggressively targeted by an establishment which controls the courts (and of course, more judicial appointments would be made by President Harris, exacerbating that control even further). This will radicalize many people, perhaps to the point of violence. If Democrats want to avoid this, then they ought to be gracious winners and leave Trump alone. He will not be a political threat to them after losing this election.

If Trump does win and take office, I'm feeling mostly optimistic about domestic policy but pessimistic about foreign policy, since he's not a true Republican in the foreign arena. Our party, after all, stands for maintaining a strong military to keep the peace and intervene abroad for good where needed. Trump doesn't give a crap about the rest of the world, and this does not reflect our party's values; coincidentally, fear of his bungling foreign policy is what led me to vote for Hillary in 2016. But when everything is taken into consideration, this risk is one I'm willing to take.

Trump will likely perform better with black men than any Republican in the last 30+ years, and this showing will help dismantle the longstanding taboo within the black community around siding with the GOP on Election Day. His performance among Hispanics will also be surprisingly not terrible. This will also be a more gender-polarized election, with a sharper divide between how men and women vote.
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I’m pessimistic. I think Harris wins albeit barely. I’ve already made a decision of how I will vote next election if Trump loses. If the candidate isn’t MAGA, I’m writing in “Fire Jerry Jones” everytime
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I predict Harris will win, though not in a complete landslide,
But I don't have much information or research about the subject, so wild guess on my part,
I'm conflicted on whether I'd want Trump to win or not.

I voted for third party candidate.
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I voted for third party candidate.
Why even vote then? Genuine question
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Principle.

I live in Oregon, pretty sure it's going to Harris, no matter how I vote, but would that mean that except in those uncertain states, people should not vote if their candidate is expected to lose?
(Well, maybe there is purpose in counting up overall popular vote, and thus they should vote for the national count, even if their state not win, I don't know much about how voting works)

I 'would often like a third option in life,

I think that if everyone who did not vote, thinking their vote didn't matter, or f*** politics, or they are lazy,
Voted at 'least for third party candidate options,
People who vote seriously would have a better option/chance, in those third party candidates.
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I voted for third party candidate
There are no third party candidates. Those are just for show. Might as well save some fuel and not vote.
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I assume that there 'have been third party candidates with the chance to in in past American elections,
But it's possible my assumption is wrong.

I think it is worthwhile for people to remind others that it is still an option,
Though a more feasible option in some elections than others,
Even in unfeasible elections, them receiving votes, keeps that third option alive.
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Predicting Harris. It’s close, but the enthusiasm for Trump seems to be waning over the past week and a half especially, the democrats have a serious ground game and Trump has outsourced his, and the gender gap math just isn’t adding up for Trump. The past two elections have undercounted Trump voters significantly so it’s anyone’s guess what happens there, but on the other hand if there’s anyone who isn’t keenly aware of this it’s pollsters and they seem obsessed with not letting it happen again to which Nate Silver made a pretty compelling case that they’re hiding their true polling results, which could explain why we went from a small but consistent Harris lead to a tie over the past 3 weeks. On net it all favors Harris.
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We will know if there is cheating because they always have the election not end at midnight or sooner when they cheat.
You are such a tool. The reason certain swing states count their ballots for days is because republicans refused to allow rule changes that would allow them to get a head start like nearly every other state in the country. It’s all a concerted effort to make the count look nefarious so that they could claim it as evidence of fraud when they lose, and they know it works because people like you swallow it up whole.
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The quantity of the cheating is immeasurable but could plausibly be on the order of 5%
More like 50%.

Since we’re just making shit up.

Whatever the reported results we will never know the actual will of the people on this day
Did George Washington win his election, or was it all those illegals voting? We will never know.

we are on the path to civil war until real elections return to the land.
MAGA wet dream.
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Even in unfeasible elections, them receiving votes, keeps that third option alive.
The Republicans tried to vote in a literal Hitler, so its kinda shame that you didnt use your vote to help us fight Hitler. Dividing our votes on 2 other candidates only helps Hitler get in power. However, good news is that Kamala voters are still winning regardless of individuals who refuse to unite against Hitler.
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Riggers get the rope
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Kamala wins, but it's going to be tight. I voted third party.
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MAGA or MAMW.
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I'm a hopeful Trump win.  There is too much confusion with the polls and the shafted democrats from the inflation and immigration.  Whoever wins will NOT be by a landslide by any means.
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MAMW? What is that acronym?
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Thoughts on Georgia at this point? 
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Thoughts on Georgia at this point? 
We won't know anything until the water main breaks and the observers are told to leave by armed men.

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One senate seat was flipped for the Republicans.

The swing states are up in the air. Trump got off to a poor start in those as the votes are being counted, but he’s coming back as it goes on.

Last I saw Trump was leading Virginia… which is crazy to me. He might flip it. 

Texas and Kansas are closer than I like.
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Fuck it's close
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Ok, we kept Texas. Nice. By a larger margin than I was thinking.
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And we got Kansas. Hope we can get that dot in Nebraska.
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Trump’s progress on the swing states are slowing down. This is not good.

Georgia is looking more and more red; looks like we’ll get this one now.
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I guess few more hours till Kamala victory.
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Kansas is at about 40% reporting and Harris is still in the lead????

I mean, I'm not complaining, but that's kinda nuts lmao