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3 questions anti-Anarchists cant answer! They literally cant answer them!
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@whs2009
Best.Korea is a troll. Trust nothing he says.
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@Best.Korea
They were questioning answers BK.
Which you couldn't respond to.
I win.
No sweat.
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@zedvictor4
They were questioning answers BK.
Sorry, questions are answers.
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@Best.Korea
Tyranny always comes from the hands of those who claim to be for freedom. I am for limited govt not total freedom from responsibility.
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@Best.Korea
That's, what I said, BK.
No apologies necessary.
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@zedvictor4
Its great that you answered what will protect you from government. I am glad you didnt avoid the question by asking irrelevant questions.
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@Best.Korea
Fortunately I don't feel the need to be protected from the British Government.
Of course, there are many people around the world who do not have the same luxury.
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@zedvictor4
Fortunately I don't feel the need to be protected from the British Government
Thats great news for government. No need to worry. Just repeat "I am safe. I am safe.".
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@Best.Korea
No need.
I just get up, do stuff and then go to bed again.
I'm more likely to be hit by a bus.
Which would be my own fault, for not paying attention.
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@zedvictor4
They dont have taxes in Britain.
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@Best.Korea
Of course we have taxes.
We obviously have to pay for social necessities and the stuff we use .
Who else is going to pay for it?
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@zedvictor4
Great. So your money is taken from you without a choice.
But its good that you dont have public schools.
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@Best.Korea
Yep.
We have education provision up until the age of 18.
We have a National Health Service
We have transport infrastructure.
We have Armed Forces, Police and rescue services.
We have social welfare services.
The list of modern day expected social provision is near endless.
How else does it get paid for?
Nonetheless, if one wants to live on the street in a cardboard box, scavenge for food and not contribute anything to society, then one is free to do so.
Though the rest of society, usually ends up footing the bill for the care of such people.
And the term "Public School" is something of a contradiction over here. It actually refers to private schools.
The majority of British youngsters attend a State School.
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@zedvictor4
So you have forced state schools which indoctrinate you, and your money is taken from you without a choice.
Its great that you have forced taxes, because clearly people dont want to pay for those things but are forced to.
Its great that people are forced to pay for things they dont want to pay for. Thats how you build freedom. By forcing people.
But at least your government isnt in debt which will cause more inflation.
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@Best.Korea
We are all indoctrinated; it's the nature of the beast.
And if taxation was voluntary, you would currently be sheltering under a tree, and certainly wouldn't be communicating with me via the internet.
Why do you always tend to suggest that societies somehow always evolve not as they should.
I would suggest that societies have evolved, relative to their human input.
You'll get the hang of it eventually.
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@zedvictor4
Well, lets hope that forced education and money theft pays off British debt.
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@Best.Korea
National debt is a farce.
An education maybe compulsory, but is not necessarily forced.
Young minds are keen to learn stuff, so it might as well be useful stuff.
Because a modern cohesive society, doesn't really need, a whole load of illiterate, innumerate dimwits.
Which makes you wonder if Trump supporters ever went to school.
Only joking.
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@zedvictor4
National debt is a farce.
Lets hope that inflation and working too much is a farce too.
An education maybe compulsory, but is not necessarily forced.
No, it is not forced because you are not forced to spend 8 hours a day in school. You totally have a choice there.
Young minds are keen to learn stuff, so it might as well be useful stuff.
People shouldnt be able to choose what is useful for them. Let the government choose that.
Because a modern cohesive society, doesn't really need, a whole load of illiterate, innumerate dimwits
Yes, we all have duty to serve society. We are not free individuals. We belong to society and government.
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@Best.Korea
Perhaps we belong to the Universe, and must serve any universal purpose that might be dependant upon us.
But on the other hand, if nothing matters, then nothing matters.
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@zedvictor4
Having seen what universe does to people, I would prefer not to belong to universe.
25 days later
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@Best.Korea
As an anarchist, I think anti-anarchists can answer these questions.
1. If you need government to protect you, who is going to protect you from government?2. If you need government to enforce order, who will enforce order within government?3. If you need to give power to government to be safe, what will keep you safe from government's power?
A. One could aim for a country with a different education system that allows for much more logical people. If you have a populace made up of such people, they could effectively cooperate and strategize to protect people and keep them safe from government or enforce order within government. In such a scenario, the everyday people would protect you from government, and government would manage a military to effectively protect the everyday people from external threats. The military would also be made up of logical people (and if any attempt was made to change that, people would immediately recognize it as a massive threat).
B. Anti-anarchists could also answer with something like "no one could do these things very effectively, but its better than the chaotic alternative."
The methods for how a stateless nation could function effectively and avoid chaos are not immediately obvious, and there are arguments that at first seem to very clearly demonstrate that it's impossible.
C. "One part of government can keep you safe from another, and the other can keep you safe from the first."
A checks and balances system seems to generally be hard to maintain, but if it's possible to mitigate the advantage some people have via their power and money, it seemingly could be possible to maintain. That's easier said than done, but as an example of a semi-promising strategy...
Imagine you have ten departments, all with the same purpose:
a. Frequently check all the other departments for any monetary/power manipulation being used to alter the department's decisions, especially the more important ones.
b. Semi-randomly distribute some of the tasks that the government has been entrusted to take care of to the other departments.
c. Work to complete the tasks assigned to it.
Conclusion
I'm not arguing that these answers are foolproof, but they're at least decently promising on the surface. The questions cannot be treated as knockout blows to anti-anarchism with the existence of such answers, in my opinion.
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@Ferbalot
One could aim for a country with a different education system that allows for much more logical people
So a fairy tale.
Anti-anarchists could also answer with something like "no one could do these things very effectively, but its better than the chaotic alternative."
That doesnt answer the question, since question asked about government, not about anarchy.
"One part of government can keep you safe from another, and the other can keep you safe from the first."
This is a fantasy which is also circular reasoning. To say that government will protect you from government is pure nonsense which never worked.
A checks and balances system seems to generally be hard to maintain, but if it's possible to mitigate the advantage some people have via their power and money, it seemingly could be possible to maintain.
There are no checks and balances since nothing guarantees that any part of government will keep other in check while itself not being in check.
Imagine you have ten departments, all with the same purpose:
So a US congress.
a. Frequently check all the other departments for any monetary/power manipulation being used to alter the department's decisions, especially the more important ones.
Thats irrelevant to anything.
b. Semi-randomly distribute some of the tasks that the government has been entrusted to take care of to the other departments.
So again, your plan is just to increase number of people in government and hope they will keep each other in check and not work with each other to reduce freedom.
Given how majority of people in each country are retarded and want to violate freedom of others, no amount of increase in government size would accomplish anything except being forced to pay many people to do the same one job once done by one person.
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@Best.Korea
There is clearly no point in discussing this with you. You didn't seriously consider it or you would see the obvious counterarguments to all of your arguments.
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@Ferbalot
1. If you need government to protect you, who is going to protect you from government?
All-for-one and one-for-all > security begins with a shared commonality of needs and respect > security ends with larger men { necessary and compassionate mechanisms } to steer those that pose an unnecessary threat to self, or others, in a direction of safety for the individual, the security enforcers, the community/society, via the prime, spiritually unifying principle, All-for-one and one-for-all.
..." Called the Iroquois Confederacy by the French, and the League of Five Nations by the English, the confederacy is properly called the Haudenosaunee Confederacy meaning People of the long house. "......
2. If you need government to enforce order, who will enforce order within government?
All-for-one and one-for-all > security begins with a shared commonality of needs and respect > security ends with larger men { necessary and compassionate mechanisms } to steer those that pose an unnecessary threat to self, or others, are in a direction of safety for the individual, the security enforcers and community/society, via the prime, unifying spiritual principle, All-for-one and one-for-all.
.. The confederacy was founded by the prophet known as the Peacemaker with the help of Aionwatha, more commonly known as Hiawatha. The exact date of the joining of the nations is unknown and said to be time immemorial making it one of the first and longest lasting participatory democracies in the world."...
3. If you need to give power to government to be safe, what will keep you safe from government's power?
All-for-one and one-for-all > security begins with a shared commonality of need and respect > security ends with larger men { necessary and compassionate mechanisms } to steer those that pose an unnecessary threat to self, or others, in a direction of safety for the individual, the security enforcers and community/society, via the prime, unifying spiritual principle, All-for-one and one-for-all.
..." The confederacy, made up of the Mohawks, Oneidas, Onondagas, Cayugas, and Senecas was intended as a way to unite the nations and create a peaceful means of decision making. Through the confederacy, each of the nations of the Haudenosaunee are united by a common goal to live in harmony. Each nation maintains it own council with Chiefs chosen by the Clan Mother and deals with its own internal affairs but allows the Grand Council to deal with issues affecting the nations within the confederacy. ".....
....1,2,3,4 } Often described as the oldest, participatory democracy on Earth, the Haudenosaunee Confederacy’s constitution is believed to be a model for the American Constitution. What makes it stand out as unique to other systems around the world is its blending of law and values. For the Haudenosaunee, law, society and nature are equal partners and each plays an important role. "...
All-for-one and one-for-all became globally imperative, as a unifying spiritual principle, once society entered the atomic bomb era.
Universe/nature integrity > Earth/nature integrity > ecology/nature integrity > society/nature integrity > individual/nature integrity.
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@Ferbalot
you would see the obvious counterarguments to all of your arguments.
More fantasy from you. Great.