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This DP will last 72 hours and will end on Friday, October 25, at 1:45 PM EDT. 

Deceased players:

  • Owen_T - Lynched DP2 - Baby Face - Manipulative JOAT (1x Redirector, 1x Deflector, 1x Bus Driver)
  • ILikePie5 - Died NP1 - Seven Samurai - Strengthener
  • Moozer325 - Lynched DP3 - You are It’s A Wonderful Life! This film is considered a Christmas classic these days, but received mixed reviews upon release and did very poorly at the box office, causing it to be overlooked and largely forgotten until it's copyright, having not been renewed, expired, at which point it could be broadcast without companies needing to pay for any licensing fees, and the film surged in popularity. In the movie, God assigns an angel named Clarence, who has yet to gain his wings, to save George Bailey, a suicidal man. Now, you can give players their wings. You are the 2x Daytime Doctor Inventor. Two days per game, you may choose any player to turn into a Doctor on the following night. That night and that night only, they will be able to target any other player to save them from lethal night actions. You win with the Town.
  • Lunatic - Died NP2 - You are Rashomon! This 1950 Japanese film by director Akira Kurosawa was the first film from a non-Western nation to really catch the attention of Western film critics and opened up the doors for cinema in other parts of the world. Rashomon popularized the trope of a story told by several different participants, each giving a completely different and contradictory tale. In the film, a crime has occurred, but the only things all the witnesses agree on are that a samurai was killed and his wife was raped by a bandit, but each tells the story of how it all happened completely differently, with the implication being that they all told lies based on their roles within Japanese society at the time. Because of this search for truth that provides no clear answers as to exactly who is guilty of what, you are the Odd-Night Neapolitan Cop. On odd-numbered nights, you may investigate any other player to learn (assuming no interference with your actions) if they are Vanilla Town or not. You win with the Town.
Living players:

  1. WyIted
  2. AustinL0926 
  3. whiteflame
  4. Bullish
  5. Cerulean
  6. Earth
  7. iamanabanana
With seven living players, it takes four votes to reach a majority. 
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IT'S A FIGHT TO THE DEATH!

WyIted and Cerulean are engaged in a death battle! They are the only two players who may receive votes during this DP. Votes for other players will not be counted. If a majority votes to VTNL, then the day will simply end without a lynch and the game will continue to the next NP. However, if no majority is reached by the time the DP ends, then one of the contestants will be chosen at random to be executed. 

May the better combatant win! 
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Prepare yourselves for combat 
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@Bullish
@AustinL0926
@iamanabanana
Come watch the show! 
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A death battle huh... So much violence!
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Well, Luna was practically a given as the NK: claimed Cop to whom Moozer outright said he was sending his Doc.

I suspect that Cerulean used his Gladiator on WyIted (the Spartacus claim makes a good deal of sense with that role), so let's start with the obvious:

WyIted, you need to fullclaim. Was planning on pushing for it this DP anyway (still not sure why I was alone in that last DP), so this just gives us more focus.
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Alive

  • WyIted - 1953-1958 —> Thriller
  • AustinL0926: 1930-1935 —> Crime
  • whiteflame - Some Like it Hot - Vanilla
  • Bullish - 12 Angry Men - 1x Governor
  • Cerulean - Spartacus - 1x Gladiator (pending)
  • Earth - 10 Commandments - Vanilla
  • iamanabanana - Casablanca - Vanilla

    • Dead

  • ILikePie5: Seven Samurai - Strengthener
  • Owen_T (scum #1/3): Baby Face - Manipulative JOAT - 1x Redirector, 1x Deflector, 1x Bus Driver
  • Moozer325:  It’s A Wonderful Life - 2x Daytime Doctor Inventor
  • Lunatic: Rashomon - Odd-Night Neapolitan Cop



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    I held off on WyIted for all of yesterday because Moozer was objectively worse, but at this point in the game, out of everyone left, he's the scummiest person in the room.

    I'm at work right now- I'll lay out my reasoning for why later.
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    @whiteflame
    WyIted, you need to fullclaim. Was planning on pushing for it this DP anyway (still not sure why I was alone in that last DP), so this just gives us more focus
    Not a problem. I am the watcher and was obviously trying to direct the NK. I watched lunatic on both NPs. 

    The scum team must have a ninja or something and I saw nothing either NP
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    VTNL
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    I think cerulean is town. I know a gladiator can be scum but it ua unusual and want a VTNL to avoid losing 2 town players in a row. 
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    The movie is the rear windows if that matters and it fits with whiteflames theme theory. 

    The question is who here doesn't fit with the theme he suggested?

    I know nothing about most these movies and don't feel like googling but I assume we can catch one scum with whiteflames theory
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    @Cerulean
    Couldn't you have laid out your reasoning so we could discuss it like a team before making this decision?

    I have had that role a few times and it's very tempting to use it especially if you have a strong town read but it's selfish. 

    I think Austin and or bullish is scum and I could easily lie and say I saw one visit lunatic and town would definitely pursue that lynch seeing as how using the gladiator role will likely result in my lynch, but I didn't do it. I was honest and said I saw nobody visit Lunatic
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    @WyIted
    Not a problem. I am the watcher and was obviously trying to direct the NK. I watched lunatic on both NPs. 
    I can see why you'd do that last NP, not so much for NP1. Were you townreading Luna that hard back then?

    The scum team must have a ninja or something and I saw nothing either NP
    I guess that's possible, though considering how weak town is and how strong a PR Owen was, I doubt that scum have a lot of roles left to them. Weird that they'd just a have a role that's meant to counter yours and yours alone since no one else has claimed a tracking role.

    The movie is the rear windows if that matters and it fits with whiteflames theme theory. 
    ...except with Moozer's flip, my theory's clearly bogus.
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    @AustinL0926
    I realize that you're not a potential lynch this DP (and, full disclosure, you wouldn't be my choice anyway), but unless you have a really good reason to keep your role under wraps, you should be claiming this DP.
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    @whiteflame
    I can see why you'd do that last NP, not so much for NP1. Were you townreading Luna that hard back then?
    Austin comes across as scummy but him and lunatic had crime as their genre. I just assumed scum would think what I was thinking and target lunatic for being the cop.

    ...except with Moozer's flip, my theory's clearly bogus.
    I don't care how ridiculous it is. I don't buy that he is town. 

    Weird that they'd just a have a role that's meant to counter yours and yours alone since no one else has claimed a tracking role.
    YYeah or maybe it's a 1x or something and me trying to bait them to kill lunatic was too obvious. 
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    I'm going to be busy for the next few hours, but I'll come back to this later. Suffice it to say that WyIted was my top pick for a lynch this DP (Cerulean was clearly on the same page) and that I can't say his claim really moves the needle for me. We already had an investigative role in Luna and I can definitely see this game only having one town investigative role, particularly if there's three Vanillas. Admittedly, given PoE, I'm not as sure of that anymore.
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    I don't care how ridiculous it is. I don't buy that he is town. 
    Then maybe don't lean on my theme analysis to do it. My theme is bunk now.

    YYeah or maybe it's a 1x or something and me trying to bait them to kill lunatic was too obvious. 
    So you think there are two scum JOATs then? Find that hard to believe. Also, doesn't look particularly good that you've said you visited Luna on the night he was killed.

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    So you think there are two scum JOATs then?
    Look, I am going to answer questions honestly.  I am going to state honestly what I am or was thinking and my actions. What I will not do is present a rigorous defense of myself. If eliminating me helps town make a good decision at LYLO than I am happy with that.  I have no ideal if it is 2 Joats or a ninja. I have seen multiple joats in games and I don't think it's too crazy. Also we don't know if there is also a tracker in the game or something like that. We don't know all the roles. I am just speculating here and my speculation is as good as yours.

    Find that hard to believe. Also, doesn't look particularly good that you've said you visited Luna on the night he was killed.
    It's either lie or look suspicious, but I would rather just give accurate information than dodge suspicion. If there is a tracker or something than at least after my death they know to be skeptical of their own results. 
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    I would like next dp to be mylo instead of lylo and use my role to provide more information if I guess The NK correctly, but I wouldn't want to remain if it risks getting an actual mislynch at MYLO. 
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    Leaning towards Wylted being the lynch.
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    Town you gotta stop throwing
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    Do you scum read Ceru or Wylted?
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    Just going state it here. Sometimes one in a million type coincidences happen and not being on Moozers lynch means they are either a retard or scum with inside knowledge trying to look like town by acting like they were against the whole thing
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    Bullish's last minute change of heart last DP was suspect 
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    Ignore me though. I was extremely confident that he was scum based on having the exact same role as when he was scum and when he was scum he pretended like he forgot he used his ability so pretty huge coincidences. I still am not certain he was town and this isn't bastard modding. It makes no sense
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    Just so you guys are aware no lynching is also an option here. 
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    Waiting for word from the gladiator himself
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    You really didn't need to wait on me specifically. But sure, here we go.

    Admittedly, I am in a spot where I do not have anyone who is 100% certainly absolutely Town. But I do have people who are close-

    Banana being Mafia would require Owen to manage to have the presence of mind to, realizing he was about to die, suddenly turn around and try to bus Banana with the intention of spewing her Town. I don't think that's a very reasonable situation because Owen's posting reads a little frantic in 23 to 25. Not something I would expect from someone trying to pull a calculated bus.

    I do also think WF is Town, and I think the Lunatic kill affirms that. In a world where WF is Mafia, their team would want to keep Lunatic alive because Lunatic almost certainly sides with WF in any disputes. Not to mention WF would also need to either be exactly a VT Godfather or would have needed to specifically redirect Lunatic to Banana or Earth (if Town) that Night. But the reason I didn't target WF here specifically was because WF's chain of thought- and especially his reaction to Austin- from pushing Moozer yesterday read as genuine, significantly moreso than WyIted's, in my opinion.

    Continued...
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    All of the other four have more pressing issues.

    Earth has been mostly... well, existing. There's not a whole lot I can say, but it felt like he flip flopped several times on Moozer throughout the Day. Which is fair in that Moozer shifted slightly in how believable his story was throughout. This isn't awful- he wasn't throwing around TMI- but I'm just not seeing the thought process, for example what between 94 and 145 made him decide he actually wanted to let Moozer use his role.

    Bullish has the Governor role. And while I understand the instinct to snap-townlock it, I also worry that there could be some sort of "Corrupt Governor" flavor at play- I suppose someone more in tune with classic movies could correct me or support that theory. The role itself doesn't need to be only Town, because it has a mechanic to prevent the extremely high utility it would have for Mafia (skipping the Night phase). He sort of shares the "irrational extreme confidence in Moozer" issue that Austin had, but not as bad.

    Austin, I'm worried about mostly because he might have TMI'd Moozer Town. I'm still struggling with this (which is why I didn't pick him to duel) because I don't see how the agenda works here. Austin white knights Moozer and looks good when Moozer flips Town is one thing, but doing it in the way he did felt so much like he started at the conclusion that I suspect it might wrap all the way back around to being too wolfy. Again, someone can correct me on whether or not Austin is this egregious with TMI as a wolf.

    That leaves WyIted, who I'll spare an entire post for.