Another school shooting in rural America

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That's funny because it definitely seems like a go-to for republicans that leftists are "exploiting" tragedies when shit like this happens. 

IWRA is just easily disgusted by what he considers immoral/inhumane. That's obvious to me at least who feels a lot of disgust watching you lot shittalk around these issues. Either way, makes a lot more sense than your motive for him.

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You find me tiresome, yet you keep responding. This is not a problem. I welcome the discussion.

The problem lies in the fact that you won’t tag me, because you want to get the last word in and you’re hoping I don’t see it. Stop being a pussy.

“Exploitation” is not my go-to for those who promote gun control as a solution. It is rather a statement of intent as I see it.

A layman who promotes gun control because they view it as the solution? Pure, but wrong.

An egotistical idiot who makes a thread dedicated to “my state better than your state,” with no thought to the issue itself? Exploitative.

And no, he is not simply someone who is “fed up with bs” or whatever. If he was, he would be making real arguments, not ignoring them. If he was, he would cite evidence, not his supposed “6 houses.” 

He is not motivated by being intelligent or solving problems. He is motivated by feeling intelligent and “proving” superiority.

To him, tragedies like school shootings are nothing more than a bat to beat down on his opponents with.

He is a scumbag.
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A 14 year old. When will people start realizing that the next generation is full of degenerates like this guy and that we have a culture problem in the US.
Funny how the culture problem in the US is 57 times worse than that of comparable countries. I wonder what that's about.
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Funny how the culture problem in the US is 57 times worse than that of comparable countries. I wonder what that's about.
First world country problems. Too much electronics. Not enough personal interactions, etc
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The problem lies in the fact that you won’t tag me, because you want to get the last word in and you’re hoping I don’t see it. Stop being a pussy.
More funny ideas about people's motives. The truth of it is that I have no real interest in having an exchange with you. As I said, I find you tiresome. That or it simply amuses me not to tag you.
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Funny how the culture problem in the US is 57 times worse than that of comparable countries. I wonder what that's about.
Maybe it's something to do with all those guns you guys have lying around. I definitely think something like that would foster a general anxiety.
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@badger
That's funny because it definitely seems like a go-to for republicans that leftists are "exploiting" tragedies when shit like this happens. 

IWRA is just easily disgusted by what he considers immoral/inhumane. That's obvious to me at least who feels a lot of disgust watching you lot shittalk around these issues. Either way, makes a lot more sense than your motive for him.
More Americans die from fentanyl alone than from all gun deaths, including suicides or accidents, and from all (non-abortion) murders via any method, combined. But when Republicans talk about "shutting down the southern border" to deal with this crisis, as the vast majority of our fentanyl supply is imported from Latin America, you ascribe to them a cynical political motive. You assume that no Republican really does want to deal with the fentanyl crisis by shutting down the pathways through which its enters the US.

Things get politicized. That's just how it goes. It doesn't negate the sincere concerns held by millions of people underpinning said politics. Of course, IWRA is a notorious partisan circle-jerker so the odds that he actually cares about those dead kids is slim to none. Maybe you do.
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If you have no interest, behave like it then.
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But when Republicans talk about "shutting down the southern border" to deal with this crisis, as the vast majority of our fentanyl supply is imported from Latin America, you ascribe to them a cynical political motive.
A cynical political motive exists. Not the case for IWRA here. Not the case for liberals generally.

You assume that no Republican really does want to deal with the fentanyl crisis by shutting down the pathways through which its enters the US.
No I don't. I've chatted with a lot of American conservatives in my time on here. I've watched a lot of political commentary by American right-wingers. I find a marked inhumanity in most of you. thett on here is probably the big exception, in him I find a religious anxiety.

Maybe temporarily shutting down your southern border to deal with a fentanyl crisis is the way to go. I'm all for social distancing when people are sick and dying.
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He seems a decent fellow to me
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A 14 year old. When will people start realizing that the next generation is full of degenerates like this guy and that we have a culture problem in the US.
Funny how the culture problem in the US is 57 times worse than that of comparable countries. I wonder what that's about.
Ask Switzerland.

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Switzerland has 1/4 of the guns per capita and 1/40th of the US population. Not comparable. Add to that that they're all filthy rich.

It's the extreme individualism and wealth disparity in America that causes conflict. That's all antithesis to community. Your guns are fuel to an already raging fire.
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Switzerland has 1/4 of the guns per capita and 1/40th of the US population. Not comparable. Add to that that they're all filthy rich.
Ah, suddenly other variables appear. Like magic huh?


It's the extreme individualism and wealth disparity in America that causes conflict.
We're just too damn free, it makes is murderous as teens. So what are those "comparable countries" that Double R was talking about?
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Guns are definitely a sickly thing in their own right. The only guns I ever see are the army guys guarding the cash-in-transit vans for our banks. And any Irish person will tell you they feel an anxiety when they're around.  They're men with killing machines standing in the middle of our town squares. Everyone would prefer that didn't exist. I just don't know how Americans became so inured to it.

Switzerland probably has the foundation of community to overcome that anxiety. America never will. Anxious people snap and shoot up the school. There's your explanation for school shootings. 
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@badger
Guns are definitely a sickly thing in their own right. The only guns I ever see are the army guys guarding the cash-in-transit vans for our banks. And any Irish person will tell you they feel an anxiety when they're around.  
Maybe that's why the Irish have been historically subjugated for so long, an unwillingness to fight back, cause it would be "a sickly thing". Who needs freedom when you can have anxiety instead? Nothing a good beer can't cure though.
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Sad attention seeking behaviour. You gotta be nearly 60 GP. That doomsday prepper stuff is dopey argument too though.
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@badger
I just don't know how Americans became so inured to it.
It's you who changed. Carrying around weapons has been the common behavior of free men and women for hundreds of thousands of years.

Bandits are the one who like disarmed victims.

Where is is natural disarmament is fine, what makes it natural is the lack of threats. Law is not natural. You don't need to threaten someone with a gun to give up their guns if they were going to give them up anyway.


Switzerland probably has the foundation of community to overcome that anxiety.
Your anxiety is besides the point. Anxiety doesn't cause or prevent school shootings. What they lack is children who decide to kill as many peers as they can.


America never will. Anxious people snap and shoot up the school.
So guns made the kid anxious and this motivated him to get a gun and then kill people with it. Sorry, doesn't hold together.


There's your explanation for school shootings. 
Yes but it was ridiculous so the problem remains, and indeed is compounded by people with ridiculous and dangerous theories being prevalent.
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Guns are definitely a sickly thing in their own right. The only guns I ever see are the army guys guarding the cash-in-transit vans for our banks. And any Irish person will tell you they feel an anxiety when they're around.  
Maybe that's why the Irish have been historically subjugated for so long, an unwillingness to fight back, cause it would be "a sickly thing".
It's more like the English killed everyone who carried a weapon and kept doing it until carrying a weapon was no longer a survival trait.

Which is precisely why it's in the bill of rights. It's not there so people feel safe, it's so governments (and other organized criminals) don't.

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It's you who changed. Carrying around weapons has been the common behavior of free men and women for hundreds of thousands of years.

Fair enough. In that case, I don't know how Americans aren't sick of it. Maybe try out some civilisation like the rest of us.

Bandits are the one who like disarmed victims.
Not trying to victimise anyone. Just enjoying the peace of mind and sense of community that comes in living in a gun free society. 
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It's more like the English killed everyone who carried a weapon and kept doing it until carrying a weapon was no longer a survival trait.
Americans take it for granted that everyone wants instinctual life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness endowed by the creator.

The English has taught us that these instincts can be dealt with. It's too bad Ireland wasn't as far away as America.
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Maybe try out some civilisation like the rest of us.
You're getting locked up for questioning the state narrative slightly sooner than we are, so as of right now it's looking like our founders were right and you're the sheep in this story. Maybe when governments are worthy of civilization we can have a civilization without an armed populace.


Bandits are the one who like disarmed victims.
Not trying to victimise anyone.
That doesn't mean you aren't repeating the false arguments of those who are.


Just enjoying the peace of mind and sense of community that comes in living in a gun free society. 
If being unarmed created peace of mind  then the mass gun grabbing of the soviet union and the national socialists would have turned out differently. I see much more community among the gun wielding rural people than the gunless urban people. They're afraid of their neighbors, not the guns; and that's why there are still gangs in London and Japan.
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I see much more community among the gun wielding rural people than the gunless urban people.
Yes, low population areas, meaning very close-knit and interdependent people, will probably get along fine with guns. Was more or less my point about why Switzerland and the US aren't comparable already. The problem is when you start piling on the population. Then the fact that everyone is armed to the teeth to kill each other becomes a point of anxiety.

You Americans all think you're in a movie or something. The whole rest of the first world has given up their guns for a safer society without incident.
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Weal, fearful people buy guns because they want to feel strong and confident, but they are just weak, fearful people who own guns.   

If you don't think you can negotiate modern life without needing to kill people, you are weak, fearful, and socially inept.  

Strong, confident, and well-adjusted people don't view society with fear or the desire to kill.
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However, Roosevelt has made many threads talking about how “red state crime is out of control”… a claim anyone reasonable would recognize as ridiculous. In truth, crime rates in any location are a product of many factors, and it isn’t a blue/red split.
He's being facetious. It's a response to the ridiculousness of republicans framing every problem in the country as purely the result of democratic policies when it is not that simple, so you two seem to be in agreement.
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Funny how the culture problem in the US is 57 times worse than that of comparable countries. I wonder what that's about.
First world country problems. Too much electronics. Not enough personal interactions, etc
So every first world country has the same problem then, is that right?
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Maybe it's something to do with all those guns you guys have lying around. I definitely think something like that would foster a general anxiety.
You mean a country that is inundated with guns will have more gun violence? Nah, couldn't be.
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Funny how the culture problem in the US is 57 times worse than that of comparable countries. I wonder what that's about.
Ask Switzerland.
Why?

I suspect the answer is that it's the outlier in some statistic you decided to cherry pick. Let's see if I'm right.
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So every first world country has the same problem then, is that right?
The best first world country. I know you disagree with that :)
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Was more or less my point about why Switzerland and the US aren't comparable already.
Which countries are comparable to the US?

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Maybe you're right and I don't have enough faith in him, but I think he's exactly the partisan circlejerker myself and others say he is. 

Just take a look at his threads. They're mostly inane criticisms that, at the end of the day, are not going to influence someone's vote if that someone is concerned with policy over stuff like some documentary on a TV show from over a decade ago... or about Marjorie Taylor Greene's divorce. In fact, I don't even care who's in his cabinet if it's Trump vs. Harris. Hell, I don't even care whether or not Trump is a good person. I only care about the quality of his policies.

Even in the threads where he may have a tiny point, he relies heavily on out-of-context quotes and regurgitates whatever mainstream media slop he came across that day.

If this thread is some satire of some things he's seen right-wingers post, he's got me fooled.

Sure, he may be jaded by the fact that some right-wingers will dumb down issues to "red states good, blue states bad"... but I'm convinced it's the fact that the blue states are the accused ones that bothers him, not the dumbing down of it all. If that isn't the case, why does he feel the need to defend Chicago's unenforceable gun laws (and the crime rates that are increased by said laws being violated) by blaming violations of said law on Indiana? (NOTE: It's not for the alleged satire in this thread; this isn't the first time I've seen him fall back on MuH HoOsIEr GUnS when someone brings up Chicago's inability to enforce its own laws.)

To me, this looks no different than every other hyper-partisan thread he's made. This is the dude who was calling Thomas Crooks a patriot, and demeaning Trump supporters as people who should be "forced underground" by any means, including physical force. He's also the dude who routinely approaches my arguments with bad faith... so why should I have any good faith in him here?