trump is wrong to shut down the government for a wall

Why don't you ask a Coyote where he trafficks his young girls?

sure they want more patrols and drones because once they are on U.S. soil they will be released to appear at a future court date, we all know how that works.  this is the 'security' the democrats want and why they are so opposed to walls.

That's really not true now though. Ankle bracelets are doing alot to lower the ~90% rate of Refugees skipping out on their court date. Plus Trump has given recent arrivals priority for Refugee court cases so that they can be deported quickly before they can do any social damage.

You can be certain that a wall isn't going to detain them.

Exactly 

I want the wall to protect innocent children from irresponsible parents throwing their children's lives away.

Do you support the human trafficking of minors who can't refuse to cross a desert where there is no wall? 

Building a wall will have absolutely no effect on the problem you describe.

A wall by itself isn't as effective as one with patrols etc, no one is denying that are they? 

These the same peopl who want rapists  and murderers to live in condos with no fence.

Whatever. Assume you are right and assume you hate Trump. Would you be willing to spend 5 billion out of a budget of trillions to ensure a permanent removal of Trump in 2020?

I mean after all, if walls don't work and most Americans hate walls, then you should give Trump the rope to hang himself with, especially when it's only 5 billion.

That's a drop in the bucket compared to the Trillions the Republicans spent on the failed Obamacare to ensure that almost all of Obama's legacy was erased.

Humans have been using walls for protection for 1000's of years and they also used water motes.

Trumpanzees still have their heads in their armpits with such a narrow view of the world and how global we have become and will continue globalize.

Remember the 300 spartans motto, 'you cant stop people who want to be free'.

Bru7al is correct, as they so often are. An his current civilation walls for protection of what works.

..."Although sections of concrete wall are most often pictured in the media, these account for only 3 percent of the barrier, primarily in residential areas and along highways where Palestinian snipers had targeted Israeli citizens.
...The remaining 97 percent consists of a double chain link fence flanking a dirt patrol road. Enhanced with electronic sensors that alert the Israel Defense Forces to movement along the fence, its object is less to stop infiltrators than to deter, detect and track them."...

..."Moving west of Israel to the other side of the Gaza Strip, Egypt has also erected  a massive steel barricade with Gaza. Unlike the Israeli wall, which is more of a fence, the Egyptian barrier is definitely a wall; the barrier is made of bombproof, super strength steel which cannot be cut or melted, and extends an astounding 20 meters underground. In fact, the Egyptian wall is one of the few that can be delineated from space.

While the Israeli wall was built to impede immigration, the Egyptian wall  was built to stop the smuggling of contraband into Egypt, and to stop the smuggling of weapons, explosives, and goods that are unattainable domestically to the Palestinians. Since the beginning of the barricade, Hamas smugglers have dug tunnels under the desert into Egypt in order to smuggle the aforementioned items into Gaza. The Egyptian government responded by creating an underground wall to block the tunnels while simultaneously keeping all plans for the wall secret to conceal its construction from Hamas. As a result, the wall has cut off hundreds of tunnels closer to the surface and forced the Palestinians to dig deeper and deeper. During construction of the wall, many underground tunnels collapsed, sometimes killing or trapping smugglers.

The Egyptian wall has not stopped all smuggling completely, but it has forced Hamas to go to greater length in order to move goods. Proponents of the US-Mexico wall have claimed that it would help to fight drug smuggling by the Mexican cartels, and the Egyptian wall has certainly shown some success in that respect. In addition, Mexican cartels have also created networks of tunnels that they use for smuggling across the border in a manner similar to Hamas.

It's really weird when the Mexican Drug Cartels and Pelosi have the same exact agenda.

Not really. Liberal upper middle class whites hate American and Americans. They want it to become a third world cess pool. Cause we are bad people who need punished. They think their money will buy them safety behind their personal fences. Wait and see. 

Not to mention Importing Marxists from failed nations like Guatemala and Honduras helps speed the proletariat revolution.

Gruppenführer Greyparrot is on the right track. Why bother defending the need for the wall, or your own prejudice when you can simply dishonestly ignore all inconvenient facts, misportray realitg, and troll people who disagree with you.

Go away Canadian commie. Too bad Hitler didn't rid the world of your Marxist disease.

I have a plan: how about we liberals volunteer en mass to go to the houses of frightened white people to check under their beds and in their closets to reassure you that there are no Hispanic’s or minorities hiding there ready to jump out and steal your country.

It will have EXACTLY the same effect as the 5bn for a wall, but you can get it for free! 

You don't have to check under the beds or closets for Marxists. You can find them at SJW protests near the Marxist universities, in front of the TV watching CNN, fleeing failed marxist nations like Venezuela, or of course in Canada.

You forgot about how we should all be terrified of a Klingon Invasion.

You know, I’ll be happy to start an organization that will help to protect you from the scary brown people, the scary black people, the scary Marxist’s, the scary SJWs and other imaginary threats to your existence. 

For the knockdown price of $1bn, I will give you and all trump supporters a special spray that will protect you from all the Fox News boogymen AND manbearpig!

Yes, securing our borders to keep unauthorized crossings to a bare minimum is impossible. Because we live in the 16th century, and the long border is patrolled by guys on horseback with polearms and muskets. Communication from one outpost to another takes a fortnight, and then many moons to report to the capital in the event of an armed invasion.

It's not as though there've been other countries which've successfully limited illegal immigration, and emigration, through physical barriers and the use of modern technology. It's not as though we have any reason to try, since it's not as though tens of thousands of Americans overdose and die each year on powerful narcotics smuggled into this country, several times greater than the annual number of gun homicides.

Because more anchor baby voters for the Democratic Party is more important to you treasonous snakes than the wellbeing of our country.

Yes, let's make fentanyl legal. Because 42,000 deaths a year from such is far too little.