Name for legislative accomplishments for the Trump administration

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Right genius, and the Congress could never have gotten it passed without the President. See how that works?
You act like signing a piece of paper is equivalent to the work Congress put in to draft, negotiate, re-draft, and re-negotiate a several thousand page bill. Newsflash: it isn't.

While the engine of legislative ideas and action is Congress itself, the President has influence in the legislative process, as well
Which is, again, limited to asking for stuff and hoping that they listen.

The President recommends an annual budget for federal agencies and often suggests legislation.
A recommendation which Congress doesn't have to follow.

At best, they might make a few concessions to the President because there's the possibility that he'll veto the budget Congress actually writes and passes (which would then take a larger majority to re-pass and override such). But in practice, the last time an appropriations bill was successfully vetoed was back in 2015, and it's only happened 3 times since 2008; two of these cases were for specific governmental sectors (defense and intelligence agencies) as opposed to comprehensive spending packages. This is an option that the President, whoever he may be, is reluctant to exercise, because it makes trouble for the government if Congress is forced back to the drawing board and delays passing a budget.
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@Swagnarok
You act like signing a piece of paper is equivalent to the work Congress put in to draft, negotiate, re-draft, and re-negotiate a several thousand page bill. Newsflash: it isn't.
You act like all the president does is sign the bill. That simply isn’t the case.

And Congress doesn’t do the drafting, it’s the lobbyists and the Congressional staff that write the bills.
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@Swagnarok
You act like signing a piece of paper is equivalent to the work Congress put in to draft, negotiate, re-draft, and re-negotiate a several thousand page bill. Newsflash: it isn't.
Why do you assume that the President, the one person who can singlehandedly decide whether the bill becomes law has no role in negotiating legislation?
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Since Clinton left office in January 2001 no US President has vetoed more than 12 bills. For Trump and Biden, that's less than one bill every 4 months. For Bush and Obama, that's less than one bill every 6 months. Given how little the option is actually used, I doubt that it's something the President often leverages to negotiate with Congress. And the President really doesn't have any other leverage to speak of, so.
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President Donald Trump didn’t veto any legislation during the 115th Congress in 2017 and 2018 when Republicans controlled the House and Senate. Trump did, however, veto 10 bills in the ensuing two years when there was a divided Congress, with the House controlled by Democrats and the Senate controlled by Republicans.
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Fair enough. What this suggests is that the President doesn't tend to negotiate specific terms with Congress. He/She just tries to limit what the other party does.
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So Congress tried to pass 10 separate bills that didn't have 2/3 support of the American people. Sounds like Democracy in action.
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Hmm, apparently one bill was rammed through with 2/3 support.

the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for Fiscal Year 2021

The bill included provisions that would limit the President's ability to withdraw U.S. troops from countries like Afghanistan, Germany, and South Korea without consulting Congress. Trump opposed these restrictions, as they would constrain his ability to make decisions about U.S. military deployments.

So had Trump's veto stood, Biden would not have had that terrible Afghanistan tragedy which eventually led to Biden dropping out.

I approve of this Democratic action.
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The fact is, President Joe Biden and his predecessor, Donald Trump, were both eager to withdraw U.S. troops from Afghanistan and end what Biden referred to in his Aug. 16 speech as “America’s longest war.”
The Trump administration in February 2020 negotiated a withdrawal agreement with the Taliban that excluded the Afghan government, freed 5,000 imprisoned Taliban soldiers and set a date certain of May 1, 2021, for the final withdrawal.
And the Trump administration kept to the pact, reducing U.S. troop levels from about 13,000 to 2,500, even though the Taliban continued to attack Afghan government forces and welcomed al-Qaeda terrorists into the Taliban leadership.
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Imagine if Trump had the Afghanistan disaster instead of Biden. Kamala probably wouldn't be running today.
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@Swagnarok
Fair enough. What this suggests is that the President doesn't tend to negotiate specific terms with Congress.
You can go by anything Trump did because he was completely unprepared and unqualified for the office as so many people in his cabinet said.

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Imagine if Trump had the Afghanistan disaster instead of Biden. Kamala probably wouldn't be running today.
Was it worse than what happened in Beirut during the Reagan Administration?

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I never liked Reagan.
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I never liked Reagan.
Oh right, Libertarians don’t like anyone