I don't understand how anyone could think trump is smart

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i don't have the number on hand, but something like 75% of the people trump hired for his administration don't endorse his re-election. Many of them say he's an idiot. I'm sure some of it is gossip. But you don't have 75% of your former employees saying you shouldn't be president if you are a competent president.
Then again having a cult focused on hating one man facts be damned is pretty unusual too. Who knows what they see and hear? Maybe they have hallucinations like you do.
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How many of those people got fired for incompetence?
not sure. But that doesn't speak highly of trump either does it? He had free reign to hire anyone he wanted and ended up having the large majority fired or quit. Kinda makes it look like he's an idiot. Or he's just so bad at his job that people quit in despair. 

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not sure. But that doesn't speak highly of trump either does it? 
It says Trump fires a lot of people and gives those disgruntled employees a solid reason to lie to people who rely on gossip to form their ideas.
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Then again having a cult focused on hating one man facts be damned is pretty unusual too.
you would be right if your statement was accurate. The "facts be damned" part makes you wrong though. The facts are that trump was a wildly incompetent, dangerous and criminal president. The hate he gets is perfectly reasonable. 

Who knows what they see and hear?
they do. that's why they reported it.
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You choose to believe he didn't because you don't want to hear it.
That's what they said about Jesus.


You hear him say more than 100% of jobs went to migrants and say, "no he didn't say that mathematically impossible thing, no he really meant some other thing that isn't stupid."
I haven't claimed to hear him say anything in this thread (yet). You have. Problem is when you posted the clip he didn't say "bleach" like you said and confirmed you personally heard.

All evidence points to you being hallucinatory, and that is a level of derangement that defines "dangerous". We're so so far beyond trusting you to judge Trump, I don't even trust you to agree with an objective fact (like the transcript of a recorded video) because that is exactly the trust you have betrayed.
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It says Trump fires a lot of people and gives those disgruntled employees a solid reason to lie to people who rely on gossip to form their ideas.
It's says some combination of 2 things.

1) trump is an idiot who doesn't know how to hire competent people. He had access to hiring almost anyone in the country. But the majority of the people he hired either quit on him or he fired them. This is an unpreceded problem for an administration. 

2) trump's administration was so bad that people just kept bailing on him. They couldn't stand working for him so they just left before their careers became tainted by working for him.
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Perhaps that's a valid reason why most government appointees have job security, because they know they could run to the press and make up stories that people will believe when the public forms ideas based on gossip.
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You choose to believe he didn't because you don't want to hear it.
That's what they said about Jesus.
I have no idea what you are trying to say. Jesus likely did exist, the things said about him are almost certainly untrue or inaccurate. No one who ever met jesus wrote anything about him. 

I haven't claimed to hear him say anything in this thread (yet). You have. Problem is when you posted the clip he didn't say "bleach" like you said and confirmed you personally heard.
there you go again. I talk about one thing, you change to something else. I was talking about his claim that more than 100% of jobs went to migrants. 

All evidence points to you being hallucinatory
jesus.... this is pointless. I reference videos of him talking, where he says words. And your response is that i am hallucinating the words that are recorded on video. 
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jesus.... this is pointless. I reference videos of him talking, where he says words. And your response is that i am hallucinating the words that are recorded on video.
ADOL won't be satisfied until you claim these words:

"Trump did not say bleach"
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You choose to believe he didn't because you don't want to hear it.
That's what they said about Jesus.
I have no idea what you are trying to say.
I'm saying that if I need to "want" to hear bleach before I hear "bleach" I will never hear "bleach" because the reality I believe in (objective reality) doesn't care what I want. If Trump really said "bleach" then I would hear bleach regardless of what I wanted.


I talk about one thing, you change to something else.
The only thing I'm interested in is why you think you can lie about one thing and then be trusted to relay another accusation?

I'm not going to check the field for wolves every time you or someone like you lies.


I reference videos of him talking, where he says words.
...but not the words you claim to have seen and heard.


And your response is that i am hallucinating the words that are recorded on video.
...Yes, which means you're wasting your time. The reason we disagree with you about Trump is very clear, we think you're delusional. How are you going to get past that? I mean if you trusted google's speech to text you could look at the written words but I don't see why you or I would expect that you could hallucinate audio but not symbols.

There is just no fixing this, I mean unless you're lying in which case the solution is clearly to confess or to stop wasting our time and log off.


jesus.... this is pointless. I reference videos of him talking, where he says words. And your response is that i am hallucinating the words that are recorded on video.
[Greyparrot] ADOL won't be satisfied until you claim these words:

"Trump did not say bleach"
I thought that was obvious? Was I not making that very obvious?

and then I wouldn't be satisfied until somebody expresses some self-reflection. "Why did I believe that? Who told me do believe that? What else to I believe because I trusted these sources"

I pretty much don't care about anything else HistoryBuff has to say and I will likely keep reminding him that he's a cultist spreading obvious lies until he repents, much as I did with Underdog.

It's hopeless enough as it is to try and debate people online without people blatantly not giving a shit when they're proven wrong about publicly available recordings and documents.
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I will likely keep reminding him that he's a cultist spreading obvious lies until he repents
Trump spreads lots of dirty lies. You dont want Trump to repent. I guess you are an obvious cultist.
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See, even FLRW doesn't think "Trump said bleach"
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I will likely keep reminding him that he's a cultist spreading obvious lies until he repents
Trump spreads lots of dirty lies. You dont want Trump to repent.
Trump isn't on this forum. I can guarantee you that if anyone claimed that they heard words that were not spoken and didn't tuck tail despite reviewing the public recording I would write them off as malicious or (for practical purposes) insane.

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Trump isn't on this forum
Trump is the president of USA now. That is bigger priority than forum. You think only forum is important.

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Trump isn't on this forum
Trump is the president of USA now.
Joined QAnon now?


You think only forum is important.
The forum is for debate, it's where people can be responded to. I can't cross examine Trump, I can cross examine people on this forum. I did ask several pointed questions of HistoryBuff and he doubled down in every way one can. There is no room for misunderstanding, exaggeration, jokes as there is almost always for the so called "lies" of Donald Trump.
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I can't cross examine Trump
But you still love him a lot. I guess its a pure cult then. Whats in it for you there?
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Trump is the president of USA now.
Wow, not even gonna wait for MSM to call the race?
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The problem is that he doesn't say "these things", but you still hear them (personally).
No, he distinctly said there is going to be a “bloodbath” if he doesn’t get elected… a BLOODBATH, FFS!! That means people literally bathing in the blood of their victims!

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“Trump did not say bleach"
Bleach is a disinfectant genius.

By definition a disinfectant is a chemical liquid that destroys germs, such as bacteria and viruses.

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The problem is that he doesn't say "these things", but you still hear them (personally).
No, he distinctly said there is going to be a “bloodbath” if he doesn’t get elected… a BLOODBATH, FFS!! That means people literally bathing in the blood of their victims!
This is even worse than that mischaracterization. This is Trump saying "I like to stay hydrated" and publishing "Trump suggests he would drink the blood of children"

and then you would see the dangerous cultists like IWRA saying "blood is mostly water genius"


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Yeah that pretty smart hiring people to run your business.
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It says Trump fires a lot of people 
It says he’s a moron who smart people don’t want any part of.

The list of people who walked away from Trump after realizing he’s unfit is long and shocking to normal people.

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and then you would see the dangerous cultists like IWRA saying "blood is mostly water genius"
What cult would that be exactly? I was happy to see Biden withdraw from the race.

The only cult going on right now is the Trump Cult.

This is Trump saying "I like to stay hydrated" and publishing "Trump suggests he would drink the blood of children"
No. No it’s not like that at all. 

What is your interpretation of Trump’s bloodbath comment? As you know, Trump has a meandering speaking style and goes off on tangents all the time.
So here he is talking about the auto industry, then says if I gets elected, then says, if I don’t get elected it’s going to be a bloodbath, and the economy will be the least of your worries.


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Joe Biden used the term "bloodbath" in 2019 during a campaign event in New Hampshire. While discussing the potential consequences of impeaching President Donald Trump, Biden mentioned that impeachment could lead to a "constitutional crisis" and a "political bloodbath." He was warning about the divisive and potentially chaotic impact that impeachment proceedings could have on the country.

Talking at a campaign rally in Ohio in 2024, the former president and the Republican 2024 presidential candidate predicted that the country is headed towards a "bloodbath" in November if he loses the election against the Democratic incumbent. "Now, if I don't get elected, it's gonna be a bloodbath. That's going to be the least of it. It's going to be a bloodbath for the country," he said, while commenting on the situation of the U.S. auto workers and car industry.

He later added: "I don't think you're going to have another election in this country, if I don't win this election... certainly not an election that's meaningful."

"What we can't let happen is let this primary become a negative bloodbath," Biden told a crowd of Democratic donors gathered in Bethesda, Maryland, 
And then Biden dropped out, fulfilling his prophecy.

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“political bloodbath."
So if Trump was an effective communicator who didn’t want to send coded messages, he would have said a financial or economic bloodbath.

But Trump wants the coded messages. Just like stand back and standby to the Proud Boys. And they did show up on January 6, right?
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No work again today? Don’t full time teachers have regular hours and work M-F from 7 to 4?
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Yeah that pretty smart hiring people to run your business.

literally all businesses do that. Delegating tasks to smarter people in not necessarily a sign of intelligence. Especially when the businesses you do get more involved in fail miserably. 
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Just can't give credit to somebody being smart. Well is it dumb to have people run your business?
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You do have to legitimately wonder if he knows that he's lying, or if the legitimately thinks this could be true.
I've stopped trying to decipher what is going on in that man's head a long time ago, it's a scary place to be. Trump is a walking paradox, whether you're talking about his intelligence, his racism, his narcism... There are just so many rabbit holes you can go down and many of them contradict eachother.

I think Sam Harris put it best when he said 'if Trump were half as bad he would seem worse, because at least then he'd be recognizably bad'. Because Trump is so terrible in so many ways nothing sticks to him because no one fault can maintain the spotlight long enough to come into focus, and with every fault there are a host of other faults that can potentially explain why he does or says the stupid or abhorrent things he does.