Middle School Mafia DP2

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If you have inside information than unvote and revote.  If this is just a read than I plan on ignoringnit
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I kinda buy the claim.

Just to be clear, you are a regular hider, doesn't die if hides behind mafia?
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Saying you "softed this really heavily" is a harder sell. You most definitely provided some strange details for it that didn't jive with Innocent Child, but at best, that's softing that you have a role that isn't Innocent Child, in which case... why claim it at all? It felt like just a means to automatically get you through DP1, something you could have accomplished just by claiming Friendly Neighbor since that is clearly confirmable. Was the goal to trip up scum or town with this? Also, hard to ignore that you're claiming to have visited the person who was NK'd.
My goal was to leave my role ambiguous enough that scum  wouldn't have a clear plan to counter it while also making it specific enough that no other role satisfies what I specified. If you can name any other role that

-unambiguously confirms my affiliation
-can be roleblocked
-relies on the person I'm targeting surviving

then go ahead.
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Owen should probably claim. He's at L - 1.
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Austin (2/4): WyIted, Whiteflame

Owen_T (1/4): Ilikepie5


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We can't do a whole lot to interpret Pie's vote and I'm loath to use one of his two remaining votes to determine get more information unless absolutely necessary, but given the fact that you are the only one with a blank spot on your claim, I'd say it's worth filling in the gap. We can come back to Austin's claim after you've given your role.

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VTL Owen
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Owen should probably claim. He's at L - 1.
Owen is not at L-1 dude, he has two votes on him.
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Just to be clear, you are a regular hider, doesn't die if hides behind mafia?
Yes, I'm the regular Hider. It wasn't specified in my PM, but I asked about it because I've seen the regular and weak version online.

My goal was to leave my role ambiguous enough that scum  wouldn't have a clear plan to counter it while also making it specific enough that no other role satisfies what I specified. If you can name any other role that

-unambiguously confirms my affiliation
-can be roleblocked
-relies on the person I'm targeting surviving

then go ahead.
I looked up the role and realized I had it confused with the Friendly Neighborizer, which confirms itself pretty that you're town aligned).  From what I'm reading, the Friendly Neighbor doesn't confirm your affiliation, it just tells you whether your target is a player who is town-aligned. That seems especially strange given that we now know that Barney was the Cop. Considering you two are the only claimed informative roles in the game, I don't think that that pseudo-CC necessarily mean you're lying, especially if scum have a role that modifies their alignment (which, given that Casey is confirmed to have been the Miller, is plausible).

That being said, it doesn't (again, to my knowledge) "unambiguously confirm your affiliation", and the rest of those points apply to a lot of other roles.
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Also, before we go any further on other discussion, is anyone else having more trouble with error messages recently? I've almost double-posted a couple of times because the site just does not consistently allow me to submit messages or move pages without an error, and then it's a 50-50 chance that it will actually submit.
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My role targets a player, mod sends them a message that I'm town. I'm not sure what a friendly neighborizer is.
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Yeah this site has been wack with posting recently.
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My role targets a player, mod sends them a message that I'm town. I'm not sure what a friendly neighborizer is.
Ah, I figured I must have misread something. I read it as you receiving confirmation that your target is town, not their receiving the information that you're town. That makes more sense. I retract what I said about yours not being an affiliation-confirmable role. That's my bad, it makes more sense for the name of the role as well.

The Friendly Neighborizer is essentially a mason who recruits people and then confirms their affiliation when they arrive. Similar concept with a recruitment included.


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It's nearly midnight where I am so I promise I'll claim tommorow. 
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It's nearly midnight where I am so I promise I'll claim tommorow. 
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I'll just paste it in quickly. Reworded in slang

Owen_T - You're the kingpin of the school! Everyone's trying to be like you or be in your crew 'cause you got that clout. If someone wants to stay cool, they gotta roll with you, so you got mad power. You're the Vote Thief, meaning during the DP, you can flex on someone and make 'em switch their vote to whoever you're backing. You can pull this move as many times as you want during the DP, or not at all, but only on one person at a time. You're reppin' the Town side.
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VTL OWEN

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Good enough


vtl owen
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Vtl Owen.
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I was about to hammer lol.

Hopefully that just ends things.

Moozer should have rerolled if that was the rand, honestly.
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Vote thief is the scummiest role ever.
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Just came back to the claim and the hammer. That was fast, don’t love how quickly that turned around even with Pie’s emphasized vote. The Vote Thief is definitely a scummy claim, though.
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Pie confirmed he had inside information with the unvote and vote. I assume he had watched the NK or something. Would like to get more information but I think at least 75% chance that is game
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Pie confirmed he had inside information with the unvote and vote. I assume he had watched the NK or something. Would like to get more information but I think at least 75% chance that is game
I had forgotten you asked him to do that. It might have just been for emphasis, but he certainly seems confident, so he could have more info.

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Owen_T (4/4): Whiteflame, Pie, Catholic, WyIted.

Owen T was lynched. He was… Innocent!

Please submit Night actions ASAP

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Lock please