Savant is town. VTL Owen.
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@AustinL0926
So, it’s late, and the kind of post I’d like to make right now is probably going to come out garbled (nearing home at last). I’d also like to wait for an answer about the finer details of Austin’s role, hence the ping.
Long story short, I’ve got thoughts and a role to claim. Stay tuned tomorrow morning.
I do request that no one proceed to a lynch before I give said thoughts. It’ll be worth the wait.
VTL OWen
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@ILikePie5
With 8 players remaining, it takes 5 votes to achieve a lynch. The day phase will end in 72 hours on Sunday August 11, 2024 at 7:30pm CST.
I assume this is inaccurate?
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@Earth
Yeah, should be 6 players and 4 votes. That being said, let’s exercise caution here. No one put Owen at L-1, at least until I get my chance to post. I realize we’re at 5-1, but one mislynch is still MYLO.
Vote Count:
Owen (3/4) - Austin, Savant, Earth
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@Earth
I assume this is inaccurate?
Yes, it should say 6 players and 4 votes to lynch. Besides that, it’s accurate
one of you unvote now
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@ILikePie5
Is he actually at L-1?
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@Earth
@AustinL0926
@Savant
Alright, I forgot that Austin had already voted so he’s already at L-1. At least one of you remove your vote, there is no reason to rush this DP.
Unvote
Guys, can we just take a step back and recognize that the killer, whoever they may be, could be struggling with some serious internal issues about having murdered someone for their gorgeous toes, and that it's a completely understandable mistake.
I think we should me merciful towards them and donate any surplus of toes in order to ensure such tragic incidents don't occur again.
I think we should me merciful towards them and donate any surplus of toes in order to ensure such tragic incidents don't occur again.
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@Savant
Listen, your foot fetish may be a little weird, but resorting to murder isn't okay. I would be willing to forgive you though in exchange for your pinkie toe.
oh is Owen just messing with us now
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@Earth
@AustinL0926
@Savant
@JoeBob
@Owen_T
Alright, I’m tired, so this might not come out as coherently as I’d like, but whatever, it’ll do.
I’ll start with my claim. I’m the Watcher. It’s part of the reason I didn’t buy WyIted’s claim - not terribly common for both a Tracker and a Watcher to be in the same game - but I didn’t want to give it away if I could avoid it and we had a good case against WyIted regardless. Reigen’s good at reading people, so he’s the Watcher. Not the most obvious role for him, but the justification works well enough.
And now, results. NP1, I targeted Luna, who was only visited by Luna. I didn’t think it was a Lawyer role, especially after Luna claimed to largely town confirm me (seems he was reflected onto himself by Casey’s role, which was used on me), and given that Austin says he selected Luna as the likely one to die during that NP, we can assume his role doesn’t visit. Got it? Good.
NP2, I targeted JoeBob. I thought he’d be the NK target since he was blatantly town after all those negative interactions with WyIted. He was visited by two people: Savant, and Austin. Something doesn’t jive here. Austin’s role didn’t visit Luna… but did visit JoeBob? JoeBob says he used his role on Austin, so Austin could only have visited him if he used a role separate from his claim on someone and got redirected to JoeBob.
But, as JoeBob points out, the NK went through on Luna. So… what gives?
Well, this is the rub from JoeBob’s role (emphasis is mine):
Assuming no interference, any action that player did will be redirected to me.
What happened is simple enough: Austin used a role that interfered with JoeBob’s on JoeBob. He then performed the NK on Luna. That’s one way to make it look like you can’t have done the NK, and I like the effort, especially since it’s pretty obvious that JoeBob apparently wasn’t informed that his role was interfered with. I do recall that Pie is not prone to giving out that information (that your action failed) for non-investigative roles.
I’ll also point out that Austin has been online and even posted since Pie posted in here, meaning he’s almost certainly gotten an answer to his fake request for info, and hasn’t mentioned whether his role visits. Not that it matters - if his role doesn’t visit, he can’t explain where he clearly visited, and if it does, he can’t explain NP1 where he didn’t. I definitely got lucky with my choices of targets. Also, anyone else curious as to why his role has a 24 hour time limit to select a target each phase? Seemed weird to me to specify that rather than just giving him the duration of the phase or requiring a choice at the start of the phase.
Game’s solved, folks.
VTL Austin
All right then.
VTL Austin
Vote Count:
Austin (2/4) - Savant, Whiteflame
Owen (1/4) - Austin
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@whiteflame
Why didn't you wait for me to out my answer from Pie? It does visit, and that would have aligned with your results if you gave me a chance to say so/
I just realized I selected Wylted instead of Luna on NP1, so that's kind of idiotic. Probably should have double-checked who I actually selected but I was distracted last night :/
I don't expect anyone to believe this, so just give me day to read through the past day and leave my legacy on who the last scum is so we can win this.
Sorry.
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@AustinL0926
A) I waited 11 hours. You posted between then and now, after Pie had already posted, indicating that you had either did not ask the question or you asked and just didn’t give your answer.
B) Thank you for “confirming.” Guess you didn’t fully read my post, eh? If you visit your target, why didn’t you visit Luna NP1?
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@AustinL0926
I just realized I selected Wylted instead of Luna on NP1, so that's kind of idiotic. Probably should have double-checked who I actually selected but I was distracted last night :/I don't expect anyone to believe this, so just give me day to read through the past day and leave my legacy on who the last scum is so we can win this.Sorry.
If this is true, then your mistake is about to get you lynched. Oh well, we can mislynch once if needed, and you look scummy as hell.
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@whiteflame
According to my PMs, Pie messaged me at 5:59 AM PST. I just woke up.
I chose Wylted, not Luna. I forgot my target. I don't expect anyone to believe that I'm a dunce rather than a scum, so I'm asking you just give me today to closely read over last DP and find the last scum.
Alright good enough for me VTL Austin
Actually, we can wait a bit unvote
Based on how yesterday went, I'm not sure whether Earth should be entirely cleared. If Earth is town and was visited, Wylted has very limited motivation to both commit to a role claim, and also clear Earth at the same time. Although things eventually went disastrously for Wylted, at the time Joebob hadn't claimed his results yet.
He also initially pressured Joebob, tried at various points to save that Wylted could still be town (e.g. if a shield was given), and hesitated to vote Wylted even when things were clear.
Furthermore, he also tried to redirect the wagon on Earth from Joebob during DP1, even though objectively speaking (sorry Joebob), Earth is probably a stronger town player.
Joebob is always 100% clear here. The genuine frustration from Wylted doesn't make sense if it's all just elaborate theatre, not to mention how many things could easily go wrong with this plan for minimal gain.
whiteflame should also be close to clear. He pushed Wylted throughout the day when he could have easily gotten Joebob instead. His actions today also virtually guarantee he is town. If he knows I am town, then it doesn't make sense for him to claim guilty investigative results when it makes him look really bad if I flip - he has no reason to think that I'm a dunce and messed up my results.
This might be controversial, but Savant should be clear off Wylted's reactions to him. Wylted was clearly annoyed at him, and it doesn't make sense for Savant to bus considering he can't really take advantage of the towncred it brings due to his lack of activity. If it's a bus, it's both the laziest and most convincing one I've seen in a while.
Owen has nothing special going for him. I do want to note that Wylted did say we should consider lynching Owen last DP, so that's a point in his favor.
I actually think it might be Earth here. Discuss?
I just want to say for the record that I want Joebob and Savant to chime in before we commit to a lynch.
Vote Count:
Austin (2/4) - Savant, Whiteflame
Owen (1/4) - Austin
The reason I targeted Austin last NP was because he posted very little. However he did say he had family issue so I decided to not go after him.
But it seems like Austin may be scum here. I would like to see what Savant has to say about this.
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@Earth
@JoeBob
Tbh, I was wondering if Austin might be scum earlier. I mean it's him or Owen, but going after Owen very early might have been him trying to set up a mislynch. Right now, I trust WF's reasoning, and even if Austin could have made a mistake, he's the safest lynch at this point.