What's the Worst That Could Happen?

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What are the worst case scenarios where liberals and conservatives take power?

I ask because I see some intelligent conservatives on here with possibly good cases against some liberal ideas. I mean, not sure either how good, but at least I'm seeing reasoning applied. I can see that they might have beliefs as to the genuine good of certain policies. 

But I haven't ever seen a conservative worry about what conservatism is at large. Liberals do. And which probably makes it harder for them to hear when conservatives have good points.

I think it's good personal politics, especially given a two-party system, to consider the broader implications of your party's ideology. This means acknowledging worst-case scenarios, understanding who and what sort of people might be empowered or emboldened, and just generally recognising potential negative outcomes.

To start, honestly, I think liberals are fairly harmless. Feel free to disagree. 
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I guess my biggest concern would be getting a stranglehold n the machinery and becoming unbeatable. We can see the corruption behind 1 party rule in places like Chicago, but also in small Appalachian towns where the sherif is essentially king.

The left wants to add judges to the Supreme Court to erase a conservative majority and in some cases are giving illegal aliens the right to vote in some local elections, which would be acceptable onnit'snown but appear to allow the ability for them to have their votes counted in federal elections, despite being technically illegal. 

I think once there is monopolistic control of the machinery than the lawfare, and anti free speech laws will not receive any push back. I also believe the liberals are basically at the mercy of the leftists in their party, but to be fair with one party rule the leftists could potentially lose a lot of that influence.
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With conservatives, my concern is that we basically know an economic crash is coming. We know it for a fact that it will occur between 2024 and 2028 and it is unavoidable. If Trump wins this crash will likely be blamed on conservatives, despite being unavoidable and despite Trump not really being a conservative despite his pandering 
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Liberals in power, everything goes on as is now.
Conservatives in power, everything going on now may possibly be disrupted.

Overall, society has been so far progressed into a point of rubicon disaster, it is nearly incorrigible.
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Overall, society has been so far progressed into a point of rubicon disaster
Society goes further and further into their own shit.

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Great news for socialists: a new study has found that intelligent people are more likely to hold left-wing views.
Psychology researchers at the University of Minnesota, Twin Cities studied more than 300 families as part of the study and concluded in a new paper published in the journal Intelligence, that being more clever “correlated with a range of left-wing and liberal political beliefs.”
The researchers measured participants’ intelligence using both IQ and genetic indicators of intelligence known as polygenic scores. They ascertained participants’ politics by testing for five variables: “political orientation, authoritarianism, egalitarianism, social liberalism, and fiscal conservatism.”

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If someone has to tell you that you are smart, then you aren't.

The same goes for the economy.

If someone has to tell you the economy is great, then it isn't.
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If someone has to tell you that you are smart, then you aren't.
You are smart.

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We must keep up the good fight. Those that care to.
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Good One!
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lol.
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Does it not give you pause that you're aligned with white supremacists and literal Nazis? That Trump has previously refused to disavow white supremacists? That Trump's election saw a dramatic increase in hate crimes against minorities? That's the sort of stuff I'm wondering about here. Liberals aren't going to vote in the next Hitler. 
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Another question. Do you think liberals might be more agreeable on issues like the border and crime if they weren't contending with actual legitimate self-proclaimed Nazis on the right? It's a give an inch take a mile kinda thing, right? A political tug of war. If liberals leave any slack at all, they're wiped. 
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There's actually far more people in America that think having dark skin means you need more government help than there are people that think having white skin makes them a natural superhero. There's like maybe 2000 people tops in the KKK in America. Next to insignificant in a population of 340 million.
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Another question. Do you think liberals might be more agreeable on issues like the border and crime if they weren't contending with actual legitimate self-proclaimed Nazis on the right? It's a give an inch take a mile kinda thing, right? A political tug of war. If liberals leave any slack at all, they're wiped. 
What you think here Swag? I think this is very easily the case. And if it is the case a sensible thing might be the step across the aisle and let the other party be the Nazi party.
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I've seen an awful lot of obviously racist right wingers pass through here and DDO GP. You have too. 
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Does it not give you pause that you're aligned with white supremacists and literal Nazis?
Richard Spencer has endorsed Biden. A lot of Nazis hate Trump for his pro Jewish stance

That Trump has previously refused to disavow white supremacists?
He hasn't he has disavowed them. He was at some point asked this in like 20 interviews even after disavowing it and he bitched at the reporters and then disavowed them again. Some republican strategists have said he should have just immediately disavowed them in the interviews and that he was being unreasonable by expecting everyone to know who he has and has not disavowed prior to the interviews.

That Trump's election saw a dramatic increase in hate crimes against minorities?
At that time people were literally being attacked for wearing red hats. One famous example is the guy known as "bike lock man", and we also have several examples of people faking hate crimes on themselves. Just recently this senator was arrested for faking a hate crime https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas-democratic-candidate-charged-faking-racist-comments-himself but you have the famous examples of rachel Dolezal and Jussie Smollet. I think it's a bit of a social contagion. I don't understand why electing somebody who believes border security or who is populist would cause people to commit hate crimes. It;s not like he would pardon any of them, so I don't get the logic of somebody going "Trump got elected so I am going to kill me some black people" .

Liberals aren't going to vote in the next Hitler. 
I think Nikki Haley was basically the next Hitler and in open primaries Democrats tried to get her to beat Trump so they are playing with fire a bit, though even she would not be as bad as Hitler.

It's my personal belief that the only thing that keeps the country from sliding into tyranny is the bill of rights and personally I look for candidates who will better protect the Bill of Rights. When Bush was a bigger threat to the Bill of rights I voted Democrat. Now I believe it is the left. Freedom of speech of course being the biggest issue, which is why I have had issues with Texas and Florida recently attempting to create bills that threaten to harm my ability to criticize Jews, judaism and Israel.

With that said, I think Trump has some very clear weaknesses, but those aren't things you would likely notice. He is a bit of a security threat, I will list some reasons off the top of my head.

1. His twitter account was hacked into twice. His first password was "You're fired" his second password was something like "MAGA2020" . So this is not how you prevent an enemy from accessing your twitter profile. Somebody that can send out a single tweet and do a lot of damage with just that tweet.

2. He let classified information slip that America bombed the nordstream pipeline. He does this often.

3. When shot at, he is not supposed to be standing up pumping his fists. He is supposed to bend over at the waist and follow the directions of the secret service. He also remained unsafe by refusing to move until he retrieved his shoes, so he didn't help his security detail at all.

There is more. I do have concerns about him. I am not just on his nuts. I just do not believe that he is the next Hitler and I am more concerned about the norms being violated to harm him than I am with the norms he is violating himself.

I also view Trump as somewhat of an empty vessel. He is whatever the MAGA movement tells him to be and right now the paypal mafia and their avatars are in control of his administration. The project 2025 people essentially failed at their coup attempt, which I knew that even if they did fill out his administration, some shit is just so stupid it would never fly. The porn ban as one example. There will never be a porn ban in the United States due to the 1st amendment.
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Another question. Do you think liberals might be more agreeable on issues like the border and crime if they weren't contending with actual legitimate self-proclaimed Nazis on the right? It's a give an inch take a mile kinda thing, right? A political tug of war. If liberals leave any slack at all, they're wiped. 
I agree with this. It was a mistake for the right to create a culture war and what you mentioned is the result of that and yes the right is fully to blame,
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I am physically unable to respond to longer messages tbh. I never really embraced that part of interaction on the internet which departs from normal conversation. I also barely know what and who you're talking about for most of that.

But this part I agree with and find interesting:
I also view Trump as somewhat of an empty vessel.
That seems a little dangerous to me too. 
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I've seen an awful lot of obviously racist right wingers pass through here and DDO GP. You have too. 
I have, but it seems like these are the only places you would find one that genuinely thinks skin color has something to do with ability and when they do show up, they stick out badly. In daily life, you don't really see it anywhere on the streets or at work.

There are a lot of people that pretend to be a Nazi just for attention as well.
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Probably my biggest fear with liberal western democracies, which tend to emphasize the virtues of freedom and tolerance, is that they will ultimately tolerate their own cultural demise, which would mean the end of freedom and tolerance.
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Do you think liberals might be more agreeable on issues like the border and crime if they weren't contending with actual legitimate self-proclaimed Nazis on the right? It's a give an inch take a mile kinda thing, right? A political tug of war. If liberals leave any slack at all, they're wiped. 
There is no "Nazi problem" on the right. A handful of extremists who get a disproportionate amount of media attention are neo-Nazis, the same way there are highly visible communists/socialists (historical regimes which killed just as many people) among the left.

It's because Democrats are unreasonable on issues like this that people from communities on the receiving end of crime, or people who feel anxious about a rising tide of immigration they know nothing's being done to curb, are being radicalized into the far-right. Dems could've taken the wind out of Republican sails by just enforcing the laws we have on the books from the start.
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The skin-headed tattooed lunatics that want to lynch black people are counterbalanced by Bernie Sanders. Gotcha. 

You're not seeming so reasonable here to me. 
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The skin-headed tattooed lunatics that want to lynch black people are counterbalanced by Bernie Sanders. Gotcha. 
Do you realize how few of them there actually are, relative to our population of 330,000,000?

And again, historical communists committed genocides of their own, and modern tankies have no problem unironically saying "The kulaks deserved it" or whatnot.
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So you equate humane treatment of other people to self destruction. Not that I think there's nothing in that either, but probably not many liberals are just going to lie down and die where those values are encroached upon. Is it the trans? Where's the enemies at the gates here?
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Do you realize how few of them there actually are, relative to our population of 330,000,000?

I read racist shit on here all the time. GP admits above he does too. Racism seems all too common from where I'm sitting. Maybe they don't all have the tattoos to go with it.

And again, historical communists committed genocides of their own, and modern tankies have no problem unironically saying "The kulaks deserved it" or whatnot.
Bogeyman communist. Every liberal and socialist on here seems a very decent person only concerned with treating their fellow humans fairly. The organisation of Russian and Chinese imperialism means nothing to philosophy. 
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I totally disagree with you that liberals seem harmless. In the US at least the left wields asymmetric power and so the things they’re wrong about concern me a lot. Conservatives don’t seem to really do anything at all. 

Here’s a few things about the left that really worry me. These are of course generalizations and not every lefty agrees with all of these but they’re things that are way way way more
 common on the left than the right. 

-On criminal justice there’s a subset of the left that is incredibly extremist, and will release obviously violent criminals again and again and again and again until they kill someone. But if a civilian attempts to stop these criminals even in a self defense situation they’ll come down on them
like a hammer. You may think I’m exaggerating but I’m not, look up Daniel Penney. Huge swathes of the urban United States are places so violent that it would be hard for a European to even comprehend (no offense.) The homicide rate in places like south Chicago are comparable to a country in the middle of a war. It did not used to be this way, crime rates skyrocketed in the 1960s when the left ascended.  

-Their policies/behaviors on affirmative action in the workplace and education are a direct threat to my ability to make a living to support my family, and a threat to the livelihood of my own children in the future. 

-The US had a developed something as close as possible to a post racial consensus that the left deliberately blew up in the 2010s by spreading completely false narratives about police brutality etc 


-The position of the Democratic party on abortion is that is should be allowed for any reason the mother decides up to the moment of birth.  To me that’s absolutely horrifying 

-Leftist judges tend not to care about the constitution, and will just rule however they want. An interesting trend I’ve noticed in my years of watching the Supreme Court, there’s never any debate whatsoever how the liberal justices will rule on a contentious political issue. It’s not even considered by anyone for a split second. The question is always if some of the conservatives will defect. Leftist judges when they get power will ignore the constitution, precedent, and common sense and just brute force the country in the direction they want. For example for a half century the official constitutional interpretation of this clause was that it meant there was an absolute right to an abortion: “No person shall ... be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law” 

-The lefts position on parental rights is insane. They think that public school teachers have the right to talk to my children about sex and transgenderism and call them by a different name without my consent or knowledge. 

-The left in the US does not believe that our country has the right to secure our border. We’ve had about ten million illegal immigrants move here since Biden took office, with the tacit support of the Democratic establishment 

-The left does not believe in freedom of speech which is extremely important to me as it’s a right my people have had for centuries. The right has basically won on this issue in the past few years but the stuff I personally witnessed in 2020 is something I’ll never forget. I saw people lose their jobs for saying really milquetoast stuff in private conversations with people they thought were their friends. 

That’s just off the top of my head. I hate a lot about the modern right too, like their retardation, the conspiracy theories, wanting to cut taxes for billionaires for some reason, but the left scares me more
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I read racist shit on here all the time.
What you mentioned were those who "want to lynch black people". That's a far cry from just being opposed to race-based identity politics by minority groups and thinking the black community needs to get its own act together.
Blacks, on their part, don't like race-based identity politics by whites and think whites need to "check their privilege" and challenge their supposed racist worldviews, so both are approaching the other group from some negative, accusative stance without wanting to literally murder them.
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So you equate humane treatment of other people to self destruction.
Equate? No, you are reading things I haven’t written. To recap, your thread title asks, “What’s the worst that could happen?” You are not asking “What is something bad that will happen?” So, I am answering your question about the WORST thing that COULD happen. That would be tolerance, exhibited in excess, could eventually enable its own demise, which would be the worst thing.

Where's the enemies at the gates here?
France appears to be emerging as a cautionary tale on this front.
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It's always a good day when Thett pops in to comment. Hopefully he'll stay a while this time.