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So, new details have been emerging about Kamala's parents through Candace Owen's and internet sleuths doing some investigating into her family roots.

Turns out I was right from the beginning. 

Both her parents worked for their respective governments.
Both her parents never intended to stay in the US.
Both were foreign nationals at the time of her birth, here on student VISAs.
Both were under the foreign jurisdiction of their respective countries. 
Both maintain political allegiance to their respective foreign home countries.
Neither were permanent legal residents.

As I argued before, the 14th has been clear since the day it passed and was ratified into the Bill of Rights, no child of a diplomat, foreign national, or illegal alien is to be granted US Citizenship.

Kamala Harris is an illegit VP and not qualified to be POTUS. 

There are facts. 
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Low intellect Donald Trump has given credence to a false and racist conspiracy theory about Kamala Harris’ eligibility to be vice president, fueling an online misinformation campaign that parallels the one he used to power his rise into politics.
Asked about the matter at the White House, Trump told reporters he had "heard" rumors that Harris, a Black woman and U.S.-born citizen whose parents were immigrants, does not meet the requirement to serve in the White House. The president said he considered the rumors "very serious."
The conspiracy theory is false. Harris, who was tapped by Joe Biden to serve as his running mate on the Democratic ticket, was born in Oakland, California, and is eligible for both the vice presidency and presidency under the constitutional requirements. The question is not even considered complex, according to constitution lawyers.
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Former President Donald Trump expressed his frustration over a fly that approached his lecturn in a bizarre moment during a rally speech.
Trump was on stage at Prairie du Chien, Wisconsin, making a point about a hat, when he appeared to get distracted by the creature.
“Oh there’s a fly,” the former president said. “I wonder where the fly came from?”
One audience member shouted out "Kamala".
Trump continued: “See, two years ago, I wouldn’t have had a fly up here. You’re changing rapidly. We can’t take it any longer.” It wasn’t clear who or what the president was referring to before he changed the subject.
The internet was quick to react to Trump’s unexpected outburst, with MSNBC host and legal analyst Katie Phang saying “this is not normal.”


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Trump built his political career on questioning a political opponent's legitimacy. He was a high-profile force behind the so-called "birther movement" — the lie that questioned whether President Barack Obama, the nation's first Black president, was eligible to serve. Only after mounting pressure during his 2016 campaign did Trump disavow the claims.
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The conspiracy theory is false. 
At the time it may have appeared that way, but over time and as of late, it is becoming 100% factually accurate as I laid out. 

Since the left/MSM decided to attack Janet Jackson, Candace Owen took it upon herself to defend Jackson by digging into Harris' roots. Owens has uncovered quite a lot of controversy, lies, and details emerged of a scandalous nature. 






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Kamala is a fraud.

Kamala is not a US Citizen.

Period. Fact. Period. 
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Both her parents worked for their respective governments.
so their governments hired them to go to university? What a strange thing to do. The much more likely answer is that Candace owens is a liar and is pushing a stupid conspiracy theory. 

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Prove her wrong then if that's the "likely" answer. 

You cannot. 
You won't. 
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Prove her wrong then if that's the "likely" answer. 
prove what wrong? Her parents were students. That is an objective fact. The rest is just racist bullshit. 

And if you think i'm going to wade through a 45 minute, racist diatribe just to try to figure out what you're talking about, you're kidding yourself. Especially since I know that when I prove it wrong, you'll move the goal posts anyway, just like you did the last time I proved you wrong in this exact discussion. It's why you blocked me. You can't handle being so painfully wrong. 
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so their governments hired them to go to university? What a strange thing to do

It's normal. One of the most notable concerns is with China, which has been accused of using students and researchers in U.S. universities to obtain sensitive information. Programs like the Thousand Talents Plan actively recruit foreign academics and incentivize the transfer of intellectual property to China, often bypassing export controls and violating intellectual property laws(

For example, the FBI's 2019 report, "China: The Risk to Academia," warned that China's government employs a "whole-of-society" approach to advance its technological goals. This includes leveraging Chinese students and scholars studying abroad to gather research and sensitive information, often without disclosing their ties to the Chinese military or government. This has led to several high-profile cases of economic espionage, where Chinese nationals in U.S. universities were found to be involved in attempts to steal or illicitly transfer research back to China(

The U.S. government's response to these risks includes tighter regulations, increased scrutiny of research collaborations, and more enforcement actions. While not every foreign student is involved in espionage, the use of academic channels by foreign governments like China and Russia has raised legitimate concerns about national security
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rove her wrong then if that's the "likely" answer. 
prove what wrong? Her parents were students. That is an objective fact. The rest is just racist bullshit. 
Ignorant leftard libtard copout. There is nothing racist about constitutional law where the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment is concerned.

I already stated as a matter of fact that both parents were here on Student VISAs. Which means when they expire, they return to their respective country. That makes them foreign nationals. And kids birthed by foreign nationals, like diplomats, are NOT entitled US Citizenship. They are all under the jurisdiction of their homeland. Period. Fact. Period. 

And if you think i'm going to wade through a 45 minute, racist diatribe just to try to figure out what you're talking about, you're kidding yourself.
Thanks for admitting you are a closed-minded ignoramus refusing to do personal research by reviewing facts that will ultimately prove you wrong. 

Especially since I know that when I prove it wrong, you'll move the goal posts anyway, just like you did the last time I proved you wrong in this exact discussion. It's why you blocked me. You can't handle being so painfully wrong. 
You cannot prove me wrong, and you know it.

I blocked you for other reasons, and you definitely did not prove me wrong on this subject. 

Take the L and move on. L. 

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Thank you!
Excellent post about China and infiltration of academia in the US. 
Candace has proven deep Communist ties in Kamala's genealogy. 
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The claim that US Vice President Kamala Harris is not eligible to become president has been circulating online following President Joe Biden’s withdrawal from the presidential race and endorsement of Ms Harris. 
But Ms Harris is eligible to run for president, a fact that is not affected by her parents’ citizenship at the time of her birth, as she was born in the US and fulfils other criteria like age and length of residency. 
President Biden ended his campaign for re-election on 21 July and endorsed Ms Harris to succeed him as the Democratic candidate. She has reportedly garnered the support of a majority of Democratic delegates, which is enough to become the party’s nominee.
Some posts claim: “Kamala is NOT a ‘natural born Citizen’ per Art II Sec. 1 par 5 of US Constitution. Both parents were foreign nationals, NOT US citizens when she was born in Oakland, CA. She is missing 1 of 3 legs of the ‘natural born citizen test.’ Kamala can’t be president!” Posts with similar wording previously circulated in 2020. 
Other posts say: “Unless proven with court documents, at the time of Kamala’s birth, her parents were not U.S. citizens. They were foreign students. At the time of her birth, she was the daughter of non-citizens. This makes her an anchor baby. She is not eligible to hold the office of President.” 
Many posts include an image purporting to show Ms Harris’s birth certificate which was shared in 2020 and reportedly obtained from the Alameda County Recorder’s Office. As shown on this document, Ms Harris was born in Oakland, California, in 1964, to parents born in India and Jamaica, but it is not true that this means she is ineligible to be the president. 

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There is nothing racist about constitutional law where the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment is concerned.
when you make up lies about black people not being citizens, that's racist. Why is that confusing?

I already stated as a matter of fact that both parents were here on Student VISAs. Which means when they expire, they return to their respective country. That makes them foreign nationals. And kids birthed by foreign nationals, like diplomats, are NOT entitled US Citizenship. They are all under the jurisdiction of their homeland. Period. Fact. Period. 
completely false. That only applies if they are in the country in service of their government, like when a diplomat is stationed in a foreign country. If they are in the country for some other reason like tourism, school etc, then their children automatically get citizenship. Which is exactly what happened in Harris' case. 

Thanks for admitting you are a closed-minded ignoramus refusing to do personal research by reviewing facts that will ultimately prove you wrong. 
I'm happy to review facts if you provide them. I'm not going to sift through a 45 minute podcast full of racist bullshit. If you want to present evidence, go for it. But i'm not here to do your work for you. 

 you definitely did not prove me wrong on this subject. 
I quoted the exact law that proves you are wrong. I gave you the exact exceptions for birth citizenship. You ignored it and just pretended like you were right for some some reason. I even showed you how the case you specifically cited proved the exact opposite of what you said it did. You ignored that too.

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There is nothing racist about constitutional law where the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment is concerned.
when you make up lies about black people not being citizens, that's racist. Why is that confusing?
Still impotent in proving it is a lie.

Kamala is not black. And she is not a citizen. Both already proven facts. 

I already stated as a matter of fact that both parents were here on Student VISAs. Which means when they expire, they return to their respective country. That makes them foreign nationals. And kids birthed by foreign nationals, like diplomats, are NOT entitled US Citizenship. They are all under the jurisdiction of their homeland. Period. Fact. Period. 
completely false. That only applies if they are in the country in service of their government, like when a diplomat is stationed in a foreign country. If they are in the country for some other reason like tourism, school etc, then their children automatically get citizenship. Which is exactly what happened in Harris' case. 

The children of an ambassador are held to be subjects of the prince whom he represents, although born under the actual protection and in the dominions of a foreign prince. ... Thus the children of enemies, born in a place within the dominions of another sovereign, then occupied by them by conquest, are still aliens.

"The act passed Congress in April, 1866, known as the Civil Rights Bill, gave expression to this opinion. It declared all persons born in the United States, and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, to be citizens of the United States." - pg. 255 Andrews Manual to the Constitution - Revised Edition, Isreal Ward Andrews, D.D., L.L.D, printed 1887

Critics erroneously believe that anyone present in the United States has “subjected” himself “to the jurisdiction” of the United States, which would extend citizenship to the children of tourists, diplomats, and illegal aliens alike.

But that is not what that qualifying phrase means. Its original meaning refers to the political allegiance of an individual and the jurisdiction that a foreign government has over that individual.

The fact that a tourist or illegal alien is subject to our laws and our courts if they violate our laws does not place them within the political “jurisdiction” of the United States as that phrase was defined by the framers of the 14th Amendment.

This amendment’s language was derived from the 1866 Civil Rights Act, which provided that “[a]ll persons born in the United States, and not subject to any foreign power” would be considered citizens.

Sen. Lyman Trumbull, a key figure in the adoption of the 14th Amendment, said that “subject to the jurisdiction” of the U.S. included not owing allegiance to any other country." (emphasis added) Birthright Citizenship: A Fundamental Misunderstanding of the 14th Amendment | The Heritage Foundation


A foreign national is:
  • An individual who is: (1) not a citizen of the United States and (2) not lawfully admitted for permanent residence (as defined in 8 U.S.C. § 1101(a)(20));

Thanks for admitting you are a closed-minded ignoramus refusing to do personal research by reviewing facts that will ultimately prove you wrong. 
I'm happy to review facts if you provide them. I'm not going to sift through a 45 minute podcast full of racist bullshit. If you want to present evidence, go for it. But i'm not here to do your work for you. 
I have already provided numerous facts since post #1 and all you've done is say "nuh huh, all lies"

You're calling an actual black woman a racist, eh? How original. 

The podcast is evidence presented, you're just too chicken sh*t to review it and be proven wrong. 

 you definitely did not prove me wrong on this subject. 
I quoted the exact law that proves you are wrong. I gave you the exact exceptions for birth citizenship. You ignored it and just pretended like you were right for some some reason. I even showed you how the case you specifically cited proved the exact opposite of what you said it did. You ignored that too.
No you did not, and you still have not proven me wrong. Keep dreaming with that wishful thinking. 
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I'm guessing Amber's IQ at 73 like Trump's
Interesting psychological projection.

Nothing you posted discredits any of the actual fact-based truths I've posted since post #1.

At least you tried. 

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HA HA!!! Kamala, err, Scamla has deep JEWISH (white) roots in her family lineage (along with Irish and Indian)!!!!!

Kamala is NOT black. Period. 

Link above is NOT to a video but rather the transcript, breakdown and bullet points covering this podcast. 
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Scamala is a liar, hiding her white Jewish-Irish ancestry, and since Candace has been exposing her bullshit, she doesn't talk about/claim/or act like she is black anymore. 
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when you make up lies about black people not being citizens, that's racist. Why is that confusing?
Still impotent in proving it is a lie.
I've already proven it multiple times. She was born in the US that makes her a citizen, like millions of other americans. The fact that you are choosing to lie about this is super racist. 

Kamala is not black.... Both already proven facts.
Her father is black. Her mother is Indian. She is both Indian and black. How is this confusing for you?


Critics erroneously believe that anyone present in the United States has “subjected” himself “to the jurisdiction” of the United States, which would extend citizenship to the children of tourists, diplomats, and illegal aliens alike.

But that is not what that qualifying phrase means. Its original meaning refers to the political allegiance of an individual and the jurisdiction that a foreign government has over that individual.
you can make that argument to a court if you want. But courts have ruled for 100 years that you are wrong. Until you get that 100 years of judicial rulings overturned, you are wrong. 

I have already provided numerous facts since post #1 and all you've done is say "nuh huh, all lies"
nope. I disproved your nonsense a couple of times now. The most important of which is the fact that she has citizenship. She has the paperwork to prove she is a citizen. Do you think the government issues those to anyone who asks? No, they have to prove they have a right to citizenship. You choose to believe a flawed interpretation of the law. But the courts do not support your chosen interpretation.

You're calling an actual black woman a racist, eh? How original. 
Are you saying you're a black woman? Or do you think i'm calling harris a racist? If it's the 1st, then congratulations, you're a black woman who is racist against black women. that's a special level of shitty. 

The podcast is evidence presented, you're just too chicken sh*t to review it and be proven wrong. 
lol no. A podcast is not evidence. They can provide evidence in a podcast. But if that is the case, then you should be able to provide the evidence here. You have failed to do that. All you've done is give your opinion on how the law should be read. But that isn't evidence, it's opinion. 
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She is both Indian and black. How is this confusing for you?
It's confusing because by that "one drop" standard, everyone is both black and white, oppressed and oppressor at the same time, racist and a victim at the same time.
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It's confusing because by that "one drop" standard, everyone is both black and white, oppressed and oppressor at the same time, racist and a victim at the same time.
when did I, or anyone else, say "one drop"? Her dad is black, her mom is indian. She is both of those things. You are trying to make this more complicated than it is and it's weird, and probably racist. 

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News flash, we are all these things, not just Kamala. 

She wants to be special but she is a mutt breed like 100% of every human alive today. 

If you want to say you are anything because you are an arbitrary part of something, that is by definition the "one drop rule"

Race baiters have gone on for far too long with the junk science that anyone is a pure race anything.
Race baiters have gone on for far too long with the junk science that anyone with a specific percentage of DNA qualifies for protected class status.
Time to end the junk science of racism.
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when you make up lies about black people not being citizens, that's racist. Why is that confusing?
Still impotent in proving it is a lie.
I've already proven it multiple times. She was born in the US that makes her a citizen, like millions of other americans. The fact that you are choosing to lie about this is super racist. 
No, you have not proven it Maybe in your twisted mind of denialism you have, but not here in reality.

The US Constitution's Bill of Rights, 14th Amendment, legislative history on the Citizenship Clause = truth.
Truth =/= a lie
Trith =/= racism

Kamala is not black.... Both already proven facts.
Her father is black. Her mother is Indian. She is both Indian and black. How is this confusing for you?
Her father is not 'black,' he is Indian-Irish-Jewish. Candace Owens has proven this as a fact of her family heritage. She has spoken to family members, obtained photos of his white (Jewish and Irish) ancestors and established a clear family tree proving his is not black. 

In fact, no one, not even Kamala has even discussed her so-called 'blackness' anymore since Candace broke the news. Gee, and I wonder why. 

How is this confusing to YOU!

Oh, wait, you're a denialist who simply cannot handle the truth and who has zero integrity to admit when you are wrong. Got it. 

Critics erroneously believe that anyone present in the United States has “subjected” himself “to the jurisdiction” of the United States, which would extend citizenship to the children of tourists, diplomats, and illegal aliens alike.

But that is not what that qualifying phrase means. Its original meaning refers to the political allegiance of an individual and the jurisdiction that a foreign government has over that individual.
you can make that argument to a court if you want. But courts have ruled for 100 years that you are wrong. Until you get that 100 years of judicial rulings overturned, you are wrong. 

No, the court has not ruled that I am wrong. They misinterpreted the 14th, just as SCOTUS did over Roe v Wade and reversed itself on it 50 years after the fact. And that case you keep referring to has no relevance to the circumstances of Kamala's parent's case other than to prove that my position on the matters is legally accurate, as I have already explained but you continue to deny. 

I have already provided numerous facts since post #1 and all you've done is say "nuh huh, all lies"
nope. I disproved your nonsense a couple of times now. The most important of which is the fact that she has citizenship. She has the paperwork to prove she is a citizen.
Yup. Denialist.

Nope, you disproved nothing of the sort.

You're calling an actual black woman a racist, eh? How original. 
Are you saying you're a black woman? Or do you think i'm calling harris a racist? If it's the 1st, then congratulations, you're a black woman who is racist against black women. that's a special level of shitty. 
JFC! Your lack of attention to detail and follow along in the discussion is wanting. I've mentioned Candace Owens over a dozen times, and in your response(s) you keep making fallacious allegations of racism about her and her investigation proving Kamala a liar, a fraud, not black, and a plagiarist. So, you have been calling Owens a racist. Hence my comment about calling her, an actual black woman, a racist. Comprende! 

The podcast is evidence presented, you're just too chicken sh*t to review it and be proven wrong. 
lol no. A podcast is not evidence. They can provide evidence in a podcast. But if that is the case, then you should be able to provide the evidence here. You have failed to do that. All you've done is give your opinion on how the law should be read. But that isn't evidence, it's opinion. 
Yes, a podcast is evidence when she is bringing the receipts: news clippings, photos, birth records, death records, family tree history, discussions with actual family members and individuals like Judge Joe Brown who knew Harris' parents - personally!

I have linked to the podcasts; you refuse to watch it and see the evidence she gives on chicken bullshit excuses of racism.
I have even linked to her Deep cast page that provides a transcript and breakdown of the podcast for lazy people who make piss poor excuses like you who don't want to watch it so you can read about it. And yet again you refuse to even review that despite asking for the transcript. 

I'll take your continued denialism and lack of integrity herein as a concession.
I'm done replying to such narrow-minded ignorant people like you who lack integrity and honesty.

You may continue throwing rocks in your glass echo chamber. 
Adieu


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She wants to be special but she is a mutt breed like 100% of every human alive today. 
how is it "special" to be the things your parents are? That is literally the norm. 

If you want to say you are anything because you are an arbitrary part of something, that is by definition the "one drop rule"
i never said that. She is half black, half indian. That is not "one drop". That is literally half of who she is. Why is this difficult for you to understand?
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The US Constitution's Bill of Rights, 14th Amendment, legislative history on the Citizenship Clause = truth.
that is something we agree on. However, I agree with the interpretation the US courts have used for the last 100 years. You have a different opinion. 

Her father is not 'black,' he is Indian-Irish-Jewish. Candace Owens has proven this as a fact of her family heritage. 
any sentence that starts with "candace owens has proven" is almost certainly laughably false. Provide evidence of this, or I will disregard it. 

No, the court has not ruled that I am wrong. They misinterpreted the 14th, just as SCOTUS did over Roe v Wade and reversed itself on it 50 years after the fact.
lol you say the court did not rule something, then immediately confirm that the court has ruled that way. You just think they ruled wrong. Do you even read the things you write?

 I've mentioned Candace Owens over a dozen times, and in your response(s) you keep making fallacious allegations of racism about her
oh gotcha. yeah she went SUPER far right and that has lead her to saying all kinds of horrible things. And yes, she is engaging in racist bullshit against a black woman. 

Yes, a podcast is evidence when she is bringing the receipts: news clippings, photos, birth records, death records, family tree history, discussions with actual family members and individuals like Judge Joe Brown who knew Harris' parents - personally!
If these things exist, please provide them. If you cannot, I will ignore this as more bullshit. 

I have linked to the podcasts; you refuse to watch it and see the evidence she gives on chicken bullshit excuses of racism.
I'm not going to do your research for you. This is a debating site. Provide proof of your claims or stop making those claims. 

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I don't even know what a "friends" list on an anonymous debate site would be for. But thank you for calling yourself out for being creepy and looking through my profile. 
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In late September 2024, conspiracy theorist Candace Owens asserted that she had made an incredible discovery: In her 2019 memoir, "The Truths We Hold," U.S. Vice President Kamala Harris published a photo of herself with "a Black-looking grandmother" despite the fact that her grandmother had died, Owens claimed, four years before Harris was born.
"How the hell does a person who is the vice president of the United States pass off a book claiming that these people … are her Black relatives and nobody bats an eyelash or does even a peripheral search to recognize that the woman that she put forth is implausibly her grandmother," Owens said in a YouTube video titled "Breaking News: Kamala Harris LIED About Her Black Grandparents."
This claim is demonstrably false. The evidence Owens used to suggest Harris' grandmother died in 1960 refers to a person born in a different year with a different last name.
Owens, in her coverage of this "scoop," flooded the zone with additional questions about Harris' grandmother, suggesting that documents prove she married a man who was not Harris' grandfather while noting a suspicious lack of documentation about the birth of Harris' father, Stanford economist Donald Harris.
Here, Snopes shows why Owens' claim that Kamala Harris couldn't have met her paternal grandmother is false, explains the origin of that misinformation and adds context to the pundit's innuendo suggesting Donald Harris' birth and or parentage is suspicious. Snopes has contacted Donald Harris, and we will update our article if he provides us with further information.
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That article doesn't have enough repeats of the word "misinformation" and therefore cannot be trusted anymore.

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thank you for the context. I wasn't going to waste even a single second on that since I know Amber doesn't listen to a single thing anyone says that doesn't reinforce their already held beliefs. But it's nice to see the evidence for what I was already confident was the case. IE that Candace owens is full of crap.