Villainous Villains DP1

The idea behind character claiming is giving us an idea of what each player might be capable of doing. For instance, knowing that Austin's character is a Mafia boss might not inherently make Austin evil-aligned, but it might imply that if he is evil, he could be investigated as good regardless (since that's the "Godfather" role type).

By the way, is there a particular reason why you believe this:

refusal to claim seems like a town tell.

Since it's the basis for 2 of your town reads.

Question. 

Everyone seem really interested in figuring out people's roles. since we're all villains, does it really matter?

So Pie has latched on to Mharman pretty hard here. Knowing Pie, this is typical of both his town play and his mafia play, so I can't really make anything of it either way. I'm going to have to reread the discussion, but right now I feel the same way as Cerulean -- this might just be a town v. town fight. I saw one of those happen last game and it ended up losing the town the whole game. 

I don't understand your Owen read. This is Owen's second game and he was mislynched DP1 on his first. You can't exactly base behavior off of that.

This is a lie. Mharman said this in the exact same post:

I want more depth on your reasoning as to why you think we should get his claim. Why is his character strange to you? And what's to stop Wylted from having a good fake claim in this game, where it can be anything that interests him? Do you really think he's so bad at fake claiming that he would fail to come up with a good one here? Are there any additional reasons to get his claim that you have in mind?

So Mharman did know that Wylted had already character claimed at that point and that I was asking for a role claim from Wylted.

But Mharman never said that he doesn’t want to pursue Wylted because he slight town read him.  He said he doesn’t want to pursue Wylted because it will help scum sort out who has the stronger PRs from the weaker ones, which implies that Mharman knew Wylted was town to begin with.

 He was fine lynching his top townread (Owen) last game DP1 just to get information for the next DP, which is fine cause it was last minute ig, but directly contradicts the cautious nature he’s presenting here. He also just blatantly lied about not knowing that Wylted had already claimed.

I think Mharman scumslipped and is not trying to back track (and in the process is lying his ass off). At least help me pressure him for a full claim

I don't understand your Owen read. This is Owen's second game and he was mislynched DP1 on his first. You can't exactly base behavior off of that.

Sorry, I had no internet for a few days.

Dude. It was late at night. My brain wasn't exactly firing on all cylinders. So yeah, I can forget stuff in one paragraph and remember it the next. The paragraph I cited earlier, when read does show I was thinking of the consequences of Wylted outing his character, meaning that my whole logic on not wanting to claim was taken from my normal thought process on getting claims, forgetting that he had claimed. 

Then, when I went to read back your post and so I could ask questions at the end of that post of mine because I'm wondering if you see something in Wylted that I don't, I read all your concerns on him and got reminded of the character claim and asked that question at the end, without thinking about how that would change my reasoning in the first paragraph, because I wasn't think about my own reasoning, because I was tired and not thinking clearly. That's why those two paragraphs are a contradiction, not because I'm "lying my ass off" but because I wasn't able to think clearly about things and am prone to missing details and confusing myself when that happens.

A slight town read is enough of a town read to make me not want a claim. Yes, I am that cautious.

Cautious nature? Dude we're in DP1 and we're all trying to figure this shit out. You've seen me play cautious and conservative before, many times. Even when I was confident Casey was scum two games ago, and Austin was scum last game, I still didn't pressure people to quicklynch. When the rest of town wanted me to hammer Casey in CoC, I still had questions. When Whiteflame said he was hesitant to vote Austin, I said that's fair.

How are you going to say that I'm contradicting my past behavior over a situation, that you yourself say was a different situation (last minute scramble)?

Austin said the same thing of me last game after I posted this. Was that also me backtracking and lying my ass off? No, it was me explaining my behavior after I got confused and made a mistake.

I misread your post when you said he wanted his role claim because I forgot and got confused, and forgot Wylted had claimed. By the time I remembered, I didn't think about how it should change my thought process. This is similar, if not the same to how I got confused on Austin and Savant in last game, as explained in the post I linked above.

Owen ninja'd me by doing exactly what I just accused him of: voting along with another player. I'm townreading Mharman for this and scum reading Owen.

voting along with another player

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