Thoughts on the Trump assassination attempt

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It might be 100.  If there are 20,000,000 AR 15 owners in the US and 100 of them commit a mass shooting, then it's collectivist to take AR 15s away from the 19,999,900 AR 15 owners that didn't murder.
Again, you are either being dishonest or are uninformed 

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It turns out enough actual adults agree with legalizing AR 15s for me to think like a libertarian adult.
Wrong again. Polls show that more than 60% of Americans want AW banned. That included Ronald Reagan. Did you know that? Probably not.

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On one hand, you say this.  On the other hand, you trash the founding fathers for owning slaves.
Um, show me. When and where did I say that. Do you know who the Founding Fathers are I wonder.

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That doesn't mean it should be amended.
The Founding Fathers used logic. They knew they couldn’t write a document that would be applicable for a growing and changing country.

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 If he truly had issues beforehand, how did he buy all those assault weapons?
Lack of background checks.  It is Nevada after all.


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 It might be 100.  If there are 20,000,000 AR 15 owners in the US and 100 of them commit a mass shooting, then it's collectivist to take AR 15s away from the 19,999,900 AR 15 owners that didn't murder.

Again, you are either being dishonest or are uninformed 
What's the correct number then?

It turns out enough actual adults agree with legalizing AR 15s for me to think like a libertarian adult.
Wrong again. Polls show that more than 60% of Americans want AW banned. 
I said enough adults, not the majority want to legalize AR 15s.  I have no problem whatsoever being in the minority on an issue.  I don't follow the herd on issues; maybe as a politician that may make sense; but neither one of us are politicians.  And if the majority was always right on an issue, well the majority of the US population believes Caitlyn Jenner is a man.  I guess I'm contrarian on both of those issues.  You are contrarian on the trans issue; but it goes to show that just because the majority disagree with me, it doesn't mean I assimilate to the majority; it means I may then try and convince people to join my side as would a lot of other people so then AR 15 legalization support is in the majority.  If everyone followed the herd unconditionally, then every issue would have 0% or 100% support and we would be a hive mind.  You may like that on an issue where your opinion is in the majority.  But what happens when you are not in the majority (like you are with whether transwomen are women, the death penalty, etc)?

That included Ronald Reagan. Did you know that? Probably not.
I knew Reagan wanted to ban AR 15s and I didn't agree with him on it.  I also didn't agree when he got this nation deeper in debt; although I did like his immigration rhetoric.  The democrats and republicans aren't my thought leader.

Um, show me. When and where did I say that. Do you know who the Founding Fathers are I wonder.
You are very left wing; your opinions are predictable.

That doesn't mean it should be amended.
The Founding Fathers used logic. They knew they couldn’t write a document that would be applicable for a growing and changing country.
I realize there are times when the constitution should be changed, but I don't believe a federal AR 15 ban should be one of those changes.
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The 20-year-old gunman who reportedly opened fire on Donald Trump took the rifle from his father on the day of the assassination attempt.
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The easy way to eliminate school shootings; airport style security at all of our schools.
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Lack of background checks.  It is Nevada after all.
Exactly. So what you’re saying is the current system needs reform. That’s not what Republicans are saying. They are the problem on getting reform 

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I said enough adults, not the majority want to legalize AR 15s.  
Well that’s not how democracy works

And if the majority was always right on an issue, well the majority of the US population believes Caitlyn Jenner is a man.
That is a poor analogy and it’s untrue.

although I did like his immigration rhetoric.
Did you know Reagan was the last president to offer amnesty to undocumented immigrants in the country?

The democrats and republicans aren't my thought leader.
Name a Libertarian you admire 

You are very left wing; your opinions are predictable.
 very weak response. You are just flailing now

I realize there are times when the constitution should be changed, but I don't believe a federal AR 15 ban should be one of those changes.
We don’t need a constitutional amendment to ban assault weapons. Even Scalia said that. You have no idea what you are talking about.
It’s ok to have opinions but adult citizens should have well thought out opinions on important issues. That’s the only way we can keep our Republic 
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Exactly. So what you’re saying is the current system needs reform. That’s not what Republicans are saying.
I want reform, but I have to be smart about it and can't just throw everything against the wall and hope it sticks.

The background check system should be a background check system where the Nevada shooter did not get a gun and where there was very little collateral damage to prevent the shooter from getting a gun (collateral damage being defined as legally preventing person A from getting a gun if person A will never commit murder with it).  If hypothetically there was a background check system where the Nevada shooter (53 killed I think, although I'm not sure) prevented 100 million harmless people from getting guns, then I would be against it because I value 100 million people's active right to get a gun over 53 lives of strangers.  This is defined as a 100 million:53 ratio.  I am against a 100 million:53 ratio.  But if the ratio is 1000:53, then I'm on board.

My ideal ratio is between 1000:53 and 100 million:53.  If the life of a human stranger is deemed to be priceless, then that leads to some very scary places (like the state can force you to adopt as many starving children as you can afford if it saves at least one child's life (which is true) and human life has infinite value (which is false; and this is why we should not be forced to adopt children if we can afford too)). 

I don't even believe my ratio is linear; I am more comfortable with taking guns away from 10000 people to save 1 life than I am with disarming 100 million people to save 10,000 lives.
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and can't just throw everything against the wall and hope it sticks.
Who is doing that?

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The background check system should be a background check system where the Nevada shooter did not get a gun 
You’re not getting it genius. It’s as if there are too many facts for you to process.

The shooter wasn’t a criminal until he shot those 500+ people from a hotel window. He wasn’t crazy when he bought all those guns.
The background check wouldn’t have helped this particular incident. A ban on Ar-15s would have dramatically reduced the carnage.

Now the idiots at the Supreme Court a.k.a. the conservatives, have overturned Trumps ban on bump stocks that he did after the massacre.

Everything you say is incorrect. 100 million Americans do not own AR-15 style rifles.

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“As of September 2023, there are an estimated 20 million AR-15s in the hands of civilians in the United States. The AR-15 was originally designed for the US military, but has become a popular weapon among civilians and a symbol of gun rights. The AR-15's silhouette is often seen on truck windows, US flags, and in ads about gun laws”

If you google it, there are an estimated 20 million AR-15s in private hands. And most gun nuts own more than one so we are talking maybe 10 million Americans own an AR-15 out of 330 million.

Assault weapons in general, any firearm with high power, high capacity and semiautomatic is another story.

“And what's remarkable is that if you go back just to 1994, there were only 400,000 in the country at that time," said Zusha Elison, co-author of the book "American Gun: The True Story of the AR-15."

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Well that’s not how democracy works
Democracy works by people voting.  If Trump wins in 2024, then even though gun control is a popular issue, it's not popular enough to get Trump to lose.  Lets say you have 8 people, you are ordering a pizza for everyone and are deciding whether or not garlic should go on the pizza.  Since we live in a society, you can't customize the pizza where the people with garlic can have garlic and vice versa; it has to be one size fits all.  It would be nice if you could; but whatever politician or pizza we have is going to be for everyone in your party.  Everyone must eat the Pizza just like how if Biden wins, then everyone (should) accept Biden as their POTUS.

The question: Should there be garlic on the pizza?  7 people vote yes, one person votes no, and the one person who votes no is allergic to garlic; like, they get extremely sick if they eat it.  In a democratic election; there would be garlic on the pizza; the ignorant majority enjoys their garlic and the person allergic to it gets extremely sick.  But obviously garlic should not go on that pizza.

Now, had the 7 people known one of the voters was allergic to garlic, then I imagine all of them would have switched their vote.  But they are ignorant of the concerns of the person allergic to garlic, so they accidentally cause massive suffering to the person with the allergy.  This is why minority rights are important (whether ethnic or ideological).

But with the gun control, I imagine out of the US population that votes for gun control, probably 75% are pretty ignorant on how little gun control talking points make sense.  I could get into a whole essay on it, and if we were in person, I'd probably talk about why AR 15s should be legal; but so much gets lost with social media.

I think though the support for banning AR 15s used to be a lot higher and as more and more people found out about that one person allergic to garlic, they have switched their vote over time.

That is a poor analogy and it’s untrue.
Americans’ Complex Views on Gender Identity and Transgender Issues | Pew Research Center says 60% of the US population believes whether a person is a man/woman is determined by sex at birth and can't be changed.

But why is the analogy poor?

Did you know Reagan was the last president to offer amnesty to undocumented immigrants in the country?
Yes, and he should get credit.

Name a Libertarian you admire 
Dan Bherman.  Some things he says I don't agree with, but I like his style.  Austin Petersen is high up on the list.

It’s ok to have opinions but adult citizens should have well thought out opinions on important issues. That’s the only way we can keep our Republic 
I try and have my opinions be well thought out, but that means sometimes I won't agree with what you say.
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The easy way to eliminate school shootings; airport style security at all of our schools.
That’s dumb and it’s not easy. 

Couldn’t a shooter just shoot the kids outside the school?

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If Trump wins in 2024, then even though gun control is a popular issue, it's not popular enough to get Trump to lose.  
There are numerous flaws and shortcomings with Democracy. Starting with the electoral college, the power of incumbency, money influencing politics, gutless careerism where politicians can keep there job if they don’t do anything, gerrymandering, bribery, voter apathy, low information voters, on and on.

Democracy is terrible except when it’s compared to everything else.