Votes:
Lunatic (2/5): Savant, Owen
Savant (1/5): Lunatic
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@whiteflame
@AustinL0926
@WyIted
Let's assume Austin is town for now and lynch Luna. If there are any investigative roles, they should check Austin tonight, since more than one investigative role is kind of unlikely. If no investigative roles claim tomorrow, then we can continue to assume Austin is town.
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@Savant
If I vote for you will I be banned from the after life?
Actually, I think your only a human, merely pretending to be a space lizard that is pretending to be a human.
My god just died.
VTL Savant
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@Lunatic
But would he come up with the similar names idea in 2 minutes? I doubt it.
Please be Savant because if it isn't Ill look very bad.
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@whiteflame
@AustinL0926
@WyIted
I'm pretty confident that either Luna is scum or that a town investigative role will catch Austin tonight. Help me lynch Luna, and you can assume I'm scum tomorrow if he flips innocent. I really don't want to get tunnel vision, but I just don't see my read on Luna changing this day phase.
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@Owen_T
For future reference, please be sure to Unvote before changing your vote to someone else if your vote is currently on someone.
Votes:
Savant (2/5): Lunatic, Owen
Lunatic (1/5): Savant
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@Owen_T
Help me lynch Luna, and if it's not him, you can assume I'm scum tomorrow if no investigative role claims they caught Austin.
Or we could just do the exact same thing with you first.
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@Lunatic
To be completely honest idk, but I would lean no. I think if savant is scum he is likely another role and just trying to buy an extra day phase. Or he is a role that works similarly to magistrate and thinks it would pass off looking like a magistrate.And I also said I’m open to the possibility that we were underestimating Wylted and he could be the scum as well. I was town leaning savant before Austin verifies that this wasn’t a gambit so I really don’t want to pretend like I have all the answers here, I just know I’m town.
To be honest, Pie strikes me as the kind of co-mod that would go "yup that's not mafia/town sided, we are good to go" so any mod psyche on Pie will probably miss the mark.
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@Owen_T
Yes, but how am I more scummy than Luna? Luna tried to avoid being in the POE by basically any means necessary and refuses to give any information. Between me and Luna, it just makes more sense to lynch him first.
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@Savant
I'm pretty confident that either Luna is scum or that a town investigative role will catch Austin tonight. Help me lynch Luna, and you can assume I'm scum tomorrow if he flips innocent. I really don't want to get tunnel vision, but I just don't see my read on Luna changing this day phase.
There’s one major flaw with this logic that you are not seeing. Don’t make me spell it out for you.
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@Savant
But would he come up with the similar names idea in 2 minutes? I doubt it.
Everyone doubts it which is precisely why it would be a genius move for him.
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@Lunatic
I don't think it's WyIted, and I think that zero investigative roles are unlikely. Lynching you is the most logical play from my perspective.
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@Lunatic
If he came up with it, I agree he would do it. But the odds of him even thinking of it in those 2 minutes are pretty low. I sure didn't. It being a genius move doesn't make it more likely the idea would occur to him.
And he'd have to use one of his asks to see if Mia is in the game, or he'd have to be Mia and realize there are two characters with similar names. All in the span of 2 minutes.
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@Savant
I don't think it's WyIted, and I think that zero investigative roles are unlikely. Lynching you is the most logical play from my perspective.
Your close, but still missing the point I am making.
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@Lunatic
Make the point then. Clearly I'm missing it.
And he'd have to use one of his asks to see if Mia is in the game, or he'd have to be Mia and realize there are two characters with similar names. All in the span of 2 minutes.
Or he asked about mia being in the game beforehand....
Or he was still scum and thought austin was claiming mia, and was like "wtf I asked the mod and mod said she was in the game" and CC'ed austin knowing his claim was safe, then mistakenly still realized that he wasn't claiming mia. He could have made the same slip and still been scum.
I don't really want to keep arguing with you about why he could be scum. I am not gonna opt for lynching him here regardless. I am merely pointing this out in the case that both you and me flip town, and town angry lynches austin, austin flips town, and everyone just goes "WTF wylted should have been confirmed town".
No, really never was. And it would still have been town's mistake for just disregarding him as confirmed. That's all.
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@Savant
Make the point then. Clearly I'm missing it.
No.
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@Owen_T
Or we could just do the exact same thing with you first.
Getting these kind of vibes lol
I feel like lunatic and savant are both town. They both are giving me town vibes. The only thing making me think one is scum is merely austin's claim which he did not elaborate on how he got that claim.
For example what if his role is not as simple as, "here are 3 town names, one is scum" .
One thing that stands out is Austin remembering off the top of his head that I claimed day cop, and survived way too long after the lynch flipped inno. I wonder if he is trying to one up me here.
behaviorally savant and lunatic both feel towny.
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@WyIted
Bro I also feel like something isn't right here. Like literally the only reason my vote is on savant right now is because of this result madness.
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@Lunatic
feedback on it being on the top of austin's head that I claimed daycop and then he claims day dreamer as a spin off of that, which to be fair it does one up me because a day dreamer could have gotten me 2 mislynches.
Maybe his goal is not so much to win as to make an awesome move and be considered a hero. Back when I played poker for a living most of my income came from guys who cared more about looking like heros, by making gutsy calls and "hero folds". These guys were more interested in their ego than making long term winning plays. Austin just came from a very competitive chess tournament and likely has the competitive juices flowing and the ego present from being in a competitive environment
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@Lunatic
Him assuming my CC came from town is odd also. I know he said some wifom logic on why it was likely coming from town, but scum could have also made a bullshit CC, especially if my stupid daycop move was on the top of his head. He could think I as scum would be confident in an aggressive play where I CC and then try to survive, but it never crossed his mind.
Now I want to know. How pissed would he be as scum if I as town faked a CC, which is what he had to think from his perspective and still caught scum.
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@Savant
Try to forget about austins results for a bit and do some behavioral analysis
If he ended up getting 2 mislynches out of it, it puts scum in a great spot and he could potentially get 3 mislynches from it
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@Casey_Risk
This is unacceptable
Its not the proper time for this he could ask the question in this thread or wait for the game to be done.
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@Earth
@whiteflame
I'd like your input on this. Luna's annoyance feels genuine to me, and if it is, I think it's more likely to come from town. But I know I'm town, and so it may be the case that Austin is lying about his role. I can't help but remember that he claimed his three results after Luna had accused WyIted.
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@JoeBob
Do you see how me and lunatic and savant are asking questions, trying to understand why people are doing certain behaviors?
This is how you scum hunt. Just try to see if somebody's words match their behaviors.
I can go into more detail perhaps at another point with lynch train analysis, scum tells, after somebody flips scum, see if their interactions feel awkward with somebody else. Is somebedy trying to avoid the dp but are online? Do they have a good reason for it? If not is it because they are dicks not trying or is it because they are scum trying to fly under everyone's radar?
just do what you do in real life to catch liars