e why shoot Earth over Pie? Earth backed off last second—the only logical explanation for this is that he thought Wylted was scum and Pie was town, which is why he vetoed the shot. There is no other explanation. If there is, please let me know.
It should also be noted it looked like casey was getting lynched without pie claiming to have watched the attempted NK. As town if i watched somebody commit an NK and they looked like they were getting lynched, I would just keep it to myself. It wasn't outted to secure a lynch but get town confirmation
e why shoot Earth over Pie? Earth backed off last second—the only logical explanation for this is that he thought Wylted was scum and Pie was town, which is why he vetoed the shot. There is no other explanation. If there is, please let me know.no, I just don't care what order my POE's get lynched or killed in
He is pretty much using that argument already with the earth vig though. If it was just as scummy either way, why not just eliminate the bigger threat?One is objectively more scummy than the other. Would Wylted be able to convince Barney to vote for Earth after Wylted shot you? Or would he be able to convince you to vote me, which is what he’s doing right now?
By vigging me, he would have left earth alive in MYLO. Earth has been pretty open about wanting you dead, and even said he was going to vig you at the start of last day phase. In his POV he would have a way easier time getting a mislynch on you as scum by leaving earth alive here.But you’re forgetting that Earth changed his mind per Wylted’s own words. Why would scum Earth not shoot Pie? Wylted didn’t even thing about this.
Then he would 100% get lynched. Didn’t we have a conversation that involved this exact question. We did So why didn’t he shoot you? He’d be scumread instantly. Why shoot the only remaining people? He wouldn’t be scumread.
How can he use a cop power if he’s lynched.
He said that at the end of the DP, if there are any votes on him, he can choose to investigate them. He didn’t do that DP1 cause of lynchproof. Fine. But he didn’t do it DP2 or DP3 either. Why?
Your excuse for not outing your role is basically "my actions are my actions" essentially "it is what it is".I knew I should’ve kept my mouth shut cause of bullshit like this.
Then why would I claim it. Honesty going to get me lynched and dishonesty going to win the game for Wylted.
I don’t know why Austin added the role. Maybe scum has some role that counterbalances. I townread you cause your investigative roles are far more widespread. I scumread Wylted for lying about his role since the beginning of the day.
1. It makes no conceivable sense for wylted to not have vigged me over earth. If he knew he was going into lylo and only needed one more mislynch, earth would have helped him lynch pie. I was deadset that wylted was scum last day phase. Wylted had scum read me until right towards the end when pie convinced him I was town. Wylted could have just as easily killed me and justified the kill, and then used earth to get an easy mislynch on pie, if he was scum and pie was town. Where on the other hand pie would have been much more likely to keep me alive to kill wylted, based on where I was at at the end of the day phase.
2. Pie's passive ability makes no sense to me being town. It essentially functions like my role, but it just adds a bunch of extra information to it. Why does town need all that information? Why did pie hide that part of his role until dp4? When I asked him his answer was basically "I did what I did" or to downplay it, but it really doesn't make sense imo to hide that part of his role. It's not like it increases his threat to scum severely, he already had basically used an ability that was suppose to "town confirm" him with his magistrate ability. Which I am now questioning is a magistrate. It doesn't publicly announce that the person using it is town, it could just as easily been used to prevent scum from being mislynched. Its a role that functions as a way to give mafia some role confirmation though, and I don't think it's actual title is magistrate.
What? Okay let’s say Wylted is town. Then he is telling the truth about Earth not wanting to shoot me right? In that case why shoot Earth over Pie? Earth backed off last second—the only logical explanation for this is that he thought Wylted was scum and Pie was town, which is why he vetoed the shot. There is no other explanation. If there is, please let me know.
Me and you were both like deadset he was the last scum with casey. There's no universe scum wylted leaves me alive, when he could have easily justified killing me and tried to use earth to mislynch you. Earth, who we know, already wanted to vig you because he had publicly stated that he would.He can’t justify killing you if Pie and Barney already know you’re town. But if he kills Earth, well then that leaves the door open to Pie being scum.
Are you purposefully misunderstanding wylteds role? Or do you just not actually understand he needs to be lynched in order to sensor someone on his lynch?I’m describing Wylted’s role as he said. He never said he had to be lynched to used it. He just said there have to be votes on him at the end of the DP to use it. Even then, what utility does a sensor provide if Wylted isn’t even say his results after death.
Let’s say Wylted is town. Would Wylted not think it’s odd that if Earth is scum, not agreeing to Vig shot Pie makes no sense? Cause if he does Vig Pie, scum Earth would have an easy lynch in Wylted. That thought didn’t even cross his mind.Let’s say Wylted is scum. When Earth backs off on wanting to shoot me, that indicates to Wylted that Earth doesn’t scumread Pie, so getting Earth to lynch Pie will be harder next DP. That’s at the best. At the worst, the thinking is that Earth doesnt scumread Pie and scumreads me.
Cause Earth no long scumread me, which is why Earth backed out.
I can’t use the Magistrate on myself, and with Casey’s role, I physically cannot target him at night. The only reason #2 exists is because I told the truth. Remember that one of Austin’s friends thought it was town sided. Other thought it was scum sided. You also know that I don’t like claiming my role. Even when I claimed magistrate, I claimed just that, not the Watcher. This whole argument wouldn’t even exist if I didn’t say anything, which is why I’m so annoyed when there are objective truths with Wylted’s play. He’s not even trying to argue that I’m scum, just that I’m scum, period. I know that you and Barney are town. Wylted was sussing you all of yesterday.
Why would he as scum try convince barney to lynch earth over you? If wylted is scum, he 100% uses earth to lynch you. Bringing me into the day phase was a wild card. Your argument that he was able to convince me, is based on the contingency that you think Wylted is big brained enough to hope that I would buy into night kill analysis so much that it changed my opinion on him being scum last day phase. You already indicated you don't think that highly of wylteds scum play for one. For two, leaving me alive in hopes that I would change my mind is a way bigger gamble than even you took with bussing casey assuming you are scum. I just don't see a world in which I am alive if wylted is scum.
Changed his mind about vigging you, not that you weren't scum.
That was probably only contingent on the fact casey flipped scum. I don't think earth was considering the possibility of a bus. That said, wylted still would have had a better time of convincing earth than me in LYLO, he even had an extra avenue of communication to allow him to do that. The fact that he paranoia shot him almost screams townie mistrust.
Look at the end of every day phase. None of the lynch trains have him as a wagon, so how could he have used his role? I'll agree with you that he probably should have advocated someone he suspects vote for him, but he would have had to give up his role for that to make any sense. He could have played the role better for sure.
It’s not bullshit though. I might have understood it better if you had come out with it. It seems like you only claimed this as a nail in the coffin argument against wylted, and hoped no one would question it.
And you already admitted that you thought it would cause an argument with me and you. But if you thought it would, then that means you see the similarity between the roles enough that it should have made you suspect me.
So your answers leave me with two conclusions:Conclusion 1: You knew I was town, and didn't want to get into with me because it would make one or the other of us look bad. If you knew I am town, it’s because I am not in your scum pm with you. And the reason you didn't mention it was because you wanted me alive to use towards a mislynch.
Conclusion 2: The role is either fake (claimed for extra ammo), or is some variation of an actual scum information role which also makes sense considering town had two vigilante abilities at their disposal.Simply not having an answer for why you would hide this doesn't do you any favors.
I think it just shows that earth was convinced by the bus and caseys flip. Town players tend to be pretty blind to busses. It shows that earth wasn't confident enough to kill you, that's all. Doesn't show that he wanted to kill wylted instead though, as you are implying.
OKay i'll give you that you couldn't use your role on casey, unless austin made scum have some wierd bypass for the role. As far as whether you could use it on yourself, all I have is your word on that, and as scum of course you would say that. At best it's a null thing
To be completely fair here, I can see a world where you are town, and everything you've done makes sense as town. And I am worried about getting tunnel vision here. I could be underestimating wylted severely. I think I'll back off for a while and consider things, and I do want to see what barney's thoughts are and I don't really want them to be influenced by my own confirmation bias.
You’re not understanding. If Wylted kills you and Moozer, then who remains? Pie, Earth, Wylted, Barney. Barney townreads Pie, Pie townreads Barney. Earth townread Pie, which is the only explanation for not killing me. Only person scum Wylted can lynch is Earth, when me, Barney, and you agree that Wylted was scummier than Earth. Thats why he couldn’t kill you is the point I’m trying to make.
But why would he do that if he is scum from Wylted’s POV? Why not allow the shot on Pie to go through and then lynch Wylted with Luna, Earth, Barney, Wylted alive?
It’s not paranoia, it’s a scum shot. Town Wylted has no reason to shoot Earth after he back out of the shot on Pie.
Wym give up his role? He could’ve done it DP3 but he didn’t. He could’ve asked to have a couple of votes put on him without even mentioning the sensor.
There’s similarity, but it’s different. Even if I did suspect you, saying that would’ve got me lynched DP2 cause you were lynchproof anyways, so I let it go cause I wanted to live, especially after you pulled the “wtf Pie is gearing up to mislynch Lunatic”.
I considered the possibility that I have roles that are similar to two other townies for all of DP2 because it would in effect town confirm 2 players, but of course it’s not true.
I could’ve hidden it from you and Barney, but I came clean. Wylted is making excuses.
That’s fair, but I could’ve confirmed myself by making myself unlynchable especially after Savant publically advocated lynching me if he flipped town. Would’ve been the safer move for me.
Also consider this: if I could self target, I’d be lynchproof, not Magistrate and would CC Wylted the very next day.
This is pre-mylo logic, and either way, he would have known he would have had to go into MYLO with one of me or barney. It just seems weird he would go into mylo with both of town reading you, just to kill earth who would be the only other potential mislynch here besides you, who would have been less likely to be mischopped by your own logic.
Because the shot on pie wasn't going through, according to wylted's information from the PM. It indicates that earth at least semi bought into the logic that you were town based on caseys flip. Also again, I am not entirely sure he could have vigged anyway as I pointed out already. He needed the majority of his mason pm to accomplish that, and if wylted suspected him and moozer was the night kill (would his vote have even counted?) then he couldn't reach a majority decision.
Unless he actually thought earth was scum, which he probably did at this point. We weren't at MYLO at this point, so wylted had every reason to believe you were town prior to entering the day phase. He thought the last scum was between me and earth and you convinced him I was town, so logically he went after earth believing POE made him the last scum. You wouldn't have been a suspect at this point.
Like I said, I agree he could have played the role better. But random votes wouldn't really help him anyway, he would need votes of people he suspects, or POE people. He would have needed like me and earth on his wagon for example for it to be worth anything. Casey was dead to rights, and you were looking like confirmed town, moozer was innocent, and barney is objectively town read.
I said that EOD1, before I claimed my role....
I am misunderstanding something, this doesnt make sense to me.
I mean he's come just as clean as you have.
The counter wifom argument to this, is that it would have made you look scummier. When no one fessed up to the magistrate, it would have been obvious that either you did it, or scum did it. In which case, it wouldn't have really made you look better at all.
It would be a 1x thing. But yeah your and wylteds roles do feel like they play opposites, which I guess is already known at this point. One of you or wylted is scum. I can see one of your roles existing as town and the other as scum.
Let’s say Wylted is town. Would Wylted not think it’s odd that if Earth is scum, not agreeing to Vig shot Pie makes no sense? Cause if he does Vig Pie, scum Earth would have an easy lynch in Wylted. That thought didn’t even cross his mind.
By poe if scum earth kills pie than the remaining scum is betweenEarth and wyltedWhy do you think that is preferable than maximizing the odds of a mistake by MAKING POEEARTH WYLTED PIE
What is with this new scum meta of fighting like this and just delaying the game. It was annoying when Austin did it last game also. It honestly needs to stop. I liked the good old fashioned, one mega post to defend yourself on the off chance somebody is dumb enough to believe you and quietly walking away.
There is also no need to tag me in posts. Neither one of us are going to add anything, and nothing either of us say is going to effect the final decision. It is just begging at this point. I am willing to make a pact with you.You place your vote on me and both of us just quit contributing to the game unless we are asked a direct question from Barney or Lunatic
Luna, I know you’re afraid of losing to me. But for once, take your ego out of it and just use the logic.
lmao if I had my ego in this I would have voted you already. I am patiently waiting for barney at the moment.
Could it really just be as simple as it being wylted who just thought earth would be a bigger threat than me in the endgame?
It’s just annoying that you’re willing to forgive Wylted’s behavior, especially with the unused cop but then scumread me for it
