Neither Biden nor Trump is ideal, but Biden is preferable to Trump

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@SocraticGregarian96
Your comparison of interracial marriage doesn’t work because it doesn't affect anybody, abortion does: it kills a baby. Therefore you can’t take a libretarian approach to it.
This is why I want a federal ban at conception.  It's unrealistic, but it's honest.  I also want a culture of vasectomies to be the norm.

The jury actually was corrupt (and was influenced by Judge Merchan) because he told them ‘that they don’t have to name the crime they are convicting trump of.’ 
If this is the case, then the jury would have found Trump, "not guilty" because the jury got approved by lawyers from both sides.

does “stand down and stand by” sound anything like “storm the capitol, end free and fair elections, and make me a dictator.”
It does; like unironically.

You’re twisting the truth. Biden lost about 13 million jobs and created about 12 million. Gas and Homes also both went up about 30% under Biden. Anyways, Trump lost about 3 million jobs and created about 3.75 million, a 25% surplus. Not to mention that trump had to navigate through the peak of covid.
I'm looking at the unemployment rate; it did go down more under Trump than it did Biden (Civilian unemployment rate (bls.gov)) (trying to ignore the COVID spike).  So Trump deserves credit here.  The unemployment rate is pretty low still; I remember when it was like 6%.  It's a .5% increase in the unemployment rate vs a porn ban.

Me too. And does it look like Biden is doing anything to help it? no. Instead he’s funding billions in ukraine aid (which trump says he will force ukraine to pay back if he’s elected.) He’s giving out free healthcare to illegal aliens, and he’s giving iran money to build terror tunnels. Israel too but they are allies and he’s not giving them as much. Trump is an amazing example of being pro-Israel and putting America first, i.e. “anyone who does business with Iran can’t do business with the U.S.
Biden is bad for the debt, but so was Trump.  Wanting to fund Israel is not putting America first.

But Israel is our ally
The left says the same thing about Ukraine.

Consistent America first ethic requires us to not fund Ukraine IOR (Inclusive Or) Israel.

The Federal Reserve merely prints money. The president controls it — How come there wasn’t inflation under Trump?
The federal reserve controls inflation.  But I heard it's because most of the federal board members during Trump's time in office were not appointed by Trump.  A federal reserve position is 14 years long and there are 7 members; one term starts every 2 years.  So currently, out of the 7 board members; 1 is from Biden; 2 are from Trump; 2 are from Obama, and 2 are from Bush.  It's not like all 7 board members are there because of Biden, although inflation should be lower; I agree with that.

Haven’t you read the constitution? A nation without borders is not a nation at all!
I've read the constitution and there is nothing in the constitution that prohibits open borders.  Plenty of nations have open borders and they are still nations (all the EU nations with one another; Ireland and the UK, Nepal and India).  You can have a border while that border is an open border.  I don't see the issue with that.

First of all, they are not immigrants. An immigrant refers to a person who came here legally and made something of themselves. not the illegal aliens who come here to pillage, rape, abuse, steal, kill, etc. (Jocelyn Nungaray, Rachel Morin, Laken Riley. Look them up.)
There are 11 million undocumented immigrants in the US.  Surely the vast majority of them are not murdering, raping, etc.

Second of all, I agree that anyone who does one of the above acts should be killed, but under Biden, crime is rampant and completely unenforced.
The death penalty is currently a states issue; although I think the penalty for murder and rape should be death nationwide.  Theft should be community service and if they run off, then their sentence gets increased and they get whipped 5-10x.

The murder rate went up under both POTUS'es (more with Biden, but it could just be a post COVID world so that made people less mentally healthy); the rape rate skyrocketed under Trump; not sure about Biden.  The overall crime rate fell under Trump; not sure about Biden.  The results are mixed.

Based on most of what you have said, you share a lot of trump’s policies. For example, you mentioned being a “high slope” guy. Meaning you don’t wanna prosecute petty crimes but you do for the major crimes. That’s more aligned with trump than Biden.
Trump wants to prosecute harmless undocumented immigrants; this is not high slope.  He didn't legalize weed (neither did Biden); neither of these is high slope.  Neither Trump nor Biden instituted a high slope ideology for murder and rape.  I think a big reason why Biden is actually tough on the border is to try and appeal to the MAGA base; if Trump didn't run, then we would be more high slope on undocumented immigration.

1. He is Senile, takes crack (so does his son btw) and can’t raise his kids properly (as I just mentioned)
2. Economy, Inflation, Border (all the important stuff)
3. His weak foreign policy which not only negatively impacts the world geopolitically, but also here at home (e.g. reason 2)
4. He also puts ukraine, taiwan, illegal aliens and even israel before America and american citizens.
5. He is a puppet for the Democratic Socialists. He is 81. He falls down stairs and off bikes. 
1. It is unknown as to whether or not Joe Biden does crack.  His son does crack, but I don't like the idea of getting angry at the parents just because the kid is a fuck up.  Like Adam Lanza did a mass murder spree at Sandy Hook.  Nobody got upset at his dad for the shooting.
2. Biden and Trump have both been bad for the economy; the federal reserve is to blame for inflation; and I don't like how Biden is handling the border (deportations) but it's not like Trump would be much better.
3. Define, "weak foreign policy"
4. Biden and Trump both put some foreign group before Americans; Biden does it with Ukraine and Israel; Trump does it with Israel.
5. Democratic socialists don't like Biden; he's not their puppet.  FDR was in a wheelchair; Biden is running to be a president; not a professional basketball player; physical fitness isn't too important; we've had fat presidents before.
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As the late, great mark twain said “it’s hard to argue with a smart person, it’s impossible with an idiot.” 

If you’re naive enough to think that Biden is doing well, then that’s your problem.
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As the late, great mark twain said “it’s hard to argue with a smart person, it’s impossible with an idiot.” 
I would say though I'm not being an idiot.  An idiot can't defend why they love/hate Trump, they would accuse him of being a racist when they can't back it up (or they would claim he's the greatest POTUS ever without backing it up).  I'm doing none of that.  Any claim I make about Trump I can back up.

If you’re naive enough to think that Biden is doing well, then that’s your problem.
My argument is not that Biden is doing well; it's that he is the lesser of 2 evils with him v Trump.
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Putin has publicly said he prefers U.S. President Joe Biden to his predecessor and aspiring successor Donald Trump, a remark widely interpreted to mean exactly the opposite, as the former KGB man hopes his notoriety will boost the Republican mogul.
Ha! Precisely how the Russian leader wants US voters to interpret his remarks! Or is it the other way around in reverse?

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@SocraticGregarian96
Perhaps I should use your own quote on you,

"Do you have facts to back up any of these examples?"

So here are multiple examples:
I didn’t ask for multiple examples, I asked for one, because I’m not about to sit here digging through an entire list of BS just to be told that the one I didn’t respond to or missed something on proves I’m wrong. I’ll just address your first point:

Instead of becoming broke and relying on oil from Iran, Biden should have drilled the f’ing coal mines
This is just a lie like pretty much everything else you’ve had to say. US oil production is up last year more than ever before and the gap between US oil production vs Russia vs Saudi Arabia has only grown under Biden. Try again.

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Name three reasons why you like Biden and three reasons why you dislike Trump.
 I’ll start with Trump.

1. He’s a narcissistic, childish, vile, petty, woefully ignorant, pathological lying conspiracy theorist.
2. He’s the world biggest crybaby. Nothing is ever his fault, he’s always treated so unfairly, he’s always the victim.
3. He’s an existential threat to democracy and the rule of law.

Things I like about Biden.
1. He’s a normal human being
2. He understands how government works
3. He values democracy

1. His economy (more jobs, price of groceries, market rate, etc.)
2. Less inflation (as noted above)
3. NO wars, whereas Biden created THREE wars
4. His Border
5. His intolerance for crime
1. There was nothing special about Trump’s handling of the economy. The economy had already been growing for seven straight years, all he did was ride Obama’s wave. In fact there were more jobs created in the last 3 years under Obama than the first 3 years under Trump.

2. Comparing Biden’s inflation to Trump’s is brazenly dishonest. Inflation is a worldwide phenomenon mostly due to the aftermath of Covid.

3. Correlation is not causation. It’s hilarious how you guys blame Joe Biden because Vladimir Putin decided to invade Ukraine. You do know the president of the US =/= the king of planet earth right?

4. I’ll give you my thoughts on Biden’s handling of the border after  you acknowledge that Trump is single-handedly responsible for stopping a bipartisan border deal that fixes many of of our problems at the border all just that he could use it as a campaign issue (which you are playing right into)

5. Silly and irrelevant
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Sir, I have faith you will find your way back to your brain. 

" He values democracy"
America is a constitutional republic. In other words, he hates the constitution and he hates America and what we stand for.

You didn’t give any reasons that you dislike trump as POTUS, or why you like biden as POTUS; you just insulted trump and praised biden, not what they each accomplished. 

Was your quality of life better under Trump or Biden?
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"My argument is not that Biden is doing well; it's that he is the lesser of 2 evils with him v Trump."
I agree they both kind of suck. But trump is better because my quality of life was better when he was POTUS.

Still, though, I would not vote for a lesser of two evils, so I vote for neither. I could not vote for I guy who I still think is evil, even if it’s the lesser.
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Still, though, I would not vote for a lesser of two evils, so I vote for neither. I could not vote for I guy who I still think is evil, even if it’s the lesser.
If Project 2025 did not contain a porn ban IOR called for making Trump a dictator, then I would vote 3rd party as well.  But this is not reality.
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Once again, trump isn’t a dictator. If he was, we’d have WW3 already. Also, I’d rather have porn banned than tiktok.
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@SocraticGregarian96
America is a constitutional republic. In other words, he hates the constitution and he hates America and what we stand for.
Since when did “it’s only legitimate if my candidate wins” become “what America stands for”?

You didn’t give any reasons that you dislike trump as POTUS, or why you like biden as POTUS; you just insulted trump and praised biden, not what they each accomplished.
I gave you plenty of reasons why I dislike Trump. I prefer that my president act like an adult. I prefer that my president knows something about the major decisions he is tasked with deciding upon for all of us. I prefer that my president care about not only respecting the will of the voters, but recognizes his place in protecting that right of all of us to have a voice in self governance. If you think pointing these things out are just insults, perhaps you should look at the person you’re advocating for and ask why such simple and undeniable facts about him register to you as insults.

And no, I didn’t praise Biden. Calling him a normal human being is not praise. Understanding how government works is not praise. Valuing democracy (please stop with your semantic BS) is not praise. These are all bare minimums that every president should meet to even be considered a viable candidate.

I know you want to talk about policy but in this context when the choice is between these two individuals, that conversation is kind of pointless. If you are willing to overlook the fact that this man incited an attack on the US Capitol and is now promising to pardon the attackers, we’re way past talking about tax policy or foreign aid. No sane country would even consider such an absurd proposition.

Was your quality of life better under Trump or Biden?
Apples to oranges.

First of all, if you’re asking me this question honestly, then you’re including 2020 when the economy was cratering, businesses were shutting down left and right, I couldn’t find a role of toilet paper, hospital emergency rooms were filled, and freezer trucks were suddenly in demand because they were needed to store dead bodies since the morgues were all full. Well in that case my quality of life was way better under Biden.

But most Trump supporters seem to have amnesia about that. The logic is that 2020 for Trump doesn’t count because that wasn’t his fault, but 2021 and the years afterward spent cleaning up Covid’s mess is absolutely Biden’s fault, which is of course brazen hypocrisy.

So with all that said, perhaps you can clarify why you’re asking.
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But trump is better because my quality of life was better when he was POTUS.
Correlation =/= Causation 

All Trump did was ride Obama’s wave. Nothing was better because of him, he just happened to be the beneficiary of a what would have been great years under any president.
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Also, I’d rather have porn banned than tiktok.
Both should be legal and the right wants to ban both.
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"Both should be legal and the right wants to ban both."
Wrong. Biden is the one who banned tiktok. Not trump
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He banned it because the right wanted to ban TikTok.  It's like getting angry at Biden for deporting people; he only did that to try and appease the MAGA crowd (which is impossible for Biden to do).
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You’re proving my point that they’re both evil. Anyone with a sound mind and body can tell they both suck. RFK all the way.
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I don’t like RFK either.  If the 2 main people were RFK and Biden, then I would pick RFK, but I don’t like politicians that posture as anti war and then want to fund Israel’s war.
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So If you don’t want trump to win, then just vote for RFK. If enough people rally he’ll win handily. 
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I can understand the, "Vote for who you want instead of the lesser of 2 evils".

If I voted for who I wanted to win, then it might not be RFK; it might be Jill Stein.  She wants a universal jobs guarantee which I think would benefit the nation.
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then vote jill stien, I like her too. For me, it’s between her and RFK but I prefer rfk becuase he talks more about the bigger issues like the border and gun rights, etc. but also has some more liberal views like the environment, but I’d only vote 3rd party at this point. 
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then vote jill stien, I like her too. For me, it’s between her and RFK but I prefer rfk becuase he talks more about the bigger issues like the border and gun rights, 
I’m right wing on guns, left wing on immigration; I’m libetarian on both.

but also has some more liberal views like the environment
I’m not a climate change alarmist, but I’m pro nuclear energy just in case.
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Sure, whatever policies you may have. But at this point, why would anyone vote trump or biden? Just go for who you actually want to win.
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With some news that came out, I think that's what I will do.