Neither Biden nor Trump is ideal, but Biden is preferable to Trump

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When there is a problem in the USA, it is the POTUS’ fault. Always. 100% of the time. He’s the commander-in-chief and is the one responsible. Not his wife, not Obama, not Newsom (not that I like any of those people).

And regarding free speech, yes I agree that hate speech is free speech. But threatening to commit a crime is a crime. It’s possible to be pro-Israel and America first. I’m not one of those nikki haley retards who puts everything on the line for Israel, but just stick up for your biggest ally and tell Iran to stop funding terrorist proxy groups.

As for the border, when people say “run the government like a business”, as Vivek said before, it means implementing zero-based budgeting, not allowing people from mental asylums, that are drug addicts and criminals through our southern border. Illegals can’t increase the GDP because they are gosh darn illegal. How in the hell would the government track illegal sales? Same reason all the crime they commit isn’t tracked. Because they can’t be tracked!

My uncle’s car was smashed by an illegal last year. She had no license, registration, or ID, or anything really. And she was let off scot-free by the POLICE. They weren’t allowed to do anything or they’d be fired. The crime was never reported. Do you have any idea how many unreported crimes there are from these illegals?
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I’m curious, why do you genuinely prefer Biden? You can’t honestly tell me Biden is doing a better job as POTUS, and don’t tell me that Trump is a felon, because as liberal as I am, even I know that the case was a sham. Corrupt Judge and daughter, corrupt AG, in blue NYC, hell even Michael Cohen. Yeah, that trial was for crap. So tell me, why do you prefer Biden?
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When there is a problem in the USA, it is the POTUS’ fault. Always. 100% of the time. He’s the commander-in-chief and is the one responsible.
Biden didn't appoint the federal reserve people responsible for inflation.

And regarding free speech, yes I agree that hate speech is free speech. But threatening to commit a crime is a crime.
Advocating for Israel to not exist is not the same thing as saying, "I'm going to murder Issac Shalom".

It’s possible to be pro-Israel and America first. 
No it is not.

I’m not one of those nikki haley retards who puts everything on the line for Israel, but just stick up for your biggest ally and tell Iran to stop funding terrorist proxy groups.
The left says the same thing about Ukraine and the Russian terrorists.  It's all an excuse for war.

As for the border, when people say “run the government like a business”, as Vivek said before, it means implementing zero-based budgeting, not allowing people from mental asylums, that are drug addicts and criminals through our southern border. 
The vast majority of the undocumented don't meet this criteria.  The ones that do should be left alone if they are crazy and minding their own buisiness and if they are addicted to drugs like weed or similar.  The ones committing a crime like murder should be executed.  The ones committing a crime like driving 60 on a 55 should be left alone.

 Illegals can’t increase the GDP because they are gosh darn illegal.
Why would that matter?  Green card requirements should stop being a thing for jobs.

How in the hell would the government track illegal sales? 
Sales tax.  Like if someone buys an AR 15 and the state made them illegal, then why would I care?  But if someone was buying crack or cocaine, then you can't even track it if an American Citizen bought it.

My uncle’s car was smashed by an illegal last year.
That person should be doing community service to generate revenue to pay off the debt of your uncle's car (and if she runs off, then she should get lashed and her sentence increased).  If she needs to be whipped to get her to fall in line and improve our infrastructure through hard labor, then so be it.  This is not reflective of the majority of the undocumented though.

I’m curious, why do you genuinely prefer Biden? 
Because Trump supports Project 2025, which bans porn (if you are a liberal, then you would be strongly against this).

 because as liberal as I am, even I know that the case was a sham.
I'm not the first person to accuse someone who calls themselves left wing of being republican, but I also don't like it when someone like Russel Brand or Tulsi Gabbard calls themselves leftist when they are not.

How are you left wing?
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"How are you left wing?"
Pro environment and pro-cheap healthcare are some good examples

More moderate might be a more accurate though 

Project 2025 does not ban porn. It eradicates "legal protections against discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity,[21][22] and terminates diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI)” and that’s just the most cherrypicked example that’s been made into propaganda. Additionally,  trump never made the book, the heritage foundation did. 

You only have one single reason for hating trump. That’s not good enough. Name three things that he did as POTUS that negatively affected your life. Also, name three things Biden did that positively affected your life. If you can do that, I might vote for Biden in November.


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Pro environment and pro-cheap healthcare are some good examples
Fine.  I'm pro nuclear energy for the enviornment and I don't like UHC, but whatever.


Project 2025 does not ban porn.
Here is what I got from Wiki:

The Project seeks to infuse the government with elements of Christianity.[19][20] It proposes criminalizing pornography,[21] removing legal protections against discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity,[21][22] and terminating diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) programs,[4][22] as well as affirmative action.[23]

You only have one single reason for hating trump. That’s not good enough. Name three things that he did as POTUS that negatively affected your life. Also, name three things Biden did that positively affected your life. 
Project 2025 has:

  1. Porn banned
  2. Trump being a dictator, eliminating free and fair elections and democracy
Project 2025 seems to be full of a whole array of ideas that are designed to let Donald Trump function as a dictator, by completely eviscerating many of the restraints built into our system.

3. Jan 6
4. Repealing Roe V Wade (which I actually agree with) but then not enforcing a culture of vasectomies.  If abortion is to be banned (which I agree with), then men should get vasectomies before they have sex (like what I would be willing to do).  Trump did not promote a culture of vasectomies (probably because bodily autonomy for me, but not for thee).

I prefer RFK to Biden, but I don't like Biden or Trump.
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1. Sorry, I missed the part that he wants to ban porn; but is banning porn worse than mandating e-vehicles? I’m pro-environment, but more importantly, I'm anti-mandate. And unless you watch porn, it doesn’t impact you. And even if you do watch porn, stopping watching it will certainly improve your life. But still, I would say you should have the choice, but with trump at least we can have a rational discussion about this. With Biden and his posse, they are crazy extreme.

If  you agree with criminalizing roe v wade, then how is that an anti-trump argument?

You mentioned January 6 and yes he instigated but he never said to storm the capital. And Jan. 6 doesn’t impact your life. Biden's +200% eggs do.

And when did trump ever say he wants to be a dictator that gets rid of free and fair elections? The answer is never. It’s a stupid narrative that CNN and MSNBC wants to push. If Trump really was a dictator, he would have shown that in his first term. He had the power to ban free and fair elections before and he did not.

And you didn’t actually give any reasons why you like Biden, you just stated why you hate trump but I debunked all of them.
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Weighing the above, it seems that in a fair world, America's most influential figures should've been split, with some supporting Trump and others opposing Trump. Instead, they nigh-unanimously opposed him and did everything in their power to keep him from getting elected. This mass collusion, and cynical weaponization of every institution the public once trusted to tell them the truth against Donald Trump, reveals the existence of a vast politico-social machinery in America.
If the above was all there was to the story then perhaps you’d have a point, but you neglected to mention the fact that Trump was the most ignorant, narcissistic, petty, vindictive, childish, conspiracy theorist liar we have ever seen run for office, and it isn’t even close.

He said he would wipe out the national debt in 8 years. He asked why nuclear proliferation would be a bad thing. He declared his intention to ban Muslims from entering the United States. He told his rally crowds to beat up protesters. And that’s just off the top of my head.

The fact that anyone in this country took him seriously is something historians will be studying for centuries. What the reaction against him amongst the overwhelming majority of people who know better shows is that back in 2015/2016 we had at least a base level of standards for the person we hand the nuclear codes to. That is now gone.
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Let’s see Putin’s history. Obama presidency, takes Crimea. Trump presidency, takes nothing. Biden presidency, invades Ukraine. Putin can do whatever he wants, but he knows Trump isn’t weak like the other two clowns.
Right. The guy who stood on the world stage and coward to Putin taking his word over that of US Intelligence, and the guy who is more aligned with Russia than any US politician since before WW2, the guy who gushes over Putin every single time his name comes up… that’s the guy Putin fears.
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Sorry, I missed the part that he wants to ban porn; but is banning porn worse than mandating e-vehicles? 
Possible, but E vehicles aren’t mandatory and nobody is suggesting forcing people to own EVs with the bad infrastructure that exists right now.

I’m pro-environment, but more importantly, I'm anti-mandate.
Most people (including myself) are.  Most cars on the road are gas cars and most new cars being sold are gas cars.  Nobody in power in 2024 is advocating forcing people to use EVs.  This is different than wanting to promote EVs.

but with trump at least we can have a rational discussion about this. With Biden and his posse, they are crazy extreme.
Biden is POTUS right now.  You are allowed to debate whether Porn or gas cars should be banned.

If  you agree with criminalizing roe v wade, then how is that an anti-trump argument?
Because overturning Roe V Wade won’t virtually eliminate abortions.  Vasectomies for men before they have vaginal sex with women would.  I support a nationwide abortion ban at conception, but that is only plausible with a culture of vasectomies which Trump didn’t promote.

You mentioned January 6 and yes he instigated but he never said to storm the capital.
Trump caused Jan 6 to happen.

And Jan. 6 doesn’t impact your life.
If Jan 6  succeeded, then there would be no more free and fair elections in the US.

If Trump really was a dictator, he would have shown that in his first term. 
I’m glad you brought this up.  The reason why Trump didn’t take away elections in his first term was because the people he was surrounded by were mainly establishment republicans; people that believed in elections and that were not Trump loyalists.

Trump the next time (if he wins) will fill his administration with Trump loyalists who won’t question anything he does.  If Trump wants to end elections, then he would do it and his new administration won’t do anything to stop him.

And you didn’t actually give any reasons why you like Biden,
That’s because I don’t like him either.  But why don’t you like Trump?  You claim you don’t like him.

you just stated why you hate trump but I debunked all of them.
And I rebutted your responses.  And you probably will rebut some of mine.  That’s how debating works.
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the guy who gushes over Putin every single time his name comes up… that’s the guy Putin fears.
Maybe world leaders are not as susceptible to propaganda as you are... maybe "OMG TEH NUKLEAR CODEZ" propaganda doesn't actually work for intelligent world leaders... 
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Maybe world leaders are not as susceptible to propaganda as you are... maybe "OMG TEH NUKLEAR CODEZ" propaganda doesn't actually work for intelligent world leaders... 
Or maybe MAGA voters are just too stupid to tell that the guy standing in stage going “duh I just asked Putin if he’s interfering in our elections and he said he isn’t so I don’t see why I should believe my own intelligence agencies” is not the guy Putin fears.

Can you name a single time Trump has ever spoken disparagingly about Putin? Ever?

No, of course you can’t. But you sit here and pretend I’m the one towing the propaganda line. Just stop.
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"Can you name a single time Trump has ever spoken disparagingly about Putin? Ever?"
That’s not how foreign policy works. You don’t just bash everyone you disagree with. You reason with them, but you’re also stern with them. That’s what trump did and there were no wars. Biden is a weak fool who bashes Putin, xi, iran, etc. but when push comes to shove, he caves in and does nothing about the wars. 

Let’s compare Reagan to Trump to Biden in terms of Iran

Reagan: Give back the American hostages or get nuked. They complied
Trump: Anyone who does business with Iran can’t do business with the U.S. Iran had no money for proxy wars.
Biden: Undid what trump did, stopped drilling oil, strikes a deal with the worst possible country to give billions of dollars to for oil. Then, he gives them billions more for free in hopes that they would become better people. And then they build terrorist tunnels and Oct. 7 happens. Then Biden says Israel committed a genocide and there must be a ceasefire.

This is just one example of many.
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"Nobody in power in 2024 is advocating forcing people to use EVs."
Actually, Biden is. He says half of all the vehicles on the market by 2030 will be electric (that sound more like a mandate than a choice) And we both know biden has a history of mandates (covid lockdown and vaccines)

"Biden is POTUS right now.  You are allowed to debate whether Porn or gas cars should be banned."
I meant that Biden is unreasonable as POTUS. Not that me and you can’t reason.

"Because overturning Roe V Wade won’t virtually eliminate abortions."
Thanks for bringing this up, I’ve been meaning to talk about it. Trump said that, no matter what, he will NEVER put a federal ban on abortion. It is up to the states. Does that sound like somebody who wants to get rid of free and fair elections? Or somebody who is a dictator? Say what you want about his ego and personality, but he’s not a dictator. 
"Vasectomies for men before they have vaginal sex with women would.  I support a nationwide abortion ban at conception, but that is only plausible with a culture of vasectomies which Trump didn’t promote."
What? First of all, it’s not Trump's job to tell a guy to get a vasectomy, nor is it his role to have a nationwide ban on abortion. I’m pro-choice just don’t tell me that abortion isn’t murder. Legally speaking, yes, you have bodily autonomy, but just know that it’s the completely wrong thing to do and that you are killing someone.
Second, if every guy got a vasectomy, there would be no more reproduction. Sure, there would be less abortions, but there would also be no more humans.

“Trump caused Jan 6 to happen. If Jan 6  succeeded, then there would be no more free and fair elections in the US."
Yeah, that’s hyperboly. I’d stop listening to cnn if i were you. 

"I’m glad you brought this up.  The reason why Trump didn’t take away elections in his first term was because the people he was surrounded by were mainly establishment republicans; people that believed in elections and that were not Trump loyalists.” Trump the next time (if he wins) will fill his administration with Trump loyalists who won’t question anything he does."
Until I hear from the man himself that he wants to end elections, I have no proof that he does, and this is all just speculation.

"But why don’t you like Trump?  You claim you don’t like him."
I claimed I’m a moderate left. I’m not a trump fanatic but you can’t deny he’s better than sleepy joe.


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He says half of all the vehicles on the market by 2030 will be electric (that sound more like a mandate than a choice) 
It’s neither; it’s a goal.  He wants electric cars to be better quality so people are more willing to buy them.

And we both know biden has a history of mandates (covid lockdown and vaccines)
Biden’s standard was, “vaccinate or test” (definition of a soft mandate).  If you didn’t want to get vaccinated, then all you had to do was test regularly.  Eric Adams did the hard mandate (get vaxxed or else lose your job) (and so did Fox News) and they both should be condemned here.  But that’s not Biden’s choice.  That’s a local government.  It would be like getting angry at Trump because CO decided to legalize abortion until the moment of birth.  Blame their governor for that; not Trump.

I meant that Biden is unreasonable as POTUS.
Depends on the issue.

Trump said that, no matter what, he will NEVER put a federal ban on abortion. It is up to the states.
Leaving abortion up to the states was a Trojan horse to ban it federally but gradually.  But this should be accompanied with a culture of vasectomies.

Does that sound like somebody who wants to get rid of free and fair elections?
His abortion position isn’t why I believe that.  His “every election I lose is rigged” position is why I believe that.

First of all, it’s not Trump's job to tell a guy to get a vasectomy
It’s not.  It’s the government’s job to tell women to only have vaginal sex with vasectomized men to prevent abortion and unplanned pregnancies.

If his argument is, “leave it up to the states”, then why not go further?  Why not leave it up to the counties?  Or the cities?  Or the precincts?  Or each individual woman?  This is why “leave it up to the states” is weasely and I would rather have a nationwide abortion ban at conception with a culture of vasectomies.

Second, if every guy got a vasectomy, there would be no more reproduction.

Not inheritely true.  This is why pre vasectomy, men should store pre vasectomy sperm in a sperm vial in a hospital freezer (preferably in spread out hospitals) if they ever want kids.  Now you can reproduce at will instead of dealing with unplanned pregnancies.

I’d stop listening to cnn if i were you.
I don’t listen to them.  But I don’t think it’s hyperbole.

Until I hear from the man himself that he wants to end elections
He said we should terminate the constitution and he has endorsed project 2025, which would make him a dictator.  He won’t just go on X and say we should end elections, but he will endorse bills with a bunch of things in them and one of them would make Trump a dictator.  It has to be hidden because otherwise Trump would lose the independents, but it’s there.

I claimed I’m a moderate left. I’m not a trump fanatic but you can’t deny he’s better than sleepy joe.
It’s better to have dementia than to be a dictator.
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Yeah, that’s what CNN will have you believe.
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You reason with them, but you’re also stern with them. That’s what trump did and there were no wars.
Donald Trump wouldn’t even read his intelligence briefings unless his name was mentioned numerous times. Correlation =/= causation.

Biden is a weak fool who bashes Putin, xi, iran, etc. but when push comes to shove, he caves in and does nothing about the wars.
Please provide one example of a reasonable action Biden should have taken but didn’t to prevent or respond to a war.

stopped drilling oil, strikes a deal with the worst possible country to give billions of dollars to for oil. Then, he gives them billions more for free in hopes that they would become better people.
Do you have facts to back up any of these examples?
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"Donald Trump wouldn’t even read his intelligence briefings unless his name was mentioned numerous times. Correlation =/= causation."
Perhaps I should use your own quote on you,

"Do you have facts to back up any of these examples?"
And not only do you not have the facts, but I do: 
It’s called history and these are all real events that happened. Google it if you don’t believe me.

You asked for:
"Please provide one example of a reasonable action Biden should have taken but didn’t to prevent or respond to a war."
So here are multiple examples:

IRAN:
1.  Instead of becoming broke and relying on oil from Iran, Biden should have drilled the f’ing coal mines 
2. Biden should not have given them billions to make terrorist tunnels and fund proxy wars
3. He should have continued what Trump started and proclaimed that anyone who does business with Iran, can’t do business with the U.S. Then Iran would have no money for their tunnels and wars
4. He shouldn’t revoke weapons from Israel and call for a ceasefire. I don't wanna get into Israel-Iran, but pretty much Biden started the whole thing.

COMMIES: 
1. He should be tougher on Putin and Xi and Un like Trump was. Reasonable but stern. 

There are not one, not two, but THREE wars (Russia-Ukraine, China-Taiwan, Israel-Iran) that all happened under Biden and there were ZERO wars under Trump. It’s undeniable that Trump has better foreign policy. And yet the media still tries to push the narrative that if Trump wins, then there’ll be WW3 when it’s actually quite the opposite. Trump also had better economy, inflation, crime, border… I could keep going. Anyone who thinks biden is doing a better job is in need of some serious help. I don’t mean that as an insult, and I genuinely want to help them see the truth.
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Yeah, that’s what CNN will have you believe.
And Fox News will have you believe the opposite.  What's your point?
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Right. The guy who stood on the world stage and coward to Putin taking his word over that of US Intelligence, and the guy who is more aligned with Russia than any US politician since before WW2, the guy who gushes over Putin every single time his name comes up… that’s the guy Putin fears.
Objectively so. Turn out that the words the MSM doesn't allow you to selectively hear are the only ones that really matter with foreign diplomacy. As it always has been and always will be. Hearsay from the agents of Orangemanbad actually works well with the uninformed plebs, but not so much with foreign oligarchs.
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Putin has publicly said he prefers U.S. President Joe Biden to his predecessor and aspiring successor Donald Trump, a remark widely interpreted to mean exactly the opposite, as the former KGB man hopes his notoriety will boost the Republican mogul.
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Yeah. We aren’t getting anywhere. How about this: 

Name three reasons why you like Biden and three reasons why you dislike Trump. Since you started the forum, I want to hear your opinion first as a framework. 
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Name three reasons why you like Biden and three reasons why you dislike Trump. Since you started the forum, I want to hear your opinion first as a framework. 
I don't like Biden, but I can tolerate him compared to Trump.

3 things I don't like about Trump:

1. Project 2025.  It's relevant contents:
  1. Porn banned
  2. Trump being a dictator, eliminating free and fair elections and democracy
2. Jan 6
3. Repealing Roe V Wade (which I actually agree with) but then not enforcing a culture of vasectomies.  If abortion is to be banned (which I agree with), then men should get vasectomies before they have sex (like what I would be willing to do).  Trump did not promote a culture of vasectomies (probably because bodily autonomy for me, but not for thee).
4. Convicted felon.  In Florida, they tried to ban felons from voting in their sentence (which I agreed with).  Anyone that is unable to vote for should be unable to be voted for.

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Putin has publicly said he prefers U.S. President Joe Biden to his predecessor and aspiring successor Donald Trump, a remark widely interpreted to mean exactly the opposite
MAGA thinks that Putin will tell them their plan. MAGA also thinks that Putin can be trusted when he speaks.

If someone casts their vote based on what Putin says, then that person already lacks a brain, because Putin's words are designed to help Putin, not USA.
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. Project 2025. It's relevant contents:
Porn banned
Not true.  This is a lie about project 2025

Trump being a dictator, eliminating free and fair elections and democracy
Not true also a lie. This is their website and you can volunteer to help them, they are open about their objectives. 


3. Repealing Roe V Wade (which I actually agree with) but then not enforcing a culture of vasectomies. If abortion is to be banned (which I agree with), then men should get vasectomies before they have sex (like what I would be willing to do). Trump did not promote a culture of vasectomies (probably because bodily autonomy for me, but not for thee).
It was a decision made by the Supreme Court and it's funny you have this criticism when Trump is being blasted by pro lifers because he thinks it's up to the stayes if they want to allow abortion and not up to the president. 

. Convicted felon. In Florida, they tried to ban felons from voting in their sentence (which I agreed with). Anyone that is unable to vote for should be unable to be voted for.
He is not a convicted felon. You are not designated a convicted felon until after sentencing and given numerous things, including the jury I struction to jurors that they could disagree on which crime he is guilty of when considering that he is charged with forgery in furthermore of a crime, it could be overturned. 

Why?

Because it violates the principle that jury decisions are supposed to be unanimous so having 4 think he is in furthermore of election tampering, 4 think the crime is in furthermore to campaign finance fraud and 4 thinking he is guilty of furthermore of whatever else, is a violation of his right to being judged by a unanimous jury and these instructions were obviously given to the jurors because the judge is unfairly biased as his campaign was funded by soros and he has very large donations to the democratic party. 

So you basically are voting for Biden over Trump because of lies. If I were you I would be missed at the people who lied to me, but you seem like a cuck so you will probably defend those who lied to you
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. Project 2025. It's relevant contents:
Porn banned
Not true.  This is a lie about project 2025

This is their website and you can volunteer to help them, they are open about their objectives. 

I looked here:

Foreword: A Promise to America
And they call for outlawing porn here:

Pornography should be outlawed. The people who produce and distribute it should be imprisoned.
You can CTLR+F if you need to.

It was a decision made by the Supreme Court and it's funny you have this criticism when Trump is being blasted by pro lifers because he thinks it's up to the stayes if they want to allow abortion and not up to the president. 
Why leave it up to the states?  Why not leave it up to the counties?  Or the cities?  Or the precincts?  Or the neighborhoods?  Or up to each individual woman?  States rights is a bad reason for getting rid of Roe V Wade as states rights tramples individual rights.  My reason for eliminating it is because I want a nationwide abortion ban from conception; not because I believe that the states should decide abortion policy.

He is not a convicted felon. 
He is and your argument for why he is not makes no sense.

If I were you I would be missed at the people who lied to me, but you seem like a cuck so you will probably defend those who lied to you
Cuck = not a right wing partisan hack to you.  I accept the title.
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Instead of insulting you, I’ll reason with you. 

I think porn is a mental illness and it’s a tool used by the oligarchs to weaken the betas of society. That said, I don’t think porn should be banned. You still have the option to not look at it, so there’s free will. And should cigarettes be banned? No. So if trump wants to ban porn, then sure that’s not the best thing. 

Regarding abortion,

"Why leave it up to the states?"
That’s the way it should be. Anything bigger, like federal, will result to a monarchy. Anything smaller, like each individual person, will result in anarchy.

"He is [a convicted felon] and your argument for why he is not makes no sense."
No, he wasn’t convicted. He was sentenced, but not convicted. If he was convicted he would be in jail, but he’s appealing so he’s not. 

Also, the trial was a sham. The judge and his daughter are crazy-left (they told the jury they did not have to even state the crime) the AG, Leticia James is also crazy-left and her mission when running was to put him behind bars, the jury were from New York, a blue state, and don’t even get me started on Alvin Bragg and Michael Cohen. Whether or not you like Biden, anyone with a brain can see that it’s election interference. 

There’s absolutely no proof to suggest that Trump will be a dictator. It’s just fearmongering from the left. I know you’re going to cite January 6th, but trump has never supported it in the first place. So let’s see; a few hundred retards vs. the National Guard, it was never a serious threat to begin with and was just more fearmongering from the left.

You still haven’t given a single reason for liking Biden, so I’ll give you some for why I like trump.

1. His economy (more jobs, price of groceries, market rate, etc.)
2. Less inflation (as noted above)
3. NO wars, whereas Biden created THREE wars
4. His Border
5. His intolerance for crime

Let alone, Biden is an awful POTUS and I’ll happily provide reasons for that too if this isn’t enough.


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So if trump wants to ban porn, then sure that’s not the best thing. 
Thanks for acknowledging that.  If Project 2025 thinks porn is bad and would want to treat it like tobacco (minus the age restriction due to many kids being addicted to it) where you tell public school kids to never watch porn and that it’s addictive, then fine.  My issue is when they call for it to be banned when so many people are addicted to it.

Anything bigger, like federal, will result to a monarchy. Anything smaller, like each individual person, will result in anarchy.
Interracial marriage is legal federally.  It also is up to each individual person whether they want to interracially marry.  Is this a monarchy AND anarchy?  Your definitions don’t make any sense.

No, he wasn’t convicted. He was sentenced, but not convicted. If he was convicted he would be in jail, but he’s appealing so he’s not.
He is sentenced and is probably going to be convicted in June or July.  It’s what I heard.

Also, the trial was a sham. The judge and his daughter are crazy-left (they told the jury they did not have to even state the crime)
That’s why Trump had a trial by jury (and the jury was so neutral that every single member got approved by both Trump’s prosecution and Trump’s lawyers).  The judge could be a communist and if the jury says you aren’t guilty, then Trump gets no punishment.

but trump has never supported it in the first place.
Trump told the proud boys to, “stand down and stand by” if he lost in 2020.

1. His economy (more jobs, price of groceries, market rate, etc.)
2. Less inflation (as noted above)
3. NO wars, whereas Biden created THREE wars
4. His Border
5. His intolerance for crime
1. The US deficit hit records under Trump and Biden.  The unemployment rate went down under both.  I’m more scared of the debt.
2. Inflation is the federal reserve’s responsibility, not the president’s.  It’s like being on the left and blaming Obama for Clarience Thomas (who was appointed by Bush).
3. 
Trump held U.S. military operations attacking Syrian government targets ( here , here ) and most recently presided over the killing of Iranian general Qassem Soleimani via U.S. drone strike (here).


4. America should have open borders and ICE should be abolished.  If an immigrant (or native born citizen) rapes or murders, then they should face death, but the vast majority of both groups (even undocumented immigrants) are totally harmless.  Punishing every undocumented immigrant based on the murders of a few is like castrating every man because a few of them rape.
5. What crimes are you referring to?  I’m a high slope guy when it comes to crime:

High slope ideology:

Let alone, Biden is an awful POTUS and I’ll happily provide reasons for that too if this isn’t enough.
You can send your reasons.  :)
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Great. Glad we agree on the Porn ban and project 2025. Now that that’s out of the way, let’s move on.

interracial marriage and abortion aren’t the same. The monarchy-anarchy definitions were to say that it’s up to the states to make abortion illegal or not, if it became federal, it would be autocratic (like a monarchy) with the POTUS shouting orders, whereas you can’t the leave the choice up to the woman because then it becomes anarchy, where the citizens do whatever they want. There still has to be law and order, and leaving it up to the states is the perfect match of both. 

Your comparison of interracial marriage doesn’t work because it doesn't affect anybody, abortion does: it kills a baby. Therefore you can’t take a libretarian approach to it.

Now, regarding the Trump verdict: 

The jury actually was corrupt (and was influenced by Judge Merchan) because he told them ‘that they don’t have to name the crime they are convicting trump of.’ That’s corruption in and of itself. His daughter is a wacko pinko and so were Alvin Bragg and Leticia James who you forgot to mention as well. It’s the most obvious case of election interference I’ve seen in my entire lifetime.

As for Jan. 6: does “stand down and stand by” sound anything like “storm the capitol, end free and fair elections, and make me a dictator.” No. Like I said before, trump says some stupid crap but he isn’t a dictator. He won’t put anyone behind bars like AOC thinks; it’s just fearmongering from the far left, as per usual.


"The unemployment rate went down under both."
You’re twisting the truth. Biden lost about 13 million jobs and created about 12 million. Gas and Homes also both went up about 30% under Biden. Anyways, Trump lost about 3 million jobs and created about 3.75 million, a 25% surplus. Not to mention that trump had to navigate through the peak of covid.

"I’m more scared of the debt."
Me too. And does it look like Biden is doing anything to help it? no. Instead he’s funding billions in ukraine aid (which trump says he will force ukraine to pay back if he’s elected.) He’s giving out free healthcare to illegal aliens, and he’s giving iran money to build terror tunnels. Israel too but they are allies and he’s not giving them as much. Trump is an amazing example of being pro-Israel and putting America first, i.e. “anyone who does business with Iran can’t do business with the U.S.

“Inflation is the federal reserve’s responsibility, not the president’s."
The Federal Reserve merely prints money. The president controls it — How come there wasn’t inflation under Trump?

"America should have open borders and ICE should be abolished"
Haven’t you read the constitution? A nation without borders is not a nation at all!

"If an immigrant (or native born citizen) rapes or murders, then they should face death"
First of all, they are not immigrants. An immigrant refers to a person who came here legally and made something of themselves. not the illegal aliens who come here to pillage, rape, abuse, steal, kill, etc. (Jocelyn Nungaray, Rachel Morin, Laken Riley. Look them up.)
Second of all, I agree that anyone who does one of the above acts should be killed, but under Biden, crime is rampant and completely unenforced.

Based on most of what you have said, you share a lot of trump’s policies. For example, you mentioned being a “high slope” guy. Meaning you don’t wanna prosecute petty crimes but you do for the major crimes. That’s more aligned with trump than Biden.

Last but certainly not least, here are five reasons why biden sucks as POTUS:

1. He is Senile, takes crack (so does his son btw) and can’t raise his kids properly (as I just mentioned)
2. Economy, Inflation, Border (all the important stuff)
3. His weak foreign policy which not only negatively impacts the world geopolitically, but also here at home (e.g. reason 2)
4. He also puts ukraine, taiwan, illegal aliens and even israel before America and american citizens.
5. He is a puppet for the Democratic Socialists. He is 81. He falls down stairs and off bikes. 

Do I need to keep going?