Consented sex is consented pregnancy. Unwanted pregnancy is irrelevant.

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Yes it is the issue. We're not having heated discussions over necessary medical treatments such as organ transplants or chemotherapy.

So it's controversial for a reason. People don't agree and agree, looking at it as killing off the next generation and looking at it as not valuable because.... whatever reason people want to use.
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Why focus on consent? A human being is a human being regardless of intentions surrounding conception. 
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Apparently consent is important in sexual matters.
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Are you pro-choice if babies are conceived through rape? 
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Oh killing the babies instead of the rapist, right.

I'm glad I wasn't killed because my father forced my mother.
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Is that a yes or a rhetorical yes?
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I don't take a position on that. So I'm not giving a yes or no. That's not even on topic.
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What’s your position if not the sanctity of an infants life?

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I don't take a position here.

But to add substance to the topic, consented sex is consented pregnancy. Non consented sex is not.
Hope you get it.
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I do. The value of a babies life depends on the means of conception.

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@Mall
Necessary medical treatments.
Who says?

Just other medical and surgical possibilities. 


It's controversial for a reason.
Yep, people like controversy.

And people like to pontificate.


8.1 Billion and growing...The species is currently regenerating OK.
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Is consented sex consented pregnancy?
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Medical professionals.
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@Mall
Medical professionals say what they think and also what they are paid to say.

I was questioning at an extra-human level, who is to say which surgical procedures are necessary and which are not.

Perhaps you think that there is an extra-human authority, that has the right to judge an individuals decisions.

It's not something that I am aware of though.


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@Mall
Yes. 

Does the value of a babies life depend on the means of conception?


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Are you pro-choice if babies are conceived through rape? 
Yes and no, depends on how you define it.

I believe that a person that got pregnant through rape (might be a woman, might be a girl) should get $300K in restitution if they can prove they got pregnant from rape.  If they abort, then they lose $20K.

This technically could be argued to be banning abortion for rape victims with a $20K penalty for it, but I don't really think it harms rape victims by not letting them get abortions.
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Ok medical surgical professionals. Who else than they?
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Do you care to rephrase that to get a better grasp on that question?
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Does the value of a babies life depend on how one is conceived?


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Does the value of a babies life depend on how one is conceived?
No, but rape victims should get $300K in restitution if they don't abort and $280K if they do abort.  Consensual sex pregnancies don't deserve that compensation because it's for rape victims only.
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Does the value of a baby depend on how it was conceived?

I thought this may be the question but I want clarity.

I guess that depends on the person as the person sets different values which creates the pro choice position.

To some it doesn't, that creates the pro life position.

Like I said I'm not taking a position here so I suggest you digress.

If you disagree that consented sex is consented pregnancy, say so. Otherwise I take it that you agree.
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@Mall
Both you and underdog are contradicting yourselves by either saying no, or by saying you lack a position when it comes to the value of an unborn life. Underdog specifically and literally brings up money, while you invoke consent. 

I already agreed by saying yes. 
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If you say so. I don't know what your agenda is on the subject you're talking about.

Topic has nothing to do with what you've been asking me.

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@Mall
Consented sex is consented pregnancy. Unwanted pregnancy is irrelevant.

If you don't want children, don't have sex. Plain and simple.
That is NOT how the psychology and physiology of human relationships work. 
Two consenting adults can engage in relations with the proper protections and worry less about the possibility of a pregnancy.
Aside from vaginal penetration, women can engage in anal penetration if they are that worried about it. Not to mention oral sex.
But you simply cannot demand let alone force human beings not to be engaged sexually with one another merely because of the possibility of a pregnancy.
FFS, even the ancient Egyptians figured this out and created one of the first versions of a condom. 

It's just like playing with matches. If you don't want to get burned, it's nothing to play with.
Non sequitur fallacy. 

The problem is, people misuse sex. So we have all this issue.
Please clarify this and how it applies to the title & your premise.

Unwanted pregnancy, unwanted pregnancy, unwanted pregnancy, unwanted pregnancy.
Argument from irrelevance ad nauseum.

Stop making a game between yourselves out of lying down.
Word salad. 

These are matches you playing with. The responsibility is not running from the consequences.
1. Poor grammar. 

2. Clarify responsibility and consequences.

Take the responsibility not to engage. Just like with the use of alcohol. Drinking games and whatnot. So we have all these DUIs and vehicular homicides.
Again, another argument from irrelevance and non sequitur arguments. 

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You engage in sex, expect pregnancy just like you use fire, expect heat and burning.

Alright.
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Doubling down on a stupid false comparison is pretty sad and shows a lack of critical thinking skills on your part. 
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The comparison is 100 percent true that's why you haven't given a demonstration to debunk it.
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Comparison IS 100 PERCENT ACCURATE.
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@Mall
If I am understanding this correctly you are trying to say:

Since the action of sexual intercourse can produce a pregnancy, AND if you do not want a pregnancy to happen, THEN understand the science behind how pregnancy works and prevent the pregnancy altogether?

OR

Don't have sex unless you are trying to get pregnant?