BotW Mafia DP 2

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@whiteflame
Austin also takes out 3 combinations.

So, if you can gather 2 other votes on austin, sure, I will be 4th.

I find it a bit strange that Savant and Austin were pushing lynch on you, so you have that much.
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@Best.Korea
??? You're forgetting my role is literally CONFIRMABLE because I can send messages. I don't know how you can expect a higher level of confirmation than that.
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@Best.Korea
At this point, if it helps PoE more to lynch me, then I’m fine with it. Like I said, my role’s almost certainly useless at this point, particularly if scum have two RBs. I’ll likely be a target for one of those, but that’s about all the utility I have.
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@Best.Korea
I mean, this is good for you. You get to live by dp4.
I appreciate that, and I'm fine lynching whiteflame this day phase. Just thinking ahead.
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Also, to be clear, I don’t think Austin should be the lynch at this point. At minimum, he should get an opportunity to prove his role. It’s either me or Savant.
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@Best.Korea
I'm still confused on why you think Joebob is town. He's barely contributed at all and has basically been coasting on his claim (which I've already sussed). In contrast, Savant has been very vocal - like I can assure you that newb scum don't advocate opinions in the way that Savant has been doing here. Right or wrong, he hasn't been afraid to draw attention on himself.


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I will admit that Austin tunneling whiteflame in dp1 so much, and now retreating and refusing to lynch once whiteflame is getting votes on himself, I think it does give some behavioral reads. This could be a scumslip, because austin basically was completely certain that whiteflame is scum, and now goes the other way on very weak reasons.
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@Best.Korea
If you don't believe me, I can message you tonight btw, assuming nothing goes awry.
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@Savant
Let's say I'm the doctor or cop, and I don't want to get NKed... I do what scum does and makes a fake claim, which keeps my role in the game.
That works because doctor and cop are usually unique roles. If a miller tried that strategy, we would lynch them.
But we're not talking about a miller right now.
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@Best.Korea
I will admit that Austin tunneling whiteflame in dp1 so much, and now retreating and refusing to lynch once whiteflame is getting votes on himself, I think it does give some behavioral reads. This could be a scumslip, because austin basically was completely certain that whiteflame is scum, and now goes the other way on very weak reasons.
If I was scum and whiteflame was town, I would be attacking the heck out of whiteflame right now to try and force a mislynch. I'm backing off him a bit because I reread the first DP and didn't feel so confident in my inital reasons for sussing him. If you don't believe me, then can you explain what benefit it could possibly give me as scum to reconsider my reads?
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@Barney
But we're not talking about a miller right now.
Sure, whiteflame's case falls somewhere in the middle.
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@whiteflame
If you can get votes on savant, its fine too.

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@Best.Korea
If you can get votes on savant, its fine too.
What? Why would you just bandwagon whoever everyone else is voting for.
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@Savant
What? Why would you just bandwagon whoever everyone else is voting for.
Why not?

The sooner we get 4 votes on one of you three, the better.

However, voting you and you somehow being town would expose joe as scum, so I dont see why are you against it if you think you are town.
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I think we shouldn't lynch anyone until after Lunatic gets on to explain himself.

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Player            Claim       Description                           Role                 Type                                       NP1          NP2        NP3
Casey_Risk   Urbosa (female pirate/ghost)            Granny            killing/passive                    n/a
Savant            Purah (fake ID for senior discount)  Bleeder          protective/passive            n/a
Lunatic          Roham  (the patriarchy)                         King DP1()    killing/voting                      n/a
Best.Korea   Mipha (dolphin girl/ghost)                   Doc (2x)          protective                            Earth(rb)
Austin             Impa (old woman)                                   Guide              protective/redir./com.    Earth(rb)
Joebob          Link (hero)                                                   Soldier  *        protective                            n/a
Barney            Zelda (damsel in distress)                  semi-confirmable                                         ???
Whiteflame  Daruk (rock guy/ghost)                         Bodyguard       protective                          ???


Graveyard
Earth               Revali (bird guy/ghost)                         Cop (2x)              investigative                  ☠️RIP☠️


In case a lynch happens while I'm at dinner, I did some calculations and I can promise (to like 95% certainty) that either  Whiteflame or Best.Korea are scum, and with 100% certainty that the other is town.
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@Barney
Do you have any thoughts on who to lynch today? Seems like we're struggling to agree...
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@Barney
In case a lynch happens while I'm at dinner, I did some calculations and I can promise (to like 95% certainty) that either  Whiteflame or Best.Korea are scum, and with 100% certainty that the other is town.
Smh, in school we need to show our work for full credit

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whiteflame seems more townie with accepting defeat, whereas Best.Korea is very much murder hungry.

VTL Best.Korea
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@Best.Korea
The case for lynching him hasn't changed because nothing about the NP affects it. Either JoeBob or Savant are almost certainly lying. No one is questioning that you're telling the truth about not being able to use your role, so it's just a question of whether I'm lying. Killing me leaves open the question of why there's a pretty clear CC between JoeBob and Savant that will only go addressed when one of them dies. Killing Austin addresses none of the contradictions and oddities, so I don't see him as a viable target. I give JoeBob some edge over Savant for the CC. So, I'll put my vote back on him, like it was at the start of the last DP:

VTL Savant

If Savant flips scum, we know JoeBob is almost certainly town and we move on. If Savant flips town, JoeBob and I are obvious suspects.
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@Barney
Have to agree there. I'm very uncomfortable with BK's behavior here, flip flopping left and right on lynches. He also hasn't responded to my question about why Joebob has to be town... quite convenient.
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@Best.Korea
However, voting you and you somehow being town would expose joe as scum, so I dont see why are you against it if you think you are town.
I'm not convinced JoeBob is scum just because I know I'm not. Especially not with this mod. It concerns me more that he hasn't been contributing much.
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@whiteflame
Can you name a single contribution Joebob has made this game other than the CC? This is exactly how he played in Battlebots Mafia, just lurking and occasionally making a fluffpost or sheepvote.
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@Savant
I view it as a pretty strong CC, but curiously enough, neither you or Joebob seem to view it that way.
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If Savant flips town, JoeBob and I are obvious suspects.
WF is an obvious suspect now that we will almost certainly have to lynch sooner or later. Even if you buy his logic, it would be 50/50 between me and JoeBob, but almost 100% that his claim is the false one regarding roleblockers.
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@Savant
Unvote

VTL Savant

So plan is simple. Joe and Savant are practically same roles which I cant imagine both being in game. So yeah, lets lynch and see.
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Wait imagine if Joebob and Savant were the scumteam lol. Actual big brain move if that was the case
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@Barney
whereas Best.Korea is very much murder hungry
Moozer made a comment earlier implying the existence of a doctor, and BK hasn't been cc'd. Behaviorally, he's just being BK.
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@Best.Korea
This is getting really concerning. Without responding to any of my previously raised points about behavior, you decided to just lynch Savant. You've jumped from whiteflame to me to Savant this DP (although interestingly enough, not Joebob). Seriously, if you're town, you need to think about what you're doing.
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@AustinL0926
Can you name a single contribution Joebob has made this game other than the CC? This is exactly how he played in Battlebots Mafia, just lurking and occasionally making a fluffpost or sheepvote.
He was fluffposting a lot more in that game. If anything, I noted he was a little more active than usual, chiming in at various points to look more involved. I'm not townreading him for his inactivity, but I also don't see him crafting a role like this out of whole cloth or having a scum partner (whether new or old to this) give him advice to create and use it. 

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@AustinL0926
neither you or Joebob seem to view it that way
Now you're getting it. If JoeBob is town and WF's theory is true, then he should be insisting the claim confirms that I am scum.