BotW Mafia DP 2

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@Barney
I think we shouldn't lynch anyone until after Lunatic gets on to explain himself.
I agree. I'm treating my vote as a placeholder. I'll remove it if needed to ensure that Luna can cast the deciding vote.

In case a lynch happens while I'm at dinner, I did some calculations and I can promise (to like 95% certainty) that either  Whiteflame or Best.Korea are scum, and with 100% certainty that the other is town.
I suppose it's possible that BK is scum, though I have a hard time believing it, mainly because of his character claim. I'll consider it. 


Also, is there any particular reason you're still keeping your claim in the dark? You're the only one without a role claim atm.

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@AustinL0926
I dont really need to respond to every point you make. I already told you that I dont care much about in which order we lynch. Like, it barely matters. However, casey obviously isnt a lynch, and lynching joe now would be horrible play. Lynching Savant means we either lynch scum either confirm scum.
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@Savant
Now you're getting it. If JoeBob is town and WF's theory is true, then he should be insisting the claim confirms that I am scum.
See, now this is WIFOM. JoeBob as scum would have every reason to push the perception that you are scum as well. The difference is that scum JoeBob would have a partner who is pushing him to do just that. But, hey, that's WIFOM too.
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@Best.Korea
it barely matters
It means everything at this point, since we only have two lynches left to kill scum.
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@Barney
I did some calculations and I can promise (to like 95% certainty) that either  Whiteflame or Best.Korea are scum, and with 100% certainty that the other is town.
I agree, but plz elaborate on your calculations.
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@whiteflame
JoeBob as scum would have every reason to push the perception that you are scum as well.
So by this logic, why am I not pushing JoeBob?
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@Savant
So by this logic, why am I not pushing JoeBob?
Because revealing he's town means you're the obvious suspect the next DP.

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@Savant
since we only have two lynches left to kill scum.
Yeah, two lynches, 4 players. Bad chances. But as I said, you or joe are scum, so using the two lynches on you two hits scum.
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@whiteflame
Because revealing he's town means you're the obvious suspect the next DP.
Does this not contradict "JoeBob as scum would have every reason to push the perception that you are scum as well."
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I don't have much time to talk until later, but I have to say that the fact that Luna didn't use his power is surprising to me. But maybe he just forgot. We'll have to give him a chance to explain. 
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@Savant
Does this not contradict "JoeBob as scum would have every reason to push the perception that you are scum as well."
So... you're admitting that it's WIFOM thinking either way? Good, glad we're on the same page.

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@Best.Korea
That's 50/50 at best. According to Barney's logic, you should be 95% sure whiteflame is scum. We should be lynching a scum this day phase to possibly take out a role blocker. Is there a reason you're not targeting whiteflame?
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@whiteflame
So... you're admitting that it's WIFOM thinking either way?
Well at least one of us is a town member, and neither of this are buying your pseudo-cc theory. We can't both be doing WIFOM.
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@Savant
That's 50/50 at best
No, its 100%.

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@Best.Korea
No, its 100%.
It's not a 100% chance of getting a scum today.
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I dont really need to respond to every point you make. I already told you that I dont care much about in which order we lynch. Like, it barely matters. However, casey obviously isnt a lynch, and lynching joe now would be horrible play. Lynching Savant means we either lynch scum either confirm scum.
This is so bad I literally can't treat BK as confirmed town anymore. He notes my points on Joebob, then deliberately decides not to respond to them. He also asserts (without any reasoning) that lynching Joe would be horrible play. Like... what?

Notice how he's basically pushed every living player but has refused to elaborate on why not Joe. Does no one find this weird in the slightest?

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@Savant
It's not a 100% chance of getting a scum today.
Its 100% chance for getting scum in next two lynches. 100% is good enough.
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@AustinL0926
Alright, we will lynch you after we lynch Savant and if he turns out to be scum. Does that work for you?
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Its 100% chance for getting scum in next two lynches. 100% is good enough.
Great, then why not Joe first? If he's more likely than Savant, then we potentially avoid a mislynch. The fact you keep avoiding this is extremely suspicious. and just to make it clear, I'm behaviorally townreading Savant on much of the stuff he's done this DP and the last one. Scum simply don't stick their necks out like this and attract attention without reason. It reads like a genuine attempt to solve the game.

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@Savant
Well at least one of us is a town member, and neither of this are buying your pseudo-cc theory. We can't both be doing WIFOM.
Yeah... I'm not continuing this argument. Yes, it's likely that only one of you is scum. The other doesn't see it as a CC for reasons I don't understand. That doesn't affect the lynch choice, so I don't know why you're still arguing. All the rest of us see it as a CC, even if you genuinely don't.
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@Best.Korea
Why not get a scum in the next one lynch and possibly prevent a roleblock tonight? We're going to have to lynch whiteflame eventually, and you're literally voting alongside a 95% likely scum player instead of eliminating him. Killing a scum means one less vote for scum, less scum night actions, etc.
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@Best.Korea
Alright, we will lynch you after we lynch Savant and if he turns out to be scum. Does that work for you?
I literally having a confirmable role ffs. Literally ridiculous that we're letting you coast on your role to lead mislynches with zero reasoning beyond "trust me bro" whatsoever.
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Alright. Its confirmed. Savant and Austin are scum. 

This was way easier to bait out than I expected, but whatever.
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Now I know how Luna felt last game. If BK was a supersaint I'd be hammering him right now
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@Best.Korea
Alright. Its confirmed. Savant and Austin are scum. 
What??
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@Best.Korea
So...

You ignore me asking why Joebob is town...
Then try and lynch Savant despite me pointing out behavioral reads..
Then try and lynch me despite me claiming a confirmable role...
and hop all over the place to get whatever lynch you can get...

but sure, you've "outed scum".
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@Barney
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I'm still not sure who is the likely scum partner for Savant at this point. Austin's in my PoE, but I don't think he's an auto-lynch by any means going into the next DP if Savant flips scum. I'd like to get Barney's full claim (sincerely don't know why I'm the only one who is asking for it - several other people claimed to be confirmable and they have all given their roles) before even considering a second scum.
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@Savant
What??
I'm not really sure either. Just to be clear, I still see you as potential scum (or maybe verified scum after Joe flips), but BK is acting insane right now.
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I have to sleep now. Guys, just tell Luna to lynch Savant as soon as he comes online.
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@whiteflame
Ok but can we talk about BK's goddamn atrocious behavior for a sec? Completely ignoring arguments, admitting to doing so but not caring, and attempting to lynch a confirmable player? Like wtf?