BotW Mafia DP 2

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@AustinL0926
Ok but can we talk about BK's goddamn atrocious behavior for a sec? Completely ignoring arguments, admitting to doing so but not caring, and attempting to lynch a confirmable player? Like wtf?
Yeah… I don’t really get it. He keeps talking about how the game is solved and jumping to conclusions I can’t follow. I’m going to take a break from this for a bit and read back through some of these posts.
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BK, if you're scum, which is a genuine possibility at this point, then you should have voted for whiteflame when you had the chance. You're behavior is so irrationaly anti-town that it overrides whatever guarantees I thought you had before. I'm fine with lynching you first at this point, and if you flip town, we can go after whiteflame.

Whiteflame, regardless of our arguments up to this point, if you are town, you have to see BK as a genuine scum possibility. He claimed to be rbed on the same night you did, and his reasoning just makes no sense at all.

VTL Best.Korea
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I thought the day phase was ending in like 20 minutes, not in the morning. Reading comprehension. I can get caught up and use my role instantly this phase if needed. I will catch up at work give me a few hours. 
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@Savant
Suffice it to say that I’m not immediately jumping on the lynch wagon for BK. Vote’s staying where it is until I come back and reread these posts.
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I haven't read into the Austin V whiteflame thing yet, beyond kind of skimming it. But austins aggression feels very similar to both invincible and  mahabarata. Chances are he is town, I think he was a bit more conservative as scum if I remember from pie's previous game where he was scum. 
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@Lunatic
There’s no need for an immediate vote, but a lynch is happening this DP and you’re the one who’s going to execute it. Would appreciate your thoughts.
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With 8 players remaining it takes 4 votes to lynch? (Tell me if I’m wrong)
Pretty sure it should take 5.
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@Savant
Thx for catching that. Found this on the official guide, so I think that means it’s 5 to lynch.

If over 50% agree by vote to lynch a player, that player is killed.

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@whiteflame
Had some time to think over it during dinner. I think given BK's arguments so far, I just can't square him being town. Beyond his claim and some mod psyche, he's been absolutely sabotaging town with some of the worst logic I've ever seen typed on a screen. Meanwhile, the last scum is very likely between Savant and Joebob barring atrocious setup design.

With that said, whiteflame, I think I owe you an apology. I clearly went too far in DP1, and with my current belief that you're more likely town than scum, it was really just unjustified aggression from me.
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@Lunatic
I haven't read into the Austin V whiteflame thing yet, beyond kind of skimming it. But austins aggression feels very similar to both invincible and  mahabarata. Chances are he is town, I think he was a bit more conservative as scum if I remember from pie's previous game where he was scum. 
I generally dislike meta because good players (not me :< ) can easily play the same as both alignments. That being said, yes, I do tend to play very passively as scum and aggressively as town.
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@Lunatic
Okay, I was kind of embarrassed to admit it, but I actually made the same mistake as Luna. I also slept in much later than I meant to this morning and missed my chance to vote. Whoops. 

My shift is almost over now. I'll chat more when I get home, but for now, I'm heavily suspicious of BK for the same reasons as Savant and Austin. 
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@AustinL0926
It's fine dude. I let it get to me and didn't respond particularly well myself, so I apologize for that, but like most times there's arguments in Mafia, I moved on when we shifted to the next DP.

And yeah, still considering my read on BK. Going to reread his posts tomorrow.
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i was busy 
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Casey is probably town
Lunatic is probably town
BK is ignoring argument points, but he is a troll so I’m not suprised so he is a slight town. Only slight in the fact that he hasn’t been confirmed yet.
Savant I’m a bit mixed on. While I did pseudo CC him, Moozer IS a new mod, and he may actually be town. 
White flame is null
Austin is slight town. He hasn’t been confirmed yet, but if he is then we have a much better chance at victory.

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@Barney
Okay, so here's my thoughts:

BK is either scum or a really inept townie. The two things that make me doubt whether BK is really a mafioso are: (1) his general trollish nature and (2) the fact that no one cc'ed doctor. It would be unusual for there to be no doctor in this game. It's not impossible -- four people in total claimed a protective role, and if BK is the only liar, the game could have been set up so that the three other protective roles would balance out the lack of a doctor. I'm still inexperienced at this and don't know how to judge the likelihood of that.

To avoid tunneling, though, I'd like to echo what Whiteflame said. It's strange that Barney hasn't fully claimed yet, and I'd like to know his role. What say you, Mr. Barney?
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@AustinL0926
That's odd... because I was also roleblocked last night. I guess I'll have to trust you in view of your role, but scum having multiple roleblockers would be very strange.
With how powerful town seems to be role wise it's not neccesarily out of balance. Also moozer is a first time mod so anything is possible. But yeah something to keep in mind IG, as well as potentially multiple town protective roles and multiple "confirmable roles". Gonna be hard to treat this like a normal game. 
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@Barney
@Lunatic, wtf? I'm actually curious about no lynches in this game, but your proof of township was supposed to be using your power.
Sorry man, I legit dropped the ball. I took an edible and for some reason my high brain told me I had until 8pm to submit the action, not 8 am. I was too high to read 500+ posts so I decided to play dark souls 3 all night instead. I fvcked up in the championship game for the same reason and missed EOD, so yeah i'm kinda down bad rn.


I will 100% use my role this day phase. 
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@Savant
What happened yesterday?
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@whiteflame
You’re calling me out for doing this because I could have done it later… sincerely, is anyone else reading this?
Yes I am reading it. I get your frustration lol. I am actually low key scum reading savant for his logic a lil bit but I wanna read some more before jumping to conclusions. 
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@Best.Korea
I will admit that Austin tunneling whiteflame in dp1 so much, and now retreating and refusing to lynch once whiteflame is getting votes on himself, I think it does give some behavioral reads. This could be a scumslip, because austin basically was completely certain that whiteflame is scum, and now goes the other way on very weak reasons.
It's weird you find this a scum tell, I read this as a hard town tell. 
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@Barney
In case a lynch happens while I'm at dinner, I did some calculations and I can promise (to like 95% certainty) that either  Whiteflame or Best.Korea are scum, and with 100% certainty that the other is town.
I am glad I am not the only one starting to have doubts on BK.
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I have to sleep now. Guys, just tell Luna to lynch Savant as soon as he comes online.
Thanks, I'll submit my night action now. 
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You know what? I have a lot of thoughts and reads. However I am not going to out them just yet. I feel fairly confident about who I want to lynch, I hope to god I am right, and if not I'll deal with the consequences of my decision next day phase. I see a lot of Town VS Town in many of these interactions. I honestly think mafia were given fake claims though at this point, so I am going off of behavior at this point. One person's behavior is irking me and tingling every spidey sense to the point I can't justify not using my role on them. Well a couple people have very scummy behavior, but I am taking other things into account like newbieness, role claims, character claims etc.

Ima full send my role right now. When moozer gets on a lynch will be in effect. Sorry to rush the phase a bit but I can see this being another 300+ dp of town v town distraction, so im going with my gut. And some logic but mostly gut. 
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Just checked in on this thread before going to bed.  Who did you choose? Gonna bother me all night if I don't know lol
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I'd have preferred if you let town decide first, but it's not a big deal I suppose if you chose who I think you did.
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Just checked in on this thread before going to bed.  Who did you choose? Gonna bother me all night if I don't know lol
But that would ruin the surprise!

I'd have preferred if you let town decide first, but it's not a big deal I suppose if you chose who I think you did.

I did choose who you think I did. 


And this is totally me right now after making a potentially game losing decision for town. What is it the kids say these days? YOLO. 

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If I hit correctly I am probably dead this night phase lol. If I wasn't well, chances are im still dead, but hopefully it in the very least it narrows down some POE for the town. Don't be too mad at me either way, I am thinking I am probably correct here. But if not it will free up time more my other mafia game so w/w.
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Player            Claim       Description                           Role                 Type                                       NP1          NP2        NP3
Casey_Risk   Urbosa (female pirate/ghost)            Granny            killing/passive                    n/a
Savant            Purah (fake ID for senior discount)  Bleeder          protective/passive            n/a
Lunatic          Roham  (the patriarchy)                         King DP1()    killing/voting                      n/a
Best.Korea   Mipha (dolphin girl/ghost)                   Doc (2x)          protective                            Earth(rb)
Austin             Impa (old woman)                                   Guide              protective/redir./com.    Earth(rb)
Joebob          Link (hero)                                                   Soldier  *        protective                            n/a
Barney            Zelda (damsel in distress).                  Mafia RB.        Manipulative                      BK/WF
Whiteflame  Daruk (rock guy/ghost)                         NK Magnet?    protective                          Auto(rb). <- needs new role link


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Earth               Revali (bird guy/ghost)                         Cop (2x)              investigative                  ☠️RIP☠️


So calculations…

5 protective roles is too many. I am most distrusting of the doctor, since those often work alone, so balance issues.
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3 reported role blocks.
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X_1

I can only roleblock scum
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I targeted  whiteflame and Best.Korea
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Whiteflame and best both reported being roleblocked
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X_2

Earth was nightkilled
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X_3

∏X_i = either whiteflame or Best.Korea is guilty

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So two roleblocks had to be from mafia.

Austin could be lying about being RBed, but that’s a complication to review later.

Assuming mafia could perform two role blocks, it’s really doubtful they’d pick the exact same two as me.
It’s even more doubtful that they could perform three.
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@Casey_Risk
BK is wholly unpredictable. It seriously gets randomized every game… 

Whiteflame makes almost the exact same plays if town or scum.

All other things being equal, if I were to lose to either of them, I’d rather it be whiteflame.
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@Barney
Ey yo, what is your role exactly? When did you claim to be roleblocked?