㊙️ THE STRONGEST ARGUMENT FOR ATHEISM (TSAFA)

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@Shila
So the Prophet Mohammad used the transcribed version of the Quran read to him by many scribes. But never read the Quran directly.
- He (pbuh) did not "use" it. He (pbuh) himself is the author. The Quran (literally The Recitation) is the spoken words recited by the beloved Prophet (pbuh) in formal prayer & revised in the Last Recitation (the year of his death). Particularly, he recited it to his companions for memorization, who recited it back to him for confirmation (Oral Quran); & also dictated it to the scribes among them to be written down, who then read it back to him for confirmation –as he was illiterate (Textual Quran). The histories of the Oral Quran & Textual Quran evolved independently.

Is Jesus a prophet in Islam?
Jesus in Islam 
The Quran places Jesus among the greatest prophets and mentions him with various titles.
- Indeed. "The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allāh and His word" (4:141)

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A being is only necessary IF there is no other possible explanation.
- No. What explains that explanation then? 

Stephen Hawking articulated a possible explanation for the universe whereby the laws of physics explain everything, negating the need for a creator.
- Wow! Much genius! Very power! Laws of Physics have no real existential import to explain jack. & even so, what explains the Laws of Physics? Or the Laws of Physics God? Back to square one. Also, that is not what Hawking postulates. Besides the fact this guy is a glorified media stooge, him a being a jew & all, who isn't respected by the physicists community, he's also a moron with some real kinks... The difference between us is that I actually read this guy's nonsense & I actually understand what he says, which is basically the following: this math equation that may explain this tidbit about observable behavior in the universe also applies at lesser degrees to other possible outcomes, therefore all possible outcomes exist in countless universes, therefore there is no need for an explanation of a given outcome over another, therefore blahblah... – I don't even know where to start to discard this caveman women-logic fallacious drivel.

Being unable to think of another explanation does not mean one does not exist.
- It does in this case, by exhaustion. Strictly. 

Until all other possibilities are eliminated, a creator is a possibility, not a necessity.
- You seem to be under the impression that this metaphysical question has some kinda naturalistic or science-ish answers. It doesn't. The scientific method itself assumes an explanation, by design. – The chain of explanation is either finitely regressed, or infinitely regressed. If it loops around itself, it's itself a loop in a chain. This always was & always will be the end of this question. Whichever way you wanna obfuscate it, a necessary being is. At the very most you & Hawking are some form of pantheists. Your issue is not whether God, as a necessary being, is or is not. It's the attributes of this necessary being. You simply do not agree with the Christian portrayal of God.
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@zedvictor4
Oh well.
I could say the same about you Yas.
A necessary being, is a solely word based concept relative to the ongoing uncertainty of an unnecessary but seemingly necessary acceptance of a particular genre of  unverifiable creation and existence theory.
Basically a GOD exists because it cannot not exist.
Though we can replace the word GOD with any other word/s.
How about cosmic super-banana?
Of course, The necessary being was inevitably regarded as  "HIM", relative to our own predicament...
So, Mr Cosmic Super-Banana it is then.

- "The fool is he who admits the meaning yet rejects the name" –Umar. You are a theist after all.

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@Yassine
Hi Yas.

Well the human condition is such, that we acquire, process and utilise data, according to formative circumstances. (In the main).

No getting away from it.


But when all is said and done, the only difference between...a GOD exists...and...a GOD perhaps exists...is...perhaps.

Associated clothes, rituals, books and tolerance/intolerance, are largely the product of geo-cultural politics.


And the fools will out eventually...I'm guessing.

We will have to wait and see.

Well probably not you and I...I don't think that we last that long.