Lord of the Rings Mafia DP1

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@AustinL0926
Okay, this is rather boring and going very slow.  Lets lynch someone.

I recommend Austin, just to start the fun.

VTL Austin
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@Best.Korea
Chill, dude
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@Savant
I want to see him under some pressure. Its not like we are going to lynch him before he comes online lol
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@Barney
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My reads so far, from towniest to scummiest:

Lean town:
Best.Korea - Some trollish behavior, but a few surprisingly pro-town posts near the beginning.

Neutral:
Whiteflame - Theme analysis, pushing others to participate. But he's a good player, so it's what he would do as scum or town.
Casey_Risk - New player, no idea what their playstyle is.
Earth - Barely posted.
JoeBob - Claims to be a hero but not very active.

Possibly scum:
Austin - Much less active than usual, and I wouldn't have expected him to be the last to post.
Barney - Acts how he usually does as town but hasn't said whether his character is a hero or villain. That could just be a joke, but I find it hard to believe he couldn't just google the character.

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@JoeBob
Forgot to put Lunatic. He's busy with the game, but laying low is his MO as scum, so I'd put him at the bottom of the neutral list. If he was town, he might have posted at least once by now.
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@Best.Korea
I want to see him under some pressure.
It's a bit early to start a wagon. Even though I read him as possible scum, I'm not going to vote him just yet.
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Hi everyone. I was really hammered by school this morning (chem test, math test, had to study for an english test during lunch), so I didn't get a chance to post.

I know a decent amount about the theme. My character is a hero.
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I was really hammered by school this morning (chem test, math test, had to study for an english test during lunch), so I didn't get a chance to post.
Seems legit. I'm putting Austin in neutral for now.
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@Lunatic
VTL Lunatic

What re your thoughts so far?
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@AustinL0926
A hero to the goblins? The oppressed minorities, driven out of their home land by the supremacist elves?
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I guess we still need to hear from Lunatic. Maybe he missed the start, as he was online 6 hours ago.
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Vibey reads based on entrance. Mostly gut but I'd be happy to explain if asked.

-BK: town
-Savant: slight town
-whiteflame: slight town
-Barney: null 
-Joebob: town
-Earth: slight town
-Casey: null
-Luna: null

Worth noting that Luna is very very busy with his MU game (I've been following along and his wim is crazy).


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@Best.Korea
A good scum player will be watching the game while logged out, then log in when it is optimal for them.
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A hero to the goblins? The oppressed minorities, driven out of their home land by the supremacist elves?
All morality is arbitrary anyway :D
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@AustinL0926
Mostly gut but I'd be happy to explain if asked.
I know it's mostly gut, but how are you reading JoeBob and Earth based on 1-2 posts? Do they tend to post more as scum?
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@Savant
I know it's mostly gut, but how are you reading JoeBob and Earth based on 1-2 posts? Do they tend to post more as scum?
Joebob gets very nervous as scum and tries too hard to look town. His post gives me the impression that he feels he has nothing to worry about from not looking town. It's actually the strongest townread I have right now.

Earth, he posted about watching the movie (so he's weakly obligating himself to provide thematic assistance later) and quickly answered WF's question. More of a gut read tho.
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@AustinL0926
I'm town reading you for that analysis (hope I don't regret it later). Your gut has been pretty spot-on in D1 of the last two games you played, so if you have a scum read later, I'll strongly consider it.
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JoeBob - Claims to be a hero but not very active.
am at sleepover, so I won’t be active until tmrw. I mean I’ll still try to be active, but no promises 
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@Savant
I'm town reading you for that analysis (hope I don't regret it later). Your gut has been pretty spot-on in D1 of the last two games you played, so if you have a scum read later, I'll strongly consider it.
My style tends to be very intuitive in general (less wallposts, more vibes) but I will always answer any questions regarding my thought process (as an fyi for the future).
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I wouldnt really rush to put them in town pile. It encourages them to stay inactive by removing pressure from them and putting it on others.

But I think we also need to hear from Lunatic as soon as possible.
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Okay, I screwed up guys. I accidentally gave the mafia role to 3 people, so here what were going to do. You all have every right to be mad at me, but I think we can still make this work. I’ll set up another DP, give everyone new roles, and then everyone will know at least one role that was in the game, but otherwise, it kinda works out. Again, I’m so, so, sorry, but I think we can get this to work out still.
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np. Who were the mafia in this game?
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Rereading the beginning of the DP, I think it's enough for me to have a fair townread on BK.

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Well, I hope you will still inform us when there are for example, 5 hours left till end, like mods usually do.

It would be unfair if we lose because we lost track of time. - [BEST.KOREA]

Yeah, don’t worry, I’ll do that - [MOOZER]
Maybe I'm reading too much into this (Luna-style mod psyche ftw) but the "don't worry" seems to weakly spew BK as town. Only town players benefit from accurate timekeeping.

This is partially based on my own experience in Battlebots Mafia, where some of my posts in thread inadvertently suggested some players were likely town (e.g. if you reread the final DP you can probably figure out who's town and who's scum solely by paying close attention to the posts).



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Korea-Austin and Earth
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@Moozer325
Uh, this is pretty bad. Each person knowing at least one other character and role is a huge advantage for us because it allows the setup to be effectively broken via massclaim.
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@Moozer325
So I was way off then lol
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@Moozer325
Probably best to pick a new theme. You can keep the same players though instead of redoing signups.
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@Moozer325
Ok here's some advice because you need to solve several problems to get this working:

-Minimize the info of other roles each town member will get
-Minimize knowledge of the mafia roles from former mafia members
-Make alignments in the reroll independent of alignments in this roll

This might be an unsolvable problem actually now that I think about it :(


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Yeah, that’s probably best. I think I’ll just end up scraping this game, and I’ll try again some other time. Sorry everyone.
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@Moozer325
Just make a new game with all the same players. Theme can be Star Wars or something.